Okay Citco then? Modifying based on info received since original post

[DuaneBidoux]

See-that's the true difference between a liberal and conservative-what they call flip flopping we call learning about the world and changing to become better.

I originally said boycott Exxon Mobil, Chevron Texaco, BP and Amoco

and buy Shell based on the link below. Now I'm hearing Shell is bad and buy CITCO (although I don't remember seeing any in Houston).

I think it is too much to try and start buying ethically for everything so I am separating everything gradually.

We just bought a GE Fridge before the election and now my wife is feeling all guilty. I told her, you can't do it overnight, and you can't possibly carry a ten page list around with you...

But you can gradually learn and change. So for this post I'm emphasizing gasoline purchases.

Shell is okay according to:

<http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm>

All the rest aren't (PS: I just filled up at a Shell station for the first time in months about an hour ago).

[VivaKerry]

1. I hear you, but instead of buying NEW items,

buy used. The companies don't get anything if you buy used!!!

Seems to be the best way to boycott ALL US corporations.

Gas, can't buy that used.... I will have to look into shell, but seems I recall dutch royal/shell being a pretty evil company.

[DuaneBidoux]

9. Well, check out my link...that's all I'm going by

I think Royal Dutch Shell has been the ONLY oil company trying not to suppress scientific findings concerning global warming, and in fact they now have in their mission statement a phrase saying they are concerned and intend to move into renewable and other energy sources.

But, I think it is going to be impossible to find a corporation on some level that hasn't done malevolent deeds. It is always going to be the least of the evils you can choose.

[Racenut20]

2. Shell

Comes to Tampa via pipeline from Louisanna. Also, I think Quick Trip, Caseys, etc in the mid west comes from Oklahoma via pipeline to Kansas City and other places. It is mostly from Phillips.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

3. CITGO (Venezuelan National Oil) is the way to go

cheap too.

[bullimiami]

6. where do you find info that citgo

is using venezuelan oil seperate from other companies?

or are you saying they are interconnected entities?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

10. Here

About one-third of Venezuela's refined product exports, such as reformulated gasoline, are sold to the United States, where they are distributed mainly by Tulsa-based CITGO, PdVSA's wholly-owned U.S. refining and marketing subsidiary... http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/venez.html

[AP]

14. Citgo is owned by Venezuela. They use profits to build schools and hos-

pitals and to pay employees good wages.

[Eloriel]

7. Thank you -- that's what I'd heard (from DUer buycitgo) --

would love more info about that, but in the meantime....

[Stephanie]

17. He changed his name, BTW

Had some login problems or lost his password or something - now it's GabiHayes or some variation on that spelling. Old friend - haven't seen him around lately. Hope all's well with him.

~S

[Suziq]

15. Citgo . . .

is the only gas I will buy. I understand they share the profits with their employees. How refreshing!

:hippie:

[lefthandedskyhook]

4. Yes, we have to chip away at the problem

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step"

Thanks for the tip on Shell.

[jjanpundt]

5. As much as I dislike ExxonMobil I buy their gas because it

runs 5 cents cheaper than Shell and every penny helps. Also, years ago I worked temp for the Shell office and they were mean spirited tightwads. The cheapest gas near us is Citgo but my car doesn't react well to it and usually ends up in the shop.

[DuaneBidoux]

11. Believe me, I'm the first to understand the every few penny's bit...

Maybe your local office was the problem. I just paid 4 cents more, but Shell is apparently the only one that doesn't give heavily to the Rethuglican machine, so if you go for Exxon, just remember, your donating to the Republican party.

That is not a criticism. This is not going to be easy and there are certain things we aren't going to be able to avoid. MBNA is a heavily rethuglican company but my wife absolutely informed me that they have given her the best deals and she has a $50,000 line of credit with them which we tapped into last year to the tune of $35,000 for an emergency when we needed cash fast. We paid it back one week later and it cost us a total of $70. What are ya' going to do? So I told her, keep it, but let's absolutely try to avoid using it.

[auburngrad82]

13. Funny, Exxon is always more expensive where I live. n/t

[ventvon]

8. Why would anyone buy that high gas in the first place

Give me a "Raceway" any day.

Here, their gas is always cheaper than most. 10 cents a gallon difference can certainly go a long way.

[DuaneBidoux]

12. Don't know much about Raceway...

I still won't buy it 10 cents cheaper or not if it is a heavily Rethuglican contributor. Do you know?

[FlaGranny]

16. I don't think it much matters what

gas station you buy your gas in. I remember once being told that the actual gasoline in your local station can come from ANY company. In other words, Shell can produce the gas which it then supplies to Mobil. Exxon can sell its gas to Citgo. And on and on. Just because your gas is delivered in a tanker labeled Mobil, it doesn't mean that the gas was NOT produced by BP.

This is how it used to be and it probably has not changed.

[DuaneBidoux]

18. Well again, I'm going by the link in my original post.

I'm sure there is a lot of truth to that. But if you know anything about supply chain management then there still might at least be a small impact.

If Exxon sells at the retail level, they (I'm pretty sure) got that completely from their vertically integrated companies all the way down the line. The value added, staying in their vertical chain all the ways gives them more money to give to Rethugs in total.

But if Shell buys from Exxon (or some other Rethug company) then the last part of the value added (the difference between what Shell paid Exxon and what they charge you DOESN'T get added into Exxon. That difference goes to Shell. So it is at least a litt bit better.

<http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm>

I don't think there is a perfect answer. It's a little like two years ago when the French sentiment was so negative and the state of South Carolina decided to pass a law banning the state from buying French, until they discovered, right before the vote, that Michelin tire company (French) located in S. Carolina employed something like 9000 S. Carolinians. Suddenly the scheduled vote was dropped and the issue "faded away."

[AP]

20. Almost all of Citgo gas comes from Venezuela...because they own CITGO.

Buying CITGO does make a difference. Seriously. The profits go to making people's lives better.

[DuaneBidoux]

22. I'm CONVINCED!

I just have never seen a CITCO where I live in Houston. Maybe I've been blind, but I guarantee you now I will look for them now.

thanks.

[FlaGranny]

24. Will look for Citgos - there are not many in my area.

At least you can be 90% certain that your money is going to a good company.

[AP]

25. Since oil companies are going the extra mile to ruin the world, I'm...

....willing to go the extra mile not to buy from the worst oil companies.

[qb]

19. I buy gas at Sinclair stations - US, Canadian & Venezuelan crude

Not to be confused with reichwing Sinclair TV stations.

[AP]

21. Rumor is Shell OK'd execution of Ken Saro-wiwa & if they didn't

there's no doubt that a big reason why activists are getting killed in Nigeria is because the government exists to serve the interests of Shell.

Don't buy Shell.

[DuaneBidoux]

23. You might want to email that info to the link I gave you.

I am not an authority and had no knowledge. Apparently from what another poster (or you?) were saying, CITCO is good. Maybe you can compile all that and get it to that website that I linked. If true, they would surely wish to know. Don't think I have CITCO however.