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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:45 PM
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They who control the medium, control the message.
They who control the message, control the election.

They who control the voting mechanisms, control the elections.

They who control the elections, control the people.



Medium and message must be either balanced or taken by Democrats.

Voting mechanisms must be resolved in favor of democracy.

If these things are not done, not much else is possible.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:46 PM
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1. bingo
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:53 PM
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2. Agreed
anyone with deep pockets able to purchase a media group so we can have at least equal time, or is this a lost cause? Should we concentrate on radio or newspapers instead?
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:55 PM
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3. I heard a while back that Gore was going to
and he was going to name it "The Hound." Get it? Fox and Hound?

Anywho. Don't know what's happened with that. If Soros really wants to help, the biggest thing he could do is purchase a media group.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:55 PM
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8. Gore TV will debut in 2005 (nt)
nt
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:30 PM
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10. Really?
Well that is fantastic! Name?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:32 PM
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12. Here's the link to Al Gore's network:
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:26 AM
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20. It's the media message stupid!!
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 10:28 AM by Fla Dem
We will not win another Presidential election until we have as much media control over the airwaves as the RW does. A concerted RW effort over the past 15-20 years to monopolize radio and TV discourse has resulted in the complete identity theft of the progressive/liberal ideology. We DO NOT have an equal voice. We DO NOT have the "rock stars" like Limbaugh and Hannity. Al Franken IS NOT in their league. He is not hard hitting, he doesn't frame RW issues in a way that impacts visceral feelings. The RW seizes on an issue and it becomes a talking point for all the talk shows, national and local. They have brainwashed 50%+ of voting Americans. Add to that the pulpit preachers.

Air America Radio is a start, but as much as I hate to say it, they need to take a page from the Hannity and Limbaugh play book and stop playing nice. I know they are close to beating Limbaugh in the NYC market, but SO WHAT!! They are preaching to the choir in NYC.

Limbaugh rarely has guests on his show, and takes only occasional phone calls, the rest of his 3 hours is taking current issues and hitting democrat's over the head with them. Everything wrong in the world is the democrats fault. He talks non-stop either praising the RW, or demonizing democrats, continuing hitting on the same themes over and over again. Hannity is very similar except he does take some phone calls and has guests. But his guests are just as hard hitting, and they parrot the same talking points and themes. They and other RW shills take audio clips of Dem politicians and play just enough to skew the message and then harp on it continuously. They play fast and loose with facts, spinning them just enough to undermine and demean our positions, and put fear into the hearts of the heartland.

Themes: elite liberal media, main stream media, Massachusetts liberal, soft on defense, flip-flopper, tax and spend, Teddy{hic}Kennedy, FemmeNazis, tree huggers, Hillary Care, Environmental wackos, etc. Continually used over and over again.

I live in NE Florida. The only 2 AM stations I can get both have Limbaugh. Then one carries Hannity in the 3-6 slot. The other Michael Savage. At 7 they carry Laura Ingram. There is no alternative. Both these stations carry local and national news and local weather, so people listen to them.

What can we do to get more LW/Moderate "Rock Star" voices heard across America? Do we have any one that is as good a communicator as Limbaugh or Hannity? They need to be entertaining, glib, passionate and persuasive.

Limbaugh started this whole myth of the elite liberal media, the media bought it and has turned into weak kneed sissies. They are so afraid of offending the administration, or having Limbaugh/Hannity call them out for reporting the truth, they have capitulated their responsibilities. Except for Olbermann there is no one I can stand to watch. He at least takes jabs at the right.

I'm very frustrated. Not at Kerry, I think he and all the volunteers did a remarkable job against a very stacked deck. He got the 2nd highest popular vote of any candidate in history. IMHO I don't think any of the other primary candidates could have done as well. I think only if he had Clark on the ticket would he have had a better chance, because of the terrorism issue. Unless this administration severely screws up over the next 4 years, we will have another uphill battle in 2008, regardless who is running.

We have to have strong voices out there hitting back 12 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Until we do we will not overcome
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:37 PM
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4. Absolutely....
We've been talking about this until we're blue in the face, but we (liberals, progressives, even rational moderates) still have no real mainstream media outlet to rival the constant onslaught of Fox news and 24/7 hate radio.
If we had one tv outlet, can you IMAGINE what this vote fraud story would be like?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:56 PM
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6. I've wondered if perhaps the Sundance Channel could do a "progressive"
type news show.

They televised Franken's radio show prior to the election and had LOADS of progressive documentaries.

Maybe we could link up Redford, Soros, and Gore?

I can dream, can't I?
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:02 AM
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15. If you can dream it, you can do it.
I think it's a fabulous idea.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:43 PM
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5. this too will come after the collapse of the BFEE
the german media lied for Hitler to the very end, when they could no longer keep reality at bay. The same thing will happen this time around.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:49 PM
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7. Yeah
I keep reading and watching and thinking "this house of cards is too big and too fragile and built on sand. Gonna fall."

Betcha.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:56 PM
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9. If George Soros bought Diebold, then
Congress would immediately pass voter-verified paper ballot legislation.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:31 PM
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11. ROFL
no SHIT. Please, Mr. Soros? We need our democracy back!

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hyperium Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:40 PM
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13. Gore's channel isn't supposed to be political
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 11:41 PM by hyperium
I can't remember what the address is, but someone posted the address to the channel's website a month or two ago when I was still lurking. It clearly stated the channel wasn't supposed to be political.

Edit: Just saw that someone posted the link. It's in the FAQ.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:46 PM
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14. It sure doesn't look conservative though.
I get the feeling they are SAYING it isn't political. I mean, why get the hornet's nest all stirred up? Looks like it will be widely available and liberals will find it quickly enough. Then start a few news shows on it and blam you got the right screaming and crying like a bunch of babies that we have ONE network when they have.....all the rest.

Looking forward to this!

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hyperium Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:07 AM
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17. I hope so
And besides, young people tend to be liberal. It seems that way to me, at least. I and all of my friends are very liberal (I'm 19).
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:04 AM
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16. If it is different than corporate-media,
and youth oriented, then they never have to mention politics, and it will still be a political force.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:43 AM
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18. Hi hyperium!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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ventvon Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:14 AM
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19. Former CIA Director William Colby
"The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."

Who owns the CIA?

The Government, so in other words, the "GOVERNMENT" owns everyone of any significance in the major media.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:27 AM
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21. and who owns the government?
so there.
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ventvon Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:28 AM
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22. The same crooks who own both parties
There
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