What can we reasonably expect from the fraud investigations?

[Nag Champa]

I'm not trying to pick a fight here...I just don't understand something.

When all is said and done, if there is absolute proof that the election was tampered with, then what?

The House, the Senate, and the Supreme Court are all in bed with this bunch... so I am having a hard time believing they would do anything about it. The media (except "Da Man" Olbermann) is totally spineless...hell, they didn't even have the cajones to question the invasion of Iraq. So who do we have?

What is the best course of action if these groups all stiff us? Checks and balances seem worthless when they are all on one team.

What am I missing?

[whistle]

1. Nothing but a rubber stamp of the process and a recommendation...

...to do better next election.

[TwentyFive]

2. Fraud is something that should be covered up & forgotten

Don't want to be called a sore loser, you know.

[pnutchuck]

3. Maybe we can all chip in and hire a real leader

Like Dean or Bill Maher, someone that won't take any shit and never back down. Hire some real pit bull to be our front man, kick the DCCC leadership right out on their asses and give all of our support to the guy that WE decide on to lead our party.

[damntexdem]

4. It will probably not be allowed to affect George's coronation.

But it's still important to put on the record the depths of depravity to which his minions have stooped.

[willysnout]

5. I Can Tell What I'd Like To See

1. A single clearinghouse from those who allege vote fraud. Put it on the web, and make it clear, concise and understandable.

2. Agitate for paper trails.

3. Agitate for uniform voting procedures in federal elections.

4. Institute touch-tone absentee voting with a paper trail.

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What will we see? Nothing useful is my guess.

[Solitaire]

6. at the risk of sounding "crazy"...

If they prove fraud, there should be another election.

Why should we, the American people, settle for a fixed election?

:P

[willysnout]

15. Read the constitution

and you'll see that another election ain't in the cards no matter what

[mseang]

7. Long court battle...

if for some reason the Ohio vote count reverses the decision. He who shouldn't be named will fight to the death if he has a chance of losing.

[eleny]

8. Ammunition that helps get reforms in our states

If nothing else, we'll have a cleaner election process in the future. Uniform counting processes within states, printers attached to e-voting machines and some sort of oversite of paper ballot tabulators.

If you don't have proof of fraud or disenfranchisment, there's no hope for reforms. You have to start somewhere.

[Nag Champa]

12. I hope you are right, Eleny.

If we could restore some degree of integrity to future elections, it would go a long way in starting to correct our current course towards disaster.

I wonder sometimes if the goal all along wasn't twofold: To steal this one and to convince more people that voting doesn't matter so they will go back to sleep.

[eleny]

14. I have no doubt that you're right

But it won't deter me. After all, there's another truth - we outnumber the wingnuts in America. :)

[brainshrub]

9. Nothing. Maybe a movie or documentary 20 years from now.

It's so depressing that I sometimes want to cry.

[Stephanie]

10. If there was vote tampering then it is a criminal matter, is it not?

I would expect to see a criminal investigation, and then I would look to see how high up it goes.

[Q3JR4]

11. You can expect absolutely nothing.

Through manipulation of the election results, Bush has his election. Through manipulation of the polls Bush has his mandate.

The Democrats, if the last four years are any indication, will roll over and take it without comment. Our democracy is dead if we leave it up to our current "leaders."



WE must organize massive economic boycotts of all conservative organizations that contributed to the destruction of this nation's nobel institutions. WE need to organize nationwide peaceful sit-ins in each capitol city. If that doesn't work then WE must organize massive protests in swing states and in Washington D.C. WE must be ready to march through the streets, to make OUR voices heard, to riot if necessary.

WE must stand with our brothers and sisters in this fight, and never let them take the fall alone.

Finally, if the government becomes even more of a fascist state, WE may have to do the unthinkable.

13. No justice

I am not a lawyer but it seems to me they have already created around 3 years the BBV machines and in order for a fraud to happen usually the fraudsters create the fraud so that it cannot be detected, or the fraud cannot be detected until many years later.

And the fraud has to appear to be something but in reality it is not what it appears to be.

For example, the Republican Taliban created a voting technology so that people can vote. Well that much is true people can vote on it, but they created a technology that makes it next to impossible to detect fraud, so the Republican Taliban assume that if it's next to impossible to detect fraud in the machines then they must be fraud proof.

But actually the exact opposite is the truth because the fraud is next to impossible to detect that fraud can occur as well as mistakes.

In other words the BBV machines are junk technology, that they would usually send to 4th world countries, but when the cold war stopped they now want to turn the U.S.A. into the 4th world country so now we have BBV machines that cannot detect fraud and that can be manipulated to create mistakes that make the counting of the vote on the BBV machines not accurate.

So elections can be manipulated as well as now the future itself can be manipulated to favor one situation v. another.

Well we are going to in the U.S.A. live in a world sort of like where the actors the people are living in a Twilight Zone TV episode.

[The Flaming Red Head]

16. If you want to stop a raging bull you have to slow him down first

No popular majority equals no mandate.