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lilfroggy Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:55 PM
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Members hot, cold on Dean
Members hot, cold on Dean
By Hans Nichols

Howard Dean is canvassing opinion among House members who supported his presidential ambitions — and key congressional leaders who did not — in a bid to take over as Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairman.

While some of Dean’s House champions said the former Vermont governor’s energy and success at grassroots politics and fundraising is precisely what the party needs to recover from its election losses, others are cool to the idea of the firebrand’s becoming the party’s official spokesman.

Many House Democrats said they thought a Dean chairmanship would drive the party further from the mainstream of American politics. That view was also shared by Republican lawmakers and strategists, who welcomed the prospect of Dean heading the Democratic Party.

Late last year and early this year, Dean received more endorsements from House members than Rep. Dick Gephardt (Mo.), Sen. John Kerry (Mass.) or any other candidate, garnering the support of 38 members on the eve of the Jan. 19 Iowa caucuses. Rep. Neil Abercrombie (Hawaii), one of Dean’s most vocal supporters, said,
“If he wants to , I am all for it.”

“We need to keep the energy of our young people, and nobody would do that better than Howard Dean,” Abercrombie added. “It’s not so much that he’s soliciting support, but he’s just sounding some of us out.”

But Dean’s Hill outreach is not limited to his former loyalists. He contacted prominent members of the caucus, including Vice Chairman Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), who supported Gephardt. Other members of the Congressional Black Caucus said Dean had contacted them to discuss his interest in becoming party chairman.

“He is reaching out not just to members of Congress but also to members of the DNC board, leaders in the Democratic Party and thousands of his supporters are encouraging to do so,” said Laura Gross, a spokeswoman for Dean.

“Governor Dean does care deeply about this country, and he’s deciding what’s best for him and for the future of the party,” Gross said in a telephone interview from Vermont, amid a birthday serenade for Dean, who turned 57 yesterday.

Noting that Dean has been acting as a mini-chairman for progressive causes and candidates for the past several months, through his PAC, Democracy for America, Gross said, “It is a model for what the Democratic Party needs to do in order to return the Democratic Party to national prominence.”

But several House lawmakers, including some of his former backers, suggested that Dean should not pursue the party’s chairmanship.

“There’s a little sheen off the apple,” said a onetime Dean supporter, who suggested that his image as an antiwar, anti-establishment candidate would hinder his ability to be an effective chairman.

“We just don’t have time to rehabilitate the image of our chairman when we’re trying to rehabilitate the image of the party,” the lawmaker said.

That prospect was gleefully welcomed by Republicans. “The only thing better than having Howard Dean as DNC chair is Nancy Pelosi as minority leader. They have their bases covered from San Francisco to Burlington. YEAAAHHH,” said Stuart Roy, a spokesman for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas).

Several other would-be party chairmen are also seeking the support of House Democrats, including Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, former Clinton Cabinet member Alexis Herman and former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb, according to aides and lawmakers.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has spoken to Vilsack but not to Dean. Her Senate counterpart, incoming Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), publicly voiced his support for Vilsack this week. The two leaders are expected to be actively involved in selecting the new chairman, according to leadership aides.

“I know one thing, and that is that whoever we select we have the unified support of the party,” Pelosi told The Hill.

Rep. Robert Matsui (D-Hawaii), a Gephardt supporter and current chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said Dean represented too much of a gamble for the party. “We need someone who is part of the Democratic establishment. Someone who is more of a known quantity. It’s extremely important that we don’t go through a debate about ideology.”

He added, “I frankly think we should look to someone like Tom Vilsack or Alexis Herman.”

Dean’s supporters, however, said that his grassroots fundraising prowess was unrivaled.

“Governor Vilsack is an admirable person, but he is currently running the state of Iowa,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren (Calif.) said. “Dean is ready right now.”

“I have told Governor Dean that I think he would be terrific. He has the experience of running a state. He has the capacity to keep involved the young people. He has shown that he is a prolific fundraiser. He has the time to do it,” she added.

The next chairman must be in place before March 1 and will need to secure the support of a majority of the 447 members of the DNC, most of whom are elected by region.

Although members of Congress do not have a direct role in selecting the new chairman, their support is important in the absence of a Democrat in the White House.

http://www.thehill.com/news/111804/dean.aspx
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:57 PM
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1. Well What Do You Know, Another Divisive Thread
:eyes:

DTH
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:00 PM
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4. I am Cold As Ice On Dean
He is exactly who the Repubs would want to nominate for Prez. Less not forget the scream... NO DEAN!!!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:02 PM
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5. You gettin on the fighting side o'me bringing up that phony Dean Scream
meme, you roman sandal wearing marijuana smoker.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:04 PM
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8. No, that's just what they want you to think. nt
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:06 PM
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12. They protest way too much, don't they?
Check out the enthusiastic repub quote about Dean. If they really believed he would be great for them, why not shut up and let us have at it?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:05 PM
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9. How totally shallow.
Why don't you let the media define Dean for ya?
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:05 PM
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11. why are the repugs picking our people. the DNC is finished if
they pick vilsack. sorry he is just more of the same.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:05 PM
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lilfroggy Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:18 PM
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15. Nice try
Dean would be a great DNC chairman. And hopefully he'd be able to stop Clark from being nominated.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:52 PM
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29. I think Dean would be GREAT as head of the DNC
And I think Clark would be GREAT as our candidate in 2008.

And I think it's unproductive to be negative against any particular Democrat at every possible opportunity. We don't need to be stirring up divisions right now.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:58 PM
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2. It looks like it will be a showdown between Dean and Vilsack
and I agree with those who say that Vilsack already has a full time job as Governor of Iowa. The DNC deserves to be a full time position too.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:07 PM
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13. I don't think I want it to be Dean..
But, you make a good point about the Governor of Iowa being a full time job.

We need someone with the time and energy to devote to the chairmanship..FULL TIME!
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:59 PM
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3. Alexis Herman
hmm. African American women. Labor Secretary for President Clinton. She would be a very interesting choice.
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:28 PM
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18. She was also Ron Brown's right hand when he was DNC Chair
She'd be fantastic.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:31 PM
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20. I forgot about that
She would be outstanding. Brown was a great DNC Chair.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:03 PM
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6. And your point is?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:04 PM
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7. The "mainstream" as the media describes
it is not somewhere where I want to be.

Dean is too good to be the DNC chairman..I like him in his role as the head of DFA..he will get much more accomplished in turning Hypocracy into Democracy.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:11 PM
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14. Hmmmmmm
These comments are quite interesting. And very familiar too. Seems these are the very SAME things we heard about who should run against Bush. And well, we all see how that turned out don't we. But hey, these people are the " Democratic Party Establishment" and we need someone from that same "establishment". Because I mean after all, they have done so well in the past right?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:26 PM
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16. As far as I'm concerned, Howard Dean is the Chairman of ...
the Democratic Wing of the Deocratic Party (the Progressive Wing), and it is called Democracy for America (and I'm a member). The Establishment needs to realize something - they will be dealing with Howard Dean, and I suggest they do it respectfully, or they will lose some of their base. They can ill afford to lose that right now.

That scream story was the biggest bunch of baloney I've ever seen. Pleeeezzzz.... the guy energizes the party like it has never been energized before. Make a spot for him. And better find a way to integrate Kucinich and Clark into the mix too.
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:30 PM
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19. There are plenty of REAL Democrats who don't think Dean is the second
coming. And many of us are even more turned off by his supporters' insistence that he is the one and only true savior our party has. I have no problem with different opinions - but I don't want Dean shoved down my throat or to have to listen to endless lectures about why Dean is the only politician who can save us.

Dean is a good man, a talented politician. But he is not the end-all and be-all of American Democratic politics.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:37 PM
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24. Thank YOU! Well Said!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:27 PM
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17. ???? Kerry was to the left of Dean, even Dean said this?
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:40 PM
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27. During the primaries
when reporters questioned whether Dean was too liberal. He would then point to his record on guns.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:35 PM
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21. I think Dean is too far ahead of his time. The country is just not ready
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 11:42 PM by Quixote1818
for Dean yet and in that respect he would not be beneficial for the party at this time. It would be like running Thomas Jefferson during the Spanish Inquisition. Their is Dean and then their is Dean. Dean is perfect.
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:37 PM
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23. Yes, yes. Dean is God
And the rest of us are just too backward to realize it.

Thank you for enlightening us.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:38 PM
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25. You didn't catch my sarcasm I take it?
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:39 PM
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26. Apparently not
:spank:
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:43 PM
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28. I changed my message. It didn't read like I thought it would. Sorry.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:36 PM
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22. Gov. Dean should be vice chair. I don't know if that seat exists, but
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 11:46 PM by w4rma
he should be vice chair. Give the chair to someone who hasn't been smeared all to heck. Let Gov. Dean do the hard work with real power from a vice chair position. We Dems will know whose really in charge. The Repug base won't figure it out unless they also figure out that Cheney is in charge of our country right now and not Bush who is just a figurehead.

Sorta like how the Governorship and Lt. Governorship work in Texas where the Lt. Governor has all the power and the Governor is a figurehead (Repugs will never be able to explain this to their base without harming their opinion of Bush). Besides, Vislack would have to share his duties with governing his own state. Gov. Dean can do this full time and has an AWESOME work ethic.

Easy fix. Everybody is satisfied.
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