Did Kerry win and lose due to fraud?

[mvd]

I don't know if we have had a general poll on this. Personally, I think the election was close enough for them to change the outcome (states within 5 points,) and they did. I don't even know how PA got so close. I hope it can be proven.

[mvd]

1. The exit polls were accurate until..

Bush* was running. That really influenced my vote.

[Kahuna]

2. Ditto. All of a sudden since * is in the mix, exit polls are no longer

reliable. bullshit.

[The Flaming Red Head]

3. shameless brown nose a moderator kick

Of course Kerry kicked ass and Bush needs his ass kicked for cheating us out of our legitimate voting system.

[robbedvoter]

4. Technically, ABB won. Unfortunately, we lacked a leader so....

[ScreamingMeemie]

5. From February of this year, the whole thing's been a skewed mess

in my opinion.

[KittyWampus]

6. Even Without E-Voting, Consider Massive Vote Suppression

from placing too few machines in Democratic districts, to challenging people.

This occured on a massive scale in several states. This is Organized Election Tampering.

[PATRICK]

7. Lots of circumstantial evidence

AFTER the huge blank check given for vote suppression and sundry "little" things. Namely Bush's presumptive behavior and telegraphed moves. Namely the exit polls and pre election polls. Namely scads of evidence of miscounts and skews and one thing after another almost all benefiting the presidential election of *.

Namely the fraudulent coverage by the media who could not even betray a THOUGHT of criticizing or musing on the discrepancies, instead lurching via wide circular reasoning to a self-justification of anomaly by reason of sudden voter insanity.

Namely * more than timely prepared to rush the media to a concession from the oval Office itself.

Now, gathering the real evidence in the box and precinct is bearing fruit. And one begins to ask: just what does it take to render the who sordid mess illegitimate: in the eyes of the media, the government, the judiciary, the international community, the American people? The actual numbers are forever lost because the voting system accountability is not only a fraud it is in large part purposely non-existent!

But because WAPO or CNN won't justify our modest insights with the least bit of professional or patriotic courtesy do we waver and want to BELIEVE the system worked and woe is us, we just lost? We lost all right. We lost the battle against fraud, against the media drenched ignorance of a misinformed populace, and against our own fears and cautions.

In short I suspect Kerry won the PV by a- to me- disappointing 51% which still would have been greater without successful vote suppression and lost ballots. That he should have justly garnered a crushing electoral plurality. That Cheney was prepared to cheat all the way to rigging Hawaii outrageously if he had to, the purpose of his late visit to that state. New Hampshire in a fair recount should show it all, but watch the spinmeisters slide, slide away.