If Bill Clinton could still win in a landslide, so could Hillary!

[Used and Abused]

First we need to acknowledge that mainstream America doesn't vote on the issues. Looks? Popularity? Clothing? Catch phrases? Yeah, that's all fairplay. Sadly, even the dimwitted Terminator could win presidency if allowed to run.

In '08, our best chance (based on what we know now) is Hillary. Forget the right wing machine, they have been frightened of her for years and its sad to see that some of our own have fallen for it! They demonize her because they KNOW she could win in a landslide. She's as popular as Bill Clinton by association. Our best ticket for 2008? Clinton/Edwards or Clinton/Dean, although I'm not sure which one of the two should be on the top of the ticket.

[Cuban_Liberal]

1. Hillary would be beaten like a red-headed stepchild.

No way she would even come close to winning, much less winning in a landslide. There is no more polarizing and demonized figure in our party, unless it would be Ted Kennedy, and maybe not even him.

:eyes:

[Used and Abused]

6. Demonized by the right wing

Most voters are not right wing. Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. -their words do not matter to typical Americans. Hillary goes on Oprah and is loved. That is the test (I'm sure most of Oprah's audience is Republican).

[The Flaming Red Head]

9. Who's Oprah

[sendero]

11. She would not get one vote..

... in the South and as some are coming to realize, we cannot win without that.

Whatever the objective merits of Hillary I hope to hell she never gets the nom because there is absolutely no way she can win, not any.

[Used and Abused]

12. Umm... we lost the entire south this time also

So why would it matter? All we need is for the northern states, like Ohio & Iowa, to get on board.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Because We Won

PA,NH, WI, MI by a hair...


If we cede the entire south that narrows the playing field for the Pugs to poach from the Blue States...


Look at politics like a football game... Make the defense defend the entire field...

[ventvon]

38. Nominate Hillary and the Democratic party is toast

If democrats allow the media to brainwash them into nominating Hillary like it brainwashed them into voting for Kerry during the primaries, it's not even worth it anymore.

[Cuban_Liberal]

19. They're not, that's true, BUT...

... explain how it is that Bush got 51% of the vote against JFK, and how it is that Hillary would do better? I live in Illinois and am intimately familiar with the political climate here, and I believe it's questionable that she could carry this state; if a Democrat is 'iffy' in Illinois, you're gonna see a landslide alright--- for the Republican nominee.

:eyes:

[ventvon]

35. Exactly

Anyone who thinks that Hillary has a chance is smoking something.

[Zynx]

2. I almost fell out of my seat from laughter there.

Some people here just don't get it.

[Eloriel]

29. NOBODY can win at all, let alone in a landslide -- UNLESS

we fix the damn voting machine problems. NOW!!

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223

ALSO SEE: VOTE FRAUD? What can we do? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2701028#

[leftchick]

3. things have changed ....

HAVA requires the rest of the country to use BBV machines by 2006. Happy Democracy!

[Used and Abused]

7. So I guess it doesn't even matter who we pick anymore

The paperless machines are already fixed. x(

[The Flaming Red Head]

13. NOW you understand

[leftchick]

14. that would be correct...

they did it in 2000,2002 and 2004. Why change if it works so well?

[The Flaming Red Head]

4. Not unless she has ins with Diebold and Bush and family

You guys are not going to get the support/base unless you investigate the fraud.

If it was rigged twice it'll be rigged again. damn damn Goddamn and I like Hillary!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Clinton Never Got A Majority of The Vote...

He did get two Electoral College landslides...

He got 43% in 92 and 49% in 96...



And Hillary does not have Clinton's political skills, charisma, or good old boy personae which mitigated our losses in the red states...


The only thing the Clintons have in common is a a daughter and last name...

[UNIXcock]

8. No way in hell we'll ever see a Democrat or Republican woman as the ...

... POTUS, sorry - but true

[Used and Abused]

15. so we should never try

to put forth a woman or minority? Is that the type of party you want to be a part of? Keep up this way of thinking, and we'll never regain power. I'm sure the Repubs are going to run Condi soon, and guess what? The Repubs will support her. Why can't we do the same for our women?

[UNIXcock]

17. Try unless it is destined to fail ...

... ideologically, it would be great. Unfortunately at this time, a huge majority of US American males will secretly vote against a woman to lead the country.

... just trying to be real about matters is all

[Cheswick2.0]

30. spoken like a true male

[fujiyama]

37. I don't think

his statement was necessarily meant in a sexist way.

I think it's more an admission of reality - and that reality is that we as a nation are still pretty backward when it comes to electing females to political offices. The fact that various developing nations have elected female prime ministers and presidents shows that we are in bad shape. The fact that we had only 1 female VP contendor is pretty sad and that too she lost with Mondale in a landslide (though I don't think it was because of Ferraro they lost).

I myself wouldn't realy mind Hillary. I have nothing against her but I think there is a deep anti Hillary strain throughout the midwest. The GOP has made her out to be some sort of socialist. As we all know this is utter BS, and IMO she's actually too centrist...Not only that, but I don't think she gives us a shot at any states we lost...and I think she makes states we won, even more difficult to defend.


I'm proud to say that my state has two strong women representing us - Debbie Stabenow in the senate and Governor Granholm. I would prefer either to Hillary, but unfortunately Granholm was born in Canada.

[UNIXcock]

44. Thank you fujiyama, you're spot on ...

... in no way was my statement meant to be derogatory at all. My State has a good, strong woman leading it as well - AZ Governor Janet Napolitano

[JI7]

10. Bill Clinton never won in a landslide in 92 or 96

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Depends On Your Definition...

He won two Electoral College landslides...


He certainly would have score a bigger win in 96 sans Perot in the pop vote...

[JI7]

21. yes, the electoral college, but i was referring to the popular vote

i think it's likely he could have got majority without perot, but i'm not sure about landslide.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. He Got 49.3% In 96

Dole got 41%

Perot got 8%


I think The Perot vote was marginally Pug...


So let's give 60% of it to Dole and the rest to Clinton...


Clinton 53%- Dole 47%....


In any case...


Hillary ain't Bubba...

[Claire Beth]

16. I love Hillary but she wouldn't stand a chance....

they would rip her to pieces.

[Used and Abused]

22. And in turn, she would rip them right back

Hillary is a strong, intelligent woman. She doesn't let them get away with attacks, like Kerry did.

[Claire Beth]

26. yes, she is strong and intelligent....

but I really do not believe she would stand a chance.

[Cuban_Liberal]

23. Sums up my feelings about her perfectly.

I adore Sen. Clinton, but there's no way that her nomination would be anything but disastrous.

[HughBeaumont]

24. Stop. It. Please.

Hillary 2008 would be a disaster, once again. She would convert blue states to red. Baggage galore, she supports offshoring, too polarizing . . . Stop it.

[Stephanjnj]

27. Without Ross Perot in the race

getting 19% of the vote and thereby siphoning off millions of repug votes, it's doubtful that Bill Clinton would have won in '92, and without Perot '96 would have been a narrower margin of victory for him. That said, BC ran as a centrist southern governor and competed on his own turf. Hillary would be running as a left-of-center northeast senator. And the repug negative campaign against her would be relentless.

I think Hillary would make an excellent President, but I also believe she's unelectable. With a HRC candidacy, no red state could be counted on to move over to the blue column, and several blues would likely move in the opposite direction. From a purely practical standpoint and considering the future viability of the Democratic party, we cannot afford another polarizing candidate. Let's let Hillary Rodham Clinton continue to do the excellent job she's doing as Senator -- perhaps there's a future leadership role in store.

We'll need a candidate with the credentials to win the Presidency in '08. Every four years under a repug administration puts this country that much closer to the brink, and we will not have that many more chances to prevent the entrenchment of a militaristic theocratic state which is almost certain to occur without the necessary checks and balances.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. That's Not True...

Clinton wins in 92 with or without Perot

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=1255

[DoveTurnedHawk]

28. No Hillary

She would be an electoral disaster, IMO.

DTH

[Walt Starr]

31. Oh yes. Put up Hillary Clinton, THAT'LL WIN!

/sarcasm

:eyes:

[Mike L]

32. Get real.

Hillary would be worse than Kerry. She'd get 45% max.

Among other reasons, sexism is real in America. Can you see men voting for a power hungry woman from NY?

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. Do you have any stats to back up your assertion that Killary is as popular

as Bill?

[lynintenn]

34. No Hillary

No way no time....

[leesa]

36. Not a chance. She would be pulverized by the psycho RW

This country is faaaaaar too immature to have a woman as president. Most men and many women in this country still seem to think 'the wife/man's property should be in the kitchen cooking for the man and otherwise serving the man. We are so grossly behind the rest of the world when it comes to the empowerment of women.

[JHB]

39. Hillary can best play to her strengths right where she is...

...as a US Senator for New York.

[Macadian]

40. How could Clinton win in a landslide?????

When he didn't even get a majority of the votes either time he ran???

You forget that Bill Clinton got less than 50% of the vote in both 1992 and 1996.

Hillary would do no better.

Dems need to find a more moderate person who is less of a lightning rod.

[ecstatic]

42. That was then... when people had it too good

After 8 years of Bush & the repubs, all Americans will be screaming for a change. Anybody we put up will win, granted the machine-fixing issue is resolved.

[lojasmo]

43. No way in hell N/T

[hollowdweller]

45. A Democratic woman could never win the presidency

The South is still too traditional for that. A Republican woman MIGHT be able to win because whe was a Republican, but the male Dems lose out to redneck white males now because the Right Wing Spin Machine casts them as being too sissy.

A republican woman candidate would be cast as a wise mother who turned to politics out of her maternal instinct. A democrat woman is cast as an uppity bitch who is trying to force her will on white males.