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displacedyankeedem Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:18 AM
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Warner/Bayh 2008 ?
Strengths: A popular Southern Governor from a winnable purple state teamed with a popular former Midwestern Governor turned Senator from a solid red state, but who would shore up IA, MN, WI, PA, and MI early in the game, plus strengthen our chances in Ohio. Bayh also brings foreign policy cred to the ticket, while Warner can pull in the economically conservative but socially liberal swing suburban voters.

Weaknesses: Warner will only have one term (albeit an extremely successful one) under his belt. Bayh probably doesn't buy you IN, although he probably forces the GOP to actually spend money there.

Thoughts?
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:20 AM
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1. A one-term Governor...
on the top of the ticket, with a two-term former governor, two-term senator on the BOTTOM of the ticket?

That will never fly, I'm afraid.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:14 AM
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15. Wasn't Jimmy Carter A One Term Governor?
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:21 AM
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2. Bayh/Warner...
Bayh is the more experienced on the national stage...

but naming a ticket now is silly - I'd like to see Bayh and Warner duke it out in the primaries along with Edwards, Clark, and others.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:22 AM
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3. I guess you want to move the majority of Dems to the P & F party
No one will vote for that combination.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:14 AM
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17. No One
?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:22 AM
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4. You know what? What ever combo you guys want.
I feel sort of different tonight, like I realize the path of the party is set...and I realize I have other options now.

Good luck on whomever you want.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:24 AM
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7. Wait for me! I'm right behind you!
You guys just pick all the pallbearers you want, it's your funeral.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:25 AM
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8. Follow along, we will build within it...just another wing.
:hi:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:22 AM
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5. Obscene.
Think you could wait a year? A month?

And I don't appreciate your loser philosophy when the fact is we won in a landslide.

Yeah. Landslide.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:24 AM
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6. Whew!
Just as long as the War on Terra is over.....and McCain is not running!

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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:25 AM
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9. Why all the Bayh?
I'm not "bayhing."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:33 AM
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10. LOL
Good one. :evilgrin:
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:39 AM
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11. Bayh is necessary
he will be a short term win while we build our long term adjective. but in order to stop the far right dragging our country off the cliff we have to be pragmatic and run some moderate voices so our party wont become extinct. so please stop calling him republican lite.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:52 AM
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12. Getting Bayh
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 09:54 AM by quiet.american
Forgive my calling Bayh "republican-lite" -- given his utterings and actions over the past four years, I now realize he should actually be referred to as a "Republicrat."

I actually started out championing Bayh, after seeing an hour-long (I believe) profile done on him by C-Span a few years ago.

However, the more I've observed him over the past few years, the less I grew to agree with his stances -- especially on Iraq. He completely lost me with the following statement he made during the Abu Ghraib hearings, a statement which I consider to come from a place somewhere outside the "reality-based community":

Bayh voiced similar sentiments, saying “our cause is morally superior to our adversaries,” but he worried that moral superiority has been damaged by the images from the Abu Ghraib prison.

Bayh wondered whether “dramatic action” was needed “to regain the momentum so that we can ultimately prevail in what is a very noble and idealistic decision.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4925942 /

I haven't drunk enough Kool-Aid yet to swallow the notion that Bush's lying and swindling this country into an unnecessary war was a "very noble and idealistic decision."

Then let's talk about Bush's mean-spirited and economically disastrous tax cut. Naturally, Evan Bayh stood up and helped his party fight tooth-and-nail to defeat the bill, didn't he?

Several Senate Democrats voiced surprise and disappointment Tuesday at Sen. Evan Bayh’s (D-Ind.) decision to vote for President Bush’s tax cut proposal.

Some of them have also questioned Bayh’s political reasoning, noting that he holds a relatively safe seat in a Republican leaning state.

“I don’t think any of us expected Bayh’s vote,” said one Democratic senator who declines to be quoted by name.

With Bayh’s help, the tax cut cleared the Senate last week by a slim 51-49 majority.


http://www.hillnews.com/news/052103/bayh.aspx

Evan Bayh is one of the cogs in the current Democratic machinery that convinces me the entire notion of an effective opposition party in this country is just short of a daydream.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:14 AM
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16. I'm with ya
I don't see what's so appealing about Bayh...and I'm not Bayhing that he'll deliver Indiana or make it competetive.
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ventvon Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:10 AM
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13. Terrible ticket either way you turn it
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:13 AM
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14. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. NO !!!
Bayh is an empty headed, stuffed shirt pretty boy who is only in politics because he can't get a real job ... he's living off his daddy's legacy.

Sound like someone we ALREADY have in DC ???


:puke:


:hippie:


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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:53 AM
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18. Birch Bayh? Fuck yes
Though he's getting a little old...
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