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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:37 PM
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Christian Dominionists Have Bill in Congress - Const. Rest. Act HR 3799
The Swift Advance of the Planned Theocratic Coup is now moving ahead of schedule. Below find links to analysis of this bill at The Yurica Report and Daily Kos.

Constitution Restoration Act of 2004- HR 3799 IH
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/HR3799ConstitutionRestorationAct.html

The Yurica Report is the site I have been plugging for it's insightful and well documented analysis of the movement of the Christian right to establish a Theocracy in the US. The movement is known as Dominionism or as Christian Reconstructionism.

That they have a law in the works that will limit the Supreme Court's ability to interpret the Constitution is shocking. I knew they were pretty far along with what Katherine Yurica calls "The Swift Advance of a Planned Coup", but I liked to think it was early in the coup. It's later than you think.

The Yurica Report
http://www.yuricareport.com/

The Despoiling of America
How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State By Katherine Yurica
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

a follow-up article by the same author:

Conquering by Stealth and Deception
How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power By Katherine Yurica
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm

Links to More Articles Revealing the Rise of Dominionism in America
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAmerica.html

More Links about HR3799

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c108:./temp/~c1081k124p

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/23/33620/186
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:39 PM
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1. Just got a chill --- this is SO possible now
that they have their "mandate" thanks to their fundie friends. I despair for this nation, frankly.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:41 PM
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2. They believe they have the support of the majority of the electorate
If they extrapolate Bush's (alleged) win of 51% of the popular vote, they will believe that 51% of the American people want a Theocratic government.

As the articles at The Yurica Report illustrate, they have been planning and implementing this for over 20 years.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:39 PM
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11. That means nothing to them
Even if they knew full well that they had less than 10% of the electorate on their side, they'd move ahead by any means necessary if they thought they could get their way. To the mind of the fanatically certain believer who's bent on world conquest, the beliefs, desires or opinions of others don't mean a thing.

It's all a question of winning when you know you're right and marching for the glory of the all-frighty. The only issue at hand is whether success is possible.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:41 PM
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3. We outnumber them, how can we let this happen?
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Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:43 PM
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4. Love your link!
I think Dems (and Greens) ought to be pushing how their positions are far more Christ-like than those of the right. The old "What would Jesus do?" question can be asked about policy, and most of the time it'd be "ABB" (anything but *).
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:47 PM
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5. Thanks! :^) The spiritual left (and by this I mean all pluralistic
religions) surely has more members than the scheming paranoid one-way-only types. We have to speak up and do it now.

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Fight the fraud; fund the recount!
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:55 PM
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6. GAH
`Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise, any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.'.

it's a little hard to understand, but man oh man....



In interpreting and applying the Constitution of the United States, a court of the United States may not rely upon any constitution, law, administrative rule, Executive order, directive, policy, judicial decision, or any other action of any foreign state or international organization or agency, other than the constitutional law and English common law.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:18 PM
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9. is that not by nature unconstitutional?
I know the federal courts' jurisdiction is set by statute in Title 28. However, that I dont think that deprives the courts of the right of judicial reviw of legislative actions; so doesnt this still have to pass muster constitutionally?
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:58 PM
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7. Really the actual bill doesn't sound bad to me - as far as attempting
to establish a theocracy. Seems the bill wants to define the jurisdiction of the federal courts - any Civ Pro experts out there that can help us out?
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:15 PM
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8. It Was Introduced by the "Ten Commands" Guy - Analysis Link
The Yurica Report's analysis can be found here:

New Dominionist Bill Limits the Supreme Court's Jurisdiction
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/ConstitutionRestorationAct.htm

excerpt:

"Although the claim by its sponsors ( http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/IntroToConstitutionRestorationAct.html ) appears to be that the intention is to prevent the courts from hearing cases involving the Ten Commandments or a Nativity Scene in a public setting from being reviewed, the law is drawn broadly and expressly includes the acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law by an official in his capacity of executing his office. John Giles, Alabama President of Christian Coalition said, "The greatest unbridled abuse by the federal judiciary for over forty years has been in the area of redefining the acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law...We define this as judicial activism, making law from the bench. These unconstitutional rulings have gone unchecked by other branches of government."


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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:23 PM
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10. The courts can't rule against anyone who sez 'God made me do it'?
That's where they are taking this to-The Divine Rule of Kings.

Read my sig quote from Supreme Court Justice Scalia and tremble.
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