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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:39 PM
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John
i miss him

at Clinton library dedication today
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:40 PM
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1. Me too ....
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:41 PM
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3. wahhhhhhhhhh I'm sad now : (
:cry:
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:41 PM
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2. Yeah,
just where the hell is he?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:42 PM
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4. Where is he? In the Senate.
Where he was one of the few Senators to vote against increasing the level of the deficit to $8 trillion. Keep fightin'!
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:43 PM
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5. Me too! I wanted so much for him to be President.
:cry:
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:44 PM
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Wanker. He sold us all up the river.
I understand that he has millions of dollars left over from the campaign that he could be using to fund re-counts & trigger investigations.

He should be busy defending Democracy, not going to photo-ops.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:53 PM
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10. I think if he started spending money on recounts
the media would pick up the story, and any hope we have of proving the election was stolen would be shot. If he had put money in right away, those tapes Bev found in Florida would've been thrown out long ago. Its best that he just stays out of it, at least until we have some proof.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:07 PM
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13. Good point. Those poll tapes would have been shredded by Nov. 4.
.
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:28 PM
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17. Sigh - please, please learn something about elections laws and processes
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 05:29 PM by ohioan
before beating up on Kerry for not doing what you think he should be doing.

First - In most states - including Ohio - recounts cannot even be requested until the vote count is certified. The counting has not even been COMPLETED, much less certified, so Kerry CANNOT request a recount right now.

Second - investigations are taking place even as we speak. But investigations are just that - INVESTIGATIONS. They are not (or should not be) public floggings or opportunities for grandstanding - Kerry's lawyers and others are gathering information, taking testimony, studying the facts, and watching the count. Why do people assume that unless Kerry is giving them a blow-by-blow rundown of every move that's taking place, nothing is happening that, therefore, he should be subjected to non-stop tearing down by his own party.

Damn!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:59 PM
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25. Thanks. I've read your many posts. Whoever is sabotaging Kerry in the
party by making these anonymous press releases has an ulterior motive.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:17 PM
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37. I agree with you about the party sabotage.
Also want to remind folks that Gore donated the leftover millions he had from '00 to either Kerry or the DNC. It's all for the cause.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:10 PM
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60. I suspect someone wants to make sure he never ever runs again
I think he scares them witless.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:30 PM
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67. Yep, the sad thing is, the dems that have survived will begin to
mesh into repuke lites out of fear, some of those that lost that know nothing besides politics will grab on to the repuke coat tails. I suspect that the repukes will take advantage of this to further hurt the party by disrupting from within.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:13 PM
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35. Thank you ohioan - thank you for being the voice of reason.
fyi - AAR news just said that Kerry has promised to use the $15 (all or party, unsure) to help democratic candidates now and in 2006.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:52 AM
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83. Please make a copy of what you just wrote. You'll use it a lot these days.
Unfortunately.

I've been saying much the same as you, but it falls on many deaf ears. For some reason, people confuse investigating 'under the radar' with making a major announcement in the press.

I'll say it again. And again and again and...., etc. "Yee-hah" and "Bring It On!" are NOT workable strategies in an investigation. You do NOT challenge those you're investigating by making a major announcement about your intentions, especially when the MSM is in the pocket of your suspects. Sheesh. :eyes:

The dates for the Electoral College and inauguration have not changed. The silence from the campaign has not changed the counting and, in NH, the recounting process. Nothing would be gained by a major Kerry challenge at this point, other than a brutal MSM bloodfest with John Kerry as the target. Right now, though, there is calm. There is quiet. There is counting going on. Relax and let the process continue.

Keep preachin' the truth, ohioan. I'll do the same. :toast:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:48 PM
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22. You do not know what he is or isn't doing, do you?
Blaming Kerry for the theft of the election is wrong. He is a victim too. His interview gave me the impression he is ensuring that the votes are being counted and that the 2004 election is not over yet.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:04 PM
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28. So what are the lawyers being paid with in Ohio
Peanuts?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:52 PM
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56. And why is Bev Harris doing all the work?
Why didn't Kerry shell out the money for the re-count? Why weren't the lawyers trained to spot fraud? Why didn't Kerry at least demand for every vote to be counted. (Like he said he would.)
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:42 AM
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71. NO one has shelled out a dime for a recount yet...
No recount has been requested in Ohio by anyone since the law does not provide for recounts at this point.

And the lawyers are working their asses off. Contrary to what you seem to believe, cases aren't won by running to court screaming "FRAUD!" on day one before any evidence is collected. Proving fraud is more than just "spotting" it. It has to be documented, incidents have to be reviewed, documentation has to be gathered and verified.

I guess you also didn't know that Kerry's people are watching the official count like hawks.

And, you probably also didn't know about the lawsuit going on right now in Ohio.

And Kerry doesn't have to demand every 15 minutes that every vote be counted. He's already done that and now the counting is in progress. When it's done, it will be clear whether votes were properly counted or not and, if they weren't, there are steps to be taken.

I'm sure you mean well, but you obviously don't know squat about how this works. Perhaps you should do some research before attacking Kerry for not performing the way you think he should in a process that you clearly know little about.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:29 AM
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88. Don't we have to COUNT before we can REcount???
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:13 PM
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89. Details, details . . .
They just get in the way of an uninformed rant.
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:42 AM
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72. LOL! I thought you were going to say, "SPITBALLS?!"
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:04 AM
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77. Several have posted here and said most are volunteers.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:17 PM
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98. Yeah, and what happened to counting all the votes?
before conceding?
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:44 PM
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6. I couldn't even watch it.
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 04:44 PM by coloradodem2005
I have been more or less unplugging politically. Other than being here and attending a reception for Ken Salazar on Sunday. I feel so empty. In some ways this thread reminded me of that. Because he said "Help is on the way." And then we found out it wasn't. I don't blame him for this. I think he did nearly everything that he could. It just wasn't enough. :cry:
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Miami Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:46 PM
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7. Seeing him there made me so sad
:cry:
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:46 PM
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8. He's not gone
I think we'll see a lot more of JK over the next few years. His speech on CSPAN yesterday was just the start.

I think we may see a President Kerry in our lifetimes. Or at least Secretary of State Kerry.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:52 PM
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9. Under an Al Gore administration?
n/t
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:56 PM
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11. Yup. Or an Edwards administration
Whoever. There are so many great potential Democratic Presidents. I hope Kerry is seriously considered for State or at least AG in the next Dem administration - assuming he's not heading that administration.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:21 PM
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16. Can you recap the speech? What was it for? eom
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:57 PM
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24. I didn't see it unfortunately
Supposedly it was on the budget and the deficit. He apparently ripped into Bush and used the "birth tax" line (why didn't he do it during the campaign?). I'd been hoping it'd be on CSPAN again, but unfortunately it wasn't.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:05 PM
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29. Early this morning at 7 am I saw it
I'll see if I can find a link to the story.

I got the impression CSPAN repeated it 3 or 4 times. Did they do that because it was Kerry, or because they always to that with the Senate speechifiers?
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:48 PM
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49. Oh, yes! I saw that on the running footer on one of the morning shows.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:59 PM
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12. Me too..
But that dosn't mean we should draft him next time. Hopefully he can become the next Ted Kennedy in the Senate.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:09 PM
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14. Awww.
he looks so shiny and clean.

i miss him too.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:20 PM
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15. sniff. . .
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:00 PM
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18. Yep, I caught a glimpse of him at the dedication today and
it broke my heart all over again.:-(

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:39 PM
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19. I saw this picture on yahoo photos
It made me really melancholy.... I miss seeing him every day. :cry:

He's so handsome and dignified... I'm with the previous poster (I forget your name, sorry) who hoped to see a President Kerry yet, or even a Sec. of State Kerry. Also, thank you ohioan for talking some SENSE. I swear, these people going into histrionics about Kerry not "fighting for us" are about as delusional as freepers. There's nothing he could be doing differently that wouldn't have backfired tremendously. I saw how the DNC was all up in his face, too - thanks, guys. I donated way more to you than to the Kerry campaign, so I don't know why they're bitching.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:01 PM
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26. Amen
I think maybe we Kerry supporters need to request a group over in the "groups" area. There's one for Edwards, Clark and Gore already.
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CalProf Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:23 PM
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65. Yes. n/t
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:30 AM
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69. I would gladly join
How do we request one?
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:08 AM
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80. I would gladly join too!
When someone gets it ready to go let me know! I think that is exactly what we need!
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Suziq Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:42 PM
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20. I Miss Him Too . . .
:cry:

Oh, what could have been. It really hurts.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:44 PM
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I'm with you
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:44 PM
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21. Bummer!
:-(
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:49 PM
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23. Thanks for the post JI7! I miss him too.
He is my President Elect!

:bounce: :toast:
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:02 PM
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27. He would have been a great President
What a damn shame!!! I never cried over any election until this year. I cried for myself, my little girls, John Kerry and my country.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:06 PM
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30. he made me weep in the70's
i weep today. i support him. i respect him
a diplomat with integrity
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:09 PM
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32. Very sad,
all these people slamming Kerry. He would have made a cool president like Bill. Sadly we may never see what he could have acomplished as POTUS. Shame on America.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:33 PM
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42. Seeing "Going Upriver" made me love him
and his testimony before the Senate was awesome. I was so disappointed when he conceded before fighting at all. I am still disappointed over that. I am conflicted between the man I respected for what he has done in the past, the campaign he ran (which I thought was awesome) and his swift concession to the chimp. Nothing would make me happier if it can be proofed that * stole this election and I know in my heart he did, and Kerry take the Office he earned and won. I still think Kerry should have fought harder, and I know I am in the minority on this. :shrug:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:18 PM
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63. I know
I cried like somebody died. And every few days I do it again.

I think some of that comes from working on the election not too long after my dad died. Delayed grief, maybe. I dunno. I can't separate it out. But in some ways Kerry reminds me of my dad, not the least of which that they were both Navy. I don't know why else listening to Freepers diss Max Clelland or Kerry and any other Dem veteran sends me into tears every damn time. How can they talk about supporting the troops and then make fun of a triple amputee.

And then one of the "sorry everybody" pictures really got to me yesterday: a woman with an ABB button and the program for a "Bush going away party" with the saddest look on her face.

Aw damn it...

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #27
68. You weren't alone and I think you hit all the reasons I too wept in
your concise post (adding, of course, my son in addition to my two daughters).
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:08 PM
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31. Tweety made sure to trash Kerry for wearing "a Burberry (SP?) trenchcoat
because it showed how he was "from the North." Meanwhile, when old man Bush came out in the same coat, he never uttered a word....

What an ass. Infantile. The entire press corps is infantile. Miles O'Brien was just so dismissive of the library design, he couldn't get over himself.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:10 PM
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33. I haven't watched any media coverage since 11/2.
The whole world is laughing at us.:-(
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:05 AM
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79. Tweety is just...................
so F***ing jealous he can't stand it! F**k Tweety he could never stand a chance against this great man! Kerry is hell of alot smarter and better looking than what Tweety could ever dream of being much less it being reality.

Tweety = :puke:


Kerry = :loveya:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:56 AM
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81. LOL, I love your posts
Your name is so appropriate. :) Also, I think to get a Kerry group off the ground, someone needs to start a thread and get ten donors (people with stars) to sign onto the thread. So you should go donate to DU now (wink wink nudge nudge).
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 07:43 PM
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103. Thank You
LOL I know I can get a little carried away at times. But when it comes to Kerry I do alot of things that I normally wouldn't. Kerry is my Hero!!!!! :loveya: Right now my funds have been drained dry. I helped my hero out through out the campaign so I have to get my funds back up. But my hero was worth every dime :loveya: I will donate to DU soon.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:13 PM
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34. I miss him too...and I can't believe the fucking Judases that post here
that were high fiving him two weeks ago and now post some of the shit they do. I've never considered ONE individual to the THE party..but apparently the PARTY is now Howard Dean or nothing...people sound like a cross between fucking Naderites and fundamentalist Jesus morons with all their shit....really...how I feel about a very good percentage of people around here lately is FUCK YOU ALL...this place tears apart our candidates within fucking DAYS of the race....really fuck you all
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:16 PM
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36. NSMA I am agreeing with you
I am actually planning a little break soon.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:22 PM
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38. I'll third that. It's fucking sickening - but not surprising. n/t
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:25 PM
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41. thanks
I am not surprised either but it is just that fucking sickening. Hell people would eat Bobby Kennedy I bet.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:39 PM
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45. I am with you - I cannot tolerate the dissing of the man!
What is wrong with the democratic party (and a majority of the liberals on DU) - we eat our own!
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:18 PM
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51. Yes!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:30 PM
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53. So how long do people who only voted for him because he's not bush need...
to pretend to like him?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:06 PM
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58. Not a minute longer
But neither are we budging.

I swear, a thread about Kerry's current activities can't get ten posts without someone coming and dissing. We got called a cult yesterday. You don't have to pretend to like him, but don't expect us to stop expressing our admiration for the man if that's how we feel.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:14 PM
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61. But why should those who dislike him be called "Judases"?
We put up with him, he lost, now fuck him!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:25 PM
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66. There's a difference between not liking him
and crucifying the man. Hence, Judas.

Why should it bother you that you are getting called Judas. Several people have called Kerry a myriad of names, smearing the man with the same RNC talking points (now THAT'S pathetic) and then are offended to get a few names tossed back at them.

Sorry dear. If you're allowed to express yourself in such a way about Kerry, then be prepared for those of us who still support the man to have his back.

I will take a page from the Vets for Kerry on yahoo.

"John Kerry Back Watch" -- reporting for duty!
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #66
74. Well stated
Seriously, we ought to make a Kerry group.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:54 AM
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84. Well said!
I'll second that, LittleClarkie. Every word. :toast:

We've got your back, Senator Kerry.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:37 PM
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54. How DARE you use the name Howard Dean in the same
post in which you use profanity. I am amazed a bolt of lightning didn't strike you down on the spot.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:08 PM
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59. Oh Howard forbid
How may we atone?
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:16 PM
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62. Donate $500 to DFA,
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 11:16 PM by Julien Sorel
and repeat this line three times:

"Howard Dean was defeated in the primaries by a conspiracy among corporations, the DLC, the media, and Karl Rove."
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:38 AM
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70. Thank You for saying what I've been afraid to
Kudos. I 100% agree. I guess it isn't in vogue to actually give a shit about your candidate. Maybe I'm not radical enough. Fine by me, I say.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:28 AM
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82. "really fuck you all"
you act like you're new to politics.I never seen a loss NOT followed by this kind of behavior.And in the long run it's EXACTLY what this party needs.In the ABB fervor all the people who had valid points about Kerry were told to shut up and get in line.Many are getting now what they deserved then.

As to the Kerry supporters who are now trashing him;typical spinelessness,and exactly what I expected from all too many of them.They deserve the fuck you all more than anyone.

And please,dont throw Dean in my face in response.He wasn't my pick either.That excuse is the same copout the Dems used Nader for.It wont wash anymore.The party is in shambles,and they have only themselves to blame for it.It isn't Dean or his supporters,who did a lot to help Kerry.

And please,Naderites is soooo 2001.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:58 AM
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85. The party is in shambles because while loyalty oaths are not favorable
LOYALTY IS ADMIRABLE. He's two weeks out and already more votes are getting counted and scrutinized than were even REQUESTED to be counted by Al Gore's lawyers (remember it was 3 counties) and that is not enough for some.

Yeah..that's what I say...a big FUCK you to those that would castigate him this early.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:02 AM
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86. NSMA, I know we've had our disagreements over this in the past, but
I cannot help how I feel. I put my heart and soul into this campaign, and I am and will remain very angry. So many good ideas, shot down...So much left to question. No 24 hour reaction on any charges leveled. A promise made...then silence. It sounds too much like promises made during the campaign. My children need someone out there at bat for them, and I frankly, and very sadly, don't see that.

I hope you understand,
Laura
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:16 PM
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90. Interesting...
You compare people who have "betrayed" Kerry in your estimation to Judas, who betrayed Jesus -- therefore implicitly comparing Kerry to Jesus. In the next breath, you call them Jesus freaks.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:05 PM
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94. No it did NOT implicitly COMPARE Kerry to Jesus..that's your faulty logic
Judas was a character who demonstrated disloyalty..that's all..the rest is YOUR inference not MY implication
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:12 PM
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96. Hm. Judas was disloyal to whom? OK... Forget that.
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 02:13 PM by Goldmund
But why do you think that people should feel loyal to a political candidate? I don't. I think a candidate is merely a conduit that you think will effect a good representation of your beliefs in government. I've always been turned off by fawning over personality, and those "describe Kerry in one word -- Handsome, Presidential, Courageous blablabla" barf-fest threads. Kerry, or any other politician, is just an instrument. I don't care if a politician is a slimeball or a saint -- he/she is merely an instrument, a facilitator, of voters' political intent. When he no longer serves that intent, then he's as good as a broken down car. It's not personal. Never has been.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:27 PM
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99. I guess I need to watch more Survivor so I can be a bit more tainted
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 02:29 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
See..I think of a politician as a conduit as well..but if he and my position lose and he still intends to work toward my goals..then I don't vote him off the island.

Oh..so what Judas was disloyal to whom...it doesn't alter the equation.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:31 PM
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100. LOL I've actually never seen a single episode
But it isn't that he lost. And I'm not quite ready to vote him off the island even if this were Survivor. But I'm still baffled from the early concession, I don't have any answers to why the fuck he still has $15 mil in the bank, and why he is barely even hinting that he has anything to do with the voter irregularity/fraud issues -- while he does find the time to call for "unity" and to muse about running in 2008.

Not exactly ready to write him off yet, but I'm far from convinced that he intends to work toward my goals. I never really was -- I'm far more to the left than Kerry is, but my first and primary goal was to get rid of Bush and the neocons. In that sense, he was working toward my goals.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:23 PM
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39. You know, I miss him too
I thought I would be all pissed if he lost, but I really got to like him.

He was born to be President.

/sigh

In the next life

david
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spatlese Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:24 PM
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40. Thanks for the picture...
He looks really good here... Gosh, I miss him.. :(
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:36 PM
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43. me too
:(

and i agree with asking for a Kerry group forum, i was thinking of that earlier, but i'm a noob so i didn't think i'd bother
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:38 PM
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44. I did and it disappeared but probably because I worded it terribly
really if you want to, go for it. I'll join it, and if I have time, I'll write your mission statement.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:46 PM
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47. i don't know what to do though
i read the rules on how to suggest a forum, but that means i have to pick a forum to suggest it in, get 10 star members to reply saying they want it too, then we write up a mission statement and then send it where?

if you really want to get with me on starting one, what does the mission statement have to say? i mean i guess whatever we want the 'mission' to be, right? i might be able to write up a good one.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:48 PM
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48. I dont know
post it here or in the lounge. I am sure someone will know what to do.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:19 PM
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64. i think it's better to post things in this forum
so more people will see. not many people are in the group forums. and mostly the same people go there. but i want other people to see things on kerry that's why i would rather post it on these forums for all.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:04 PM
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50. We don't need to do the group forum yet!
We need to continue to post positive posts in the general forums so that all can remember why they liked him during the campaign. Don't give up on him yet. He is not a memory.

Post all of your positive thoughts in the GD and GD Politics and 2004 Election forums. Keep the love and hope alive!
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RinaJ Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:44 PM
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46. I miss him, too
Those pissed off by all the bashing, it does help to take a break from the boards. I managed to stay off last week and it helped, unfortunately there's more trash that's depressing me.
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DrkAngl018 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:29 PM
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52. I miss him, too
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 09:30 PM by DrkAngl018
I have been a silent reader of this forum, but I read this thread and decided to post my thoughts.

This was my first election that I voted in (I just turned 18 in July) and I really had a lot of confidence in John Kerry. On Nov 2, I stayed up all night watching television. At like 3 am, I saw that Kerry was down and I sat down and cried. It was disappointing. I think he gave us, democrats, hope. I still won't accept the fact that he conceded. I am hoping and praying that something will come up and overturn the election. But even though, Bush has "won" the election for right now, John Kerry will be my president until 2008.

And to the people that are bashing Kerry. You decided to give your money to Kerry and his campaign. You knew that you wasn't going to get it back and Kerry could spend the money any way he wanted to on his campaign. He could be waiting until he can officially do something. Also he donated that money to the DNC, which I think is smart. Help other democrats get in office and help make our next president a democrat.

Anyways, Thanks for showing that picture. It gave me hope again that I was losing. hehe :)
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:42 PM
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55. Thanks for your post
If there is anything positive to be said about Nov 2nd, it is that the youth did not let us down. They are an inspiration to us all.

We owe it to them to fix this election process.

DrkAngl018, keep your hope. John Kerry is a smart man, and he is a good man. He stands for everything that is great about this country. I believe that he will do everything he can to deliver on his promises.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:57 PM
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57. Welcome to DU and thanks for the post
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:36 PM
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102. Excellent post, DrkAngl018
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:44 AM
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73. I miss him too!
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:00 AM
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75. John, we miss you, where are you, call Home soon

I wish we had a direct line to him. He could chat with us too.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:02 AM
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76. I miss him
I also miss Teresa.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:08 PM
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95. I miss him too! And it's NOT getting easier!
n/t :cry:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:07 AM
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78. He aint gone-Let's watch John in the Senate...
...if he does a great job, then who knows whether he can pull a Nixon and run again...
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:19 AM
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87. I miss him like crazy!
I went from ABB to loving and admiring that young man who spoke so courageously to the senate in 1972. As an older man, he is caring, intelligent and I for one...trust him.

Smart people learn from mistakes. What Gore did..didn't work...plain and simple. To repeat it would be foolish. Keeping the fraud story alive would be satisfying for all of us, but we want more than temporary satisfaction. If bits and pieces of this story came out, you know that the right and the media would systematically debunk them. The only way it would be taken seriously is if it were big and definite. Like...FBI arrest...Jeb Bush in handcuffs. Anything less than that or something similiar would be dust in the wind.

We don't know what's happening or even if anything is happening. So until we do...let's not trash John Kerry. Let's trust the man that we all believed would make a great president.


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:30 PM
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91. Today's message from John Kerry (according to Josh Marshall)
"Regardless of the outcome of this election, once all the votes are counted -- and they will be counted -- we will continue to challenge this administration. This is not a time for Democrats to retreat and accommodate extremists on critical principles -- it is a time to stand firm.

I will fight for a national standard for federal elections that has both transparency and accountability in our voting system. It's unacceptable in the United States that people still don't have full confidence in the integrity of the voting process.

I ask you to join me in this cause."

That's a passage from a message Sen. John Kerry will be sending out to supporters later this afternoon.
-- Josh Marshall

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_11_14.php#004043

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 12:33 PM
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92. this deserves it's own post
do you mind posting this again on the board directly? i think it might be something people would be interested in.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:15 PM
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97. That's where I obtained it, from a thread of its own.
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 02:30 PM by merh
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 03:26 PM
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101. An email message I just received from John Kerry
I want to thank you personally for what you did in the election -- you rewrote the book on grassroots politics, taking control of campaigns away from big donors. No campaign will ever be the same.

You moved voters, helped hold George Bush accountable, and countered the attacks from big news organizations such as Fox, Sinclair Broadcasting, and conservative talk radio.

And your efforts count now more than ever. Despite the words of cooperation and moderate sounding promises, this administration is planning a right wing assault on values and ideals we hold most deeply. Healthy debate and diverse opinion are being eliminated from the State Department and CIA, and the cabinet is being remade to rubber stamp policies that will undermine Social Security, balloon the deficit, avoid real reforms in health care and education, weaken homeland security, and walk away from critical allies around the world.

Regardless of the outcome of this election, once all the votes are counted -- and they will be counted -- we will continue to challenge this administration. This is not a time for Democrats to retreat and accommodate extremists on critical principles -- it is a time to stand firm.

I will fight for a national standard for federal elections that has both transparency and accountability in our voting system. It's unacceptable in the United States that people still don't have full confidence in the integrity of the voting process.

I ask you to join me in this cause.

And we must fight not only against George Bush's extreme policies -- we must also uphold our own values. This is why on the first day Congress is in session next year, I will introduce a bill to provide every child in America with health insurance. And, with your help, that legislation will be accompanied by the support of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

There are more than eight million uninsured children in our nation.

That's eight million reasons for us to stay together and fight for a new direction. It is a disgrace that in the wealthiest nation on earth, eight million children go without health insurance.

Normally, a member of the Senate will first approach other senators and ask them to co-sponsor a bill before it is introduced -- instead, I am turning to you. Imagine the power of a bill co-sponsored by hundreds of thousands of Americans being presented on the floor of the United States Senate. You can make it happen. Sign our "Every Child Protected" pledge today and forward it to your family, friends, and neighbors:

http://johnkerry.com/EveryChild

This is the beginning of a second term effort to hold the Bush administration accountable and to stand up and fight for our principles and our values. They want you to disappear; they are counting on that. I'm confident you will prove them wrong, and you will rewrite history again.

Here is what I want you to know. I understand the strength, commitment, and passion that are at the core of what we built together -- and I am determined to make our collective energy and organization a force to be reckoned with in the weeks and months ahead.

Let's roll up our sleeves and get back to work for our country.

Thank you,
John Kerry

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/everychild.php
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SiouxJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 01:43 PM
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93. I miss him and thank him
not many people would put themselves through what he did. The absolutely disgraceful rethuglican attacks on his military service. Remember the purple heart band-aides? I still think about that hideous bitch with her purple heart band-aide and shit eating smile; blindly worshiping an idiot wannabe while making fun of a real war hero. Also, the disgraceful way he was treated by fellow Veterans. I guess they don't care that their guy didn't even go when his country could have used him. I guess actually going to Vietnam isn't as respected by them as standing on the sidelines cheerleading (or going off to snort coke or drive drunk or whatever the hell he was doing at the time). Kerry showed nothing but class the entire time they were doing this to him. He stuck to the issues while they concentrated on slandering him. He was dragged through the mud and still kept his dignity (there's a word you never associate with Shrub, huh?).

Thank you John Kerry for going through all that Bushit! I for one appreciate it!
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