CNN just aired the Marine that shot the unarmed man....

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I can't believe it! I am pissed!

[billyoc]

1. What do you mean, "aired him"?

They interviewed him?

[usregimechange]

5. No they showed the friggin video. All except for the brains splat..

[billyoc]

8. "Democracy Now!" aired the whole thing.

Showed the marine shooting the guy in the head. :(

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. Don't these people know anything about history?

Wasn't a similar photo of the Viet Cong shooting a Vietnam prisioner used to stir up hostilities?

[DuaneBidoux]

30. Can you give me the link?-I like my pornography explicit.

[billyoc]

39. enjoy!

http://democracynow.org/streampage.pl

[elehhhhna]

2. Flame away but...

... we're talking about a what? 22 year old Marine who got shot in the FACE the day before this incident, was returned to duty (might be a little jumpy?) and shot someone during a sweep. What the hell? That's war. That's law enforcement. If we're going to go ape$hit over a dead Iraqi, let's talk about the children -- that's the real crime.

[Donkeyboy75]

3. Could also be drugged up.

Until all the facts are in, a rush to judgment is silly.

[usregimechange]

13. No, I disagree, I just watched the video. nt

[Donkeyboy75]

14. As did I.

How the fuck can you tell if someone's drugged up from a video?

:wtf:

[usregimechange]

16. eh what? Drugged up? nt

[Donkeyboy75]

17. You've lost me.

I suggested the soldier may have been drugged up as treatment from his wounds. You disagreed, offering your expert diagnosis from watching a short video. Now you offer up a nonsensical response. :shrug:

[usregimechange]

19. So, if I got all druged up and shot you, it would be ok?

[Donkeyboy75]

20. Of course not.

But the blame should be placed on the idiots who sent him out there. The prudent thing to do is find who is at fault.

But knee-jerk reactionism is much easier. Go with that, buddy.

[usregimechange]

23. Bleep you, an innocent man got shot by a represenative of my

country. The officers that sent him didn't tell him to kill unarmed, wounded, and possible innocent person and if they did they should both go to jail.

[Donkeyboy75]

25. And again, if he was on drugs, he suffered from impaired judgment.

And I place the blame on the idiots who sent him out there. Why is that so hard to understand?

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

37. "That's law enforcement"

If I shot you in the head and was high, I would get a sentencing enhancement.

[Donkeyboy75]

38. Yes, but that would be because you took drugs by

your choice.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

42. No

I don't think it matters, Rx or street.

[Donkeyboy75]

43. You are required to notify

if you're taking prescriptions that would impair your ability to think clearly. I also find it difficult to believe that a law enforcement officer would be on duty the day after being shot in the face.

[lastliberalintexas]

27. Sweetie, innocent men (and women and children)

are being shot/bombed/knifed by representatives of your country every day in Iraq. Why is this one so different for you? Because there is a video which is actually being aired?

I'm not defending this soldier. I was horrified just hearing about it, and seeing the video was even worse. But he's really no different than any of the others who are over there- they are ALL in impossible situations and put there by people who should have known better but were more interested in higher corporate profits for themselves and friends.

But this is just one more reason that our soldiers need to be brought home. And many will need a great deal of medical and psych treatment once they are here.

The real enemies are the politicians and corporatists who sent our men and women there.

[usregimechange]

32. Agreed. nt

[usregimechange]

6. BULSHIT, they were laying their on the ground, watch the video

They were no threat and the other solders were standing over them talking about them...

[Steely_Dan]

35. Yes...But...

There are also booby-trapped "dead men on the ground that have killed soldiers.

War is war...it is horrible and not fair to anyone. This is why it should only be an option of LAST RESORT.

Having said that...the blame lies with our leadership. Regardless of the war, atrocities are going to occur. It is a necessary evil that comes with war.

This is what Kerry was speaking of when he returned from Viet Nam...

-Paige

[KingChicken]

9. Thats a real problem

If it was me I would have probably jumped too considering the circumstance, however we continue this hard-line, kill everyone approach, and it's not working. These Marines are not being disciplined under international laws concerning the rules of combat, the U.S. HAS TOTAL DISRESPECT FOR INTERNATIONAL LAW. This is only one of thousands of incidents, these troops have kill on site orders, anyone running away, trying to escape, or just plain looks suspicious is subject to getting killed on the whim of a young gun cowboy Marine. I've got friends from high school over there, these young guys just don't have respect for the seriousness of the situation, all they know is they want to stay alive.

[elehhhhna]

11. Just saying that if I sustained a HEADSHOT the day before,

I might be edgy, too. How the hell do I know if he was shot by someone playing dead the day before? He gets court martialed while Rummy gets a fully funded pension and big $$$ for bullshit speeches.

[bowens43]

10. Bullshit.

It was MURDER pure and simple. It doesn't matter that the asshole was shot in the face the day before. He committed a murder and should spend the rest of his miserable life behind bars.

[lastliberalintexas]

29. Only if Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld,

Powell and every other Bush administration official, the Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle, etc. CEOs, and the repub and Dem politicians who supported this war are there too.


Just so you know, I'm not defending what he did. I just don't think he should be our sacrifice to the See We Really Are Punishing the Bad Apples gods.

[liberalmuse]

12. Inexcusable.

There is absolutely no way to justify blowing off a wounded, unarmed man's head. 'That's law enforcement'??? Fuck. Where do you live, Beruit? And yes, I will go apeshit over a dead human being. I will go apeshit knowing one of my fellow citizens who should know better slaughtered someone like that for no goddamned good reason, whether the person be a child or adult.

Sometimes I just want to scream, because most people just don't fucking get it. Where's the fucking humanity?

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

36. Don't waste your breath...

...Of course what you say is sensible and reasonable, but again, don't waste your breath.

[kcwayne]

4. They did a segment on it this morning

and showed the film of the Iraqi being murdered. They then started spinning about how we didn't know all the facts surrounding this and needed to reserve judgement until we knew what the soldier in question had for breakfeast and how serious his injuries were from the day before that might have led him to feel like he was in mortal danger from the wounded Iraqi, and whether blah, blah, blah.

They then spun the story to how brave the reporters were that traveled with the troops on these dangerous missions.

Huh? What that soldier did was no different than what the Germans did to American soldiers at the Battle of the Bulge which gets the right wing all fired up and singing the Star Spangled Banner while they wipe away their patriotic tears.

And brave reporters? Is it now bravery to accompany soldiers while they murder the wounded and incapacitated?

And we scoffed at the Soviet press.

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7. Damn right! nt

[usregimechange]

15. Where is the video, everyone should see. ???

[KansDem]

21. This might sound like a silly question, but...

Why is a soldier back in the field of combat the day after receiving a wound, particularly a wound to his face?

Is this standard procedure?

Wouldn't there be a period of R&R?

Did the corporate media address this issue?

I did not see the video so I don't know anything about the extent of the soldier's injury, but it sounds to me like he went back into combat too soon...

[elehhhhna]

26. thank you.

[billyoc]

41. Head and arm wounds keep on truckin'

Only leg wounds(and torso, of course) get you a hospital bed.

[peacetalksforall]

22. Why focus on the guy - their actions are the responsibility of their

higher-ups. If CNN says 'reserve judgement', I say yes - find out what their orders were - just like we're not doing in the prison atrocities.

My suspicion is that the U.S. doesn't want enemy combat prisons - they are too much grief for a number of reasons.

We should not even have to be talking about this because we shouldn't even be there.

We are destroying lives. We are destroying our nation. For admitted wrong reasons. Everyone keeps saying we have to finish the job. The hole is getting deeper.

Peace has roadblocks that can be conquered, not holes that we can't get out of.

[usregimechange]

24. kick, nt

[Carni]

28. If the Marines thought nothing of doing this on film then imagine...

How routine this sort if thing must be?

That is what struck me immediately about this.

[DuaneBidoux]

31. Well, this should get at least 10,000 new recruits for the terrorists

[juliagoolia]

33. Kevin Sites shot the film

http://www.kevinsites.net/
He is the embed.
Here is some background on these guys he is with.

[mtnsnake]

34. "Nothing they've been trained for justifies what happened here"

I'm paraphrasing here, but I saw on either CNN or MSNBC this retired officer (I think he was a colonel) say something to the effect like this, and again I'm paraphrasing, "These marines are in tough combat situations, going through this and that, and we'll have to find out just what prompted this, probably in court. They're trained for all kinds of different scenarios, but it doesn't mean that anything they've been trained for could ever justify something like what happened here."

I thought his comments were more than fair. OTOH, one of the retired generals who I saw comment earlier on one of the networks was sickening. He totally justified the shooting by saying how dead insurgent bodies are often booby trapped. I guess he forgot that this poor bastard was still alive and kicking.

[liberal N proud]

40. They want to make him out as the Hero