Is this the future Democratic party?

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Thanx but no thanx!!!!



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“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”

[StopTheMorans]

1. your grammar is off. "Democratic Party";

"Democrat Party" is how the right-wingers says it...

[retyred]

5. fixed

retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
"The "ONLY" true Democrat from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party"

[StopTheMorans]

6. thanks

n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. how come the fella on your avatar voted for DOMA?

my point is not to denigrate Paul Wellstone but to show that even "conviction politicians" sometimes take less than principled stands....

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. Perhaps Wellstone actaully though that it was the right thing to do

Just because he had liberal views on some issues doesn't mean that he had liberal views on all issues.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. If There's Room In The Party For People Who Oppose Gay Rights

Why isn't there room for gun nuts, anti-abortionists, and PNAC symps....



P.S. I was just using that as an argument against ideological purity.... Paul Wellstone later wrote it's the worst vote he ever cast...

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Did he explain why he voted that way?

And od you have a link for it?

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. Does anyone have a link for this?

:shrug:

[gulfcoastliberal]

19. This is what he said:

"What troubles me is that I may not have cast the right vote on DOMA," he writes. "I might have rationalized my vote by making myself believe that my honest position was opposition. This vote was an obvious trap for a senator like me, who was up for reelection. Did I convince myself that I could gleefully deny Republicans this opportunity? ...When Sheila and I attended a Minnesota memorial service for Mathew Shepard, I thought to myself, 'Have I taken a position that contributed to a climate of hatred?'...I still wonder if I did the right thing."

http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=135

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. Sounds like he was quite conflicted on it

Apperently this was not a black and white issue for Mr. Wellstone.

[Zhade]

24. Another example of why he was a great man.

He was not perfect, but he sure was interested in questioning things and doing right - and he felt guilt when appropriate.

Man, I miss that guy, and I didn't even get a chance to know him before his 'accident'.

:cry:

[htuttle]

15. Apparently, there is room

You got plenty of anti-gay rights Democrats, Harry Reid pretty much qualifies as a gun nut who's also anti-choice, and Joe Lieberman is a PNAC sympathizer (if not signatory by now, given his 'protege of Scoop Jackson' credentials).

Not always sure there's still room for me, however...

:shrug:

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

3. I think we need the guy on the upper right

The rest I'll pass on!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I Have More Respect For A Legitimate Pro Lifer Than A Homophobe....

This isn't to say we should acquiesce to the pro lifers....

[mzmolly]

7. I agree. I'll stay the F home in 06-08.

"We don't need two Republican Party's." ~ Howard Dean (You know, the man who should chair the DNC!)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I Don't Have Much Truck For Any Of The Cartoon Archetypes

but I think we lost the gun argument...

We can win the others...

[John Q. Citizen]

11. It's strange, because the gun argument was championed by

Clinton.

[neoteric lefty]

12. I don't see how we "lost" the gun argument

the Republicans made a false caricature of Dems and the Democratic leadership did almost nothing to attack back. I believe a large majority of Americans support getting rid weapons whose primary purpose is to kill other human beings, many at a time. The Right was successful in linking a ban on assault weapons with taking away Ma and Pa's hunting rifle or handgun. When you say, "I think we lost the gun argument," that says to me that most Americans aren't on our side. I don't believe that for a moment.


We need to start fighting back as a party. Just a thought.

:toast:

[w4rma]

20. I'm a Democrat. I don't support gun control.

Why should I fight for an issue that does nothing but lose votes and increase the probability that no progress will be made on important issues?

Besides, gun control is ranked at the very very bottom of most Dems' priorities, or the Democrat opposes gun control, alltogether.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

13. If it is....

this Dem will pass, thanks.

Ick.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

17. this is sad.

[69KV]

18. Just for the record

The religious left - mainline Christian ministers to be precise - were the strongest early supporters of pro-choice on abortion, and there are are plenty of gun owners with liberal or left views.

As for the "warmongering left" - hmm. Are we the party of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and John F. Kennedy, or aren't we? (Note here that I am strongly against Bush's Iraq slaughter and think Vietnam was equally a mistake, but what about WWII?)

All this cartoon does is reinforce stereotypes of the left that the right wing wants to perpetuate.

[w4rma]

21. I agree! Very sober and intellegent points. (nt)

[Zynx]

23. You are absolutely right on all counts.