Finally, John Kerry to fight O'Neil --- I hope!.....

[emdee]

I never understood why he didn't fight back against the SBV lies!


John Kerry may wage war against Viet war veteran:
: New York, Nov 19 : After losing to George Bush in the presidential elections , John Kerry is now preparing for another fight with John O'Neill, the "Unfit for Command" author who claims some of the credit for Kerry's defeat.

In the book, O'Neill, who, like Kerry, commanded swift boats in Vietnam , severly criticised Kerry's war record and branded him a traitor.

O'Neill reportedly sold over 800,000 copies of the book and his group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, raised 25 million dollars to battle the Kerry campaign and ran TV ads trashing the candidate.

According to the New York Post, Kerry is said to be furious with his staffers who advised him not to fight back against O'Neill.

"The Kerry camp is thinking about filing a libel lawsuit against Regnery and O'Neill," a source close to the candidate's inner circle was quoted by the paper, as saying.

"I don't know if they will actually go forward, but consideration is serious. If Kerry plans on running again in 2008 - and I'm hearing he will - it would make sense that he'd file the suit," the source added.(ANI)
http://news.newkerala.com/world-news/?action=fullnews&id=43485

[ibegurpard]

1. If he thinks he can win it

then more power to him. I'd love nothing more than to see those slimy fuckers go down.

[gWbush is Mabus]

2. a lawsuit might uncover links to Karl ROVE!!!!

[The Wielding Truth]

40. Yes, Go for it. Please stop the lies.

[mrdmk]

3. to little, to late one word dumb n/t

[emdee]

6. It's never too late to start fighting

he should have fought them long ago but they need to be exposed publicly for what they are --- even if the election is over. Kerry was wrong, imo, not to fight them from the get-go but I want to see them get their due - late or not!


emdee :nuke:

[pbartch]

38. Kerry has the MONEY and the INTELLIGENCE to SUE and WIN

I saw John O'Neill on Nightline with Ted Koppel and he is a stupid idiot. He was as inarticulate as all get out and didn't even appear to have an 80 I.Q.

Kerry being an A+++ SUPER INTELLIGENT Attorney will WIPE the Swifties in the mud --- where they belong.

[Career Prole]

10. Maybe you meant "too little, too late", eh?

It's always a good idea to check your spelling when calling someone else dumb. :eyes:

[meow2u3]

20. It may be too little, too late for this battle

But Kerry is looking to win the WAR. There is a reason JK is suing the Swifties: not only because they ruined his good name, but also that of Democrats in general. I think he is fighting for us, only not the battle we wanted him to fight.

Barry Goldwater sued surrogates of LBJ after he lost the 1964 Presidential election for the same reasons: dirty tricks, libel, and smear campaigns by the opponent or opposition's surrogates.

2004 may well be the 1964 for the Democrats, and if he should win this lawsuit, it will expose the Repukes as the despicable liars they are. Repukes across the board will lose their credibility once and for all, and we'll get our majority back, God willing.

[mrdmk]

28. Thank you, but here we go into another four long years of the

Bush Jr. Adminstration.

Once again not a peep from Mr. John Kerry about all of the problems with the vote. The stragist for Mr. Kerry seem to have their colective heads in the sand and it is killing this country. That is why I say "dumb".

[LittleClarkie]

43. He peeped.

Check out the Kerry email threads, or go to johnkerry.com and see the vid. He peeped.

[lovedems]

4. I hope he does and I hope he wins because by showing O'Neill

for the scum he is you can also move with showing how Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough and Fox News willfully and gleefully gave air time and wonderful credit to these good for nothing assholes. What liberal media?

[emdee]

8. I agree - this could start the war that should have been fought long ago

The war against FOX and the media moguls who make the decisions these days.

Maybe the Dems can focus the next four years on cleaning up the propaganda problem! Is that asking for too much?

Here's hoping that O'Neil and Rove get theirs! :toast:

emdee

[lovedems]

12. Yes!

:toast:

You can go after 2 birds with one stone. O'Neil and the media who treated their lies as "news".

[ogradda]

5. i hope he tears those assholes to shreds

tiny bits and pieces.

[laheina]

7. I hope he does.

What that bastard did was wrong. He made politics copacetic for draft dodging rich kids, while those that did their time with honor and distinction get drug through the political mud and maligned for telling the truth. Yuck.

[eataTREE]

9. Sue the bastards.

O'Neill's a jerk who has had it in for Kerry his whole life, ever since Kerry shredded him during a debate on the Dick Cavett show.

[emdee]

11. It's time for a battle alright

I want a front row seat!
emdee

[Democrat 4 Ever]

15. I want to see Kerry take on the entire bunch of assholes,

rip their throats out and walk away holding their beating hearts in his hand. They need to be taken down - hard. Because next time, if not Kerry, it will be someone else. This isn't about a war record, it is about smearing the opposition, ruining good people and stealing an election. Sic em.

[justa]

47. I couldn't agree more.

The only way we are going to have a chance is to let people know that they will have to pay if they are going to spread this kind of filth. They need to be taken down if for nothing more than to protect the next bunch.If they are left alone then they will just get worse and worse until there is not even a sliver of reality left in their bullshit.

[Butterflies]

13. Go John!

This should've been done long ago. Those creeps need to be squashed now so they can't pop up in the future to recycle their lies (you know the media will give them air-time and respect over and over and over.)

[From the south]

14. Libel cases are very hard to win

Here is the problem I see if Kerry sues....

If he wins, what does he win? People on the right are not going to believe him anyway.

If he loses though....what does he lose? The right will trumpet his loss as proof that everything the swoftboatvets said was true.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

17. So you walk away from a fight because you might lose?

Nah, sometimes you make the attempt even if there is a chance you will get your ass handed to you on a plate. I would love to see the disposition list and discovery for this little beaut. There will be cock roaches crawling back under the cover of darkness in every corner of the White House. I think we need to see Bushy Boy, Rove and Cheney under oath and giving testimony to what they knew and when they knew it. 'Cause we know how the repugs LOVE to impeach anyone who lies under oath. Again, sic em.

[From the south]

32. Not every fight is worth fighting

Kerry needs to consider what a loss will cost him.... thats all I am saying. I don't walk away from every fight because I might lose, but I do consider the potential outcomes, thats called being prudent

[justa]

48. Not every fight my be worth fighting but

I believe this one must be fought. The cost of not fighting is to unleash this kind of smear campaign on everyone that even think of opposing the evil empire. It is not just for Kerry but for all of us (IMO). The question is, will Kerry do it because it is right or will he let it slide because it might hurt him politically.

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. This would be a first step in making me believe he's serious.

[Larkspur]

18. What a wus!

According to the New York Post, Kerry is said to be furious with his staffers who advised him not to fight back against O'Neill.

Anyone not inflated with a sense of entitlement would have fought or at least hired attorneies competent in slander/libel law to fight this battle during the campaign and an astute candidate would have used it to his advantage, with or without his advisors advice.

[dogtag]

19. Please, oh please, do it, John, do it to them.

Take no prisoners. Get the whole rotten miserable bunch up on the stand. Expose "Latch" Hoffman for the war criminal he really is. Put Teresa's money to good use. Yippee!

He may not 'win' but it should be one hell of a good show! He needs to do it, he should do it and let the chips fall where they may.

[evilqueen]

21. I only have one thing to say to this....

muahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Jersey Devil]

22. Before you cheer read Louie Nizer's "My Life In Court" re Quenton Reynolds

vs Westbrook Pegler. Libel cases have a way of boomaranging and those brought by public figures are almost impossible to win.

[bluedog]

23. enough talking

either do it or he should shut up about it.........don't get your hopes up......this "is" thinking stuff is just to quiet his supporters.......I'd bet on it!

[ComerPerro]

24. He should sue them for everything they have

And, I have always thought that people like Ann Coulter should be slapped with mountains of lawsuits.

The Democratic party only gets hurt when it decides to play nice. Its time to start taking these lying motherfuckers to task.

[NoPasaran]

25. I'm disappointed

I was hoping Kerry who just punch his lights out!

[GreenArrow]

26. lawsuit? how 'bout a fist fight

so Kerry can knock that lying asshole's block off.

[go west young man]

30. This is something thats really confused me...

I'm from the UK and in english politics we tend to just come right out and say it and I can't for the life of me understand why Kerry didn't just put them on the defensive by saying that they hadn't gotten over Vietnam. That they believed the U.S. could win. And why didn't he point out to the press that he helped save a lot of lives by talking to congress about the atrocities which everyone knows to be fact? O'neal may have had to suffer but thats not Kerrys fault. Thats Nixons. Not that I'm defending O'neal. He's an ass but Kerry had me in the dark on this one.

[Julien Sorel]

52. He did say some of those things.

Unlike the U.K., we don't have much advocacy journalism here, and what we do have is right wing. So a lot of the things Kerry, or his campaign, said went unreported.

For me, the most bizarre media thing of the whole campaign was the spectacle of reporters asking the same question over and over: "Where's Edwards?" It was as if he was on a safari in darkest Africa, and they had no idea where he was, yet they had reporters on his campaign plane everywhere he went. It was code for "Edwards isn't making a jackass of himself, so we won't give him coverage." Similarly, unless Kerry said something that could have fanned the controversy even more, it wasn't going to get coverage. And of course, controversy would have hurt Kerry in this affair by drawing even more attention to it. Then the line would have been, "Kerry brought it on himself by sinking to their level," just as the actual line was, "Kerry brought it on himself by highlighting his Vietnam service."

If the media are looking for controversy, they will find it, and there isn't much anyone can do about it. That was the genius of the Swift Hoax: it gave the media something to focus on during the lull between the two party conventions, and the media won't turn down a free lunch.

[GRLMGC]

34. MUCH better idea

He has a better chance at winning and it would bring me (always the self-centered one) more satisfaction.

[GreenArrow]

41. satisfaction!

Damn right! Sir, you have offended my honor, and I demand satisfaction!

Have to agree with you. What would be more satisfiying, Kerry winning a lawsuit, or Kerry administering a public beating to the swine who impugned his honor?

The lawsuit is more civilized, of course, but fuck it, the public likes blood.

[geek tragedy]

27. Lawsuit=bad idea.

Very bad publicity, plus they'd get to go on a fishing expedition in his college and medical military records.

He doesn't need the money, and the sooner the Swifties are forgotten, the better.

[noamnety]

29. If he does, I'd be happy to help research

It would be nice to track down every last one of them and figure out out of the 250? who actually even knew him personally and in what capacity, and who was an eyewitness to anything they have claimed.

[DemOperative]

31. If I had 15 million "left over"

I'd gladly spend every dime of it to kneecap those freaks, and do some damage to Faux at the same time.

Too bad he just now realized what pathetically bad advice he was getting.

[evilqueen]

36. that's my hope

... that he finally realized the advice was crap. I saw lots of good advice and ideas both here and in the K/E forums... and no, not the weird crap either.

[ArtVandaley]

33. I hope he does

Sue O'Neill and his band of traitors for all they have, and give all the money to ethical veterans groups. O'Neill deserves to burn in hell.

[rndmprsn]

35. who cares if its too late...sue his fucking ass

and drag it through the mud...make sure he doesn't make a penny off this pack of lies...he should demand a public apology too

[EVDebs]

37. John O'Neill Swift Vet

Kerry gets blasted by the SwiftVets4"truth" but according to swiftboats.net the aveage time for an OIC on a swiftboat is about 5 months...in the case of O'Neill himself, he only served 5 months in command compared to Kerry's 4 ! BFD. The rest of O'Neill's time was spent as a staff officer. Kerry did about the same thing and about the same time lengths.

(See the posting at http://loonaticleft.typepad.com/loonatic_left/2004/07/swiftboats_for_.html then scroll down about halfway to post by Mike Aug 20, 2004 05:48 PM )

Furthermore, Kerry's facts about atrocities are verified in the Toledo Blade's prizewinning series on Tiger Force and Stanley Karnow's "Vietnam: A Television History" from PBS...see especially the on-air confessions of soldiers in the final episode. As for the Cambodia B.S. O'Neill et al threw out for the ignorant media to spread, Kerry's recollections were no more a distortion than O'Neills about being in Cambodia and O'Neill is caught bragging about it on Nixon's own tapes!

And what about Nixon's own culpability ? See http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/3621 "Nixon's Treason: He stopped an early peace in Vietnam--Drugs, Wife-beating, What about 20,000 American Dead ?" To top it off, LBJ himself knew the war was unwinnable, yet kept the damn thing rolling just like Nixon did. And Kerry was the 'bad guy' ???? Who are these Swiftys trying to kid ?

[newyawker99]

50. Hi EVDebs!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[0007]

39. Don't hold yur breath!

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. If he runs again,

he won't get my vote. If he would like to unconcede, then I'll think about it.

I want to see a NEW LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE Party. I'll support it in a heartbeat. The Democratic Party SUCKS!

[LittleClarkie]

44. And you're doing what to make that happen

Creating this party you want, I mean.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. I'm finished with politics for now.

I put off 4 years of projects around my house that MUST be done now and that is what I'm doing. I will continue to donate to BBV and Help America Recount, but that's it. Politics is not going to control my life like it did for the last 4 years. I have things I have to do. If evoting isn't dumped, I'm finished for good. It would all be a waste of time, effort and money. Why the hell would anyone put any effort into any candidate/party while evoting exists? It's futile. The repukes own this country now and with evoting, NO OTHER PARTY WILL EVER WIN THE WH. Hell, by 2008, they we will have a 1 party government. So, for now, other things in life must be taken care of.

[emdee]

45. OK, party time......

I got a flame! Yay!

emdee (an excited newbie) :party:

[Quixote1818]

49. Take that bastard apart John! Ruin HIM!

[UpsideDownFlag]

51. 6 months too late, imho....nt

[LibDemAlways]

53. I'm with you.

The bashing Kerry took from O'Neil was personal. Letting his handlers determine his response, or non-response, was stupid and left the impression that there must have been some truth to the liar's fabrications. If ever there was a time to have gone into "mad as hell" mode, that was it.

[hippiechick]

55. 30 YEARS too late is more like it, IMO ...

:( O'Neill's had Kerry's number since the Nixon Admin used him back in the 70's ... why didn't Kerry make a move to STFU on O'Neill long before he accepted the Dem nomination ? Could have saved the Dems a helluva lot of defensive strategy and opened up time/money to attack the Bush Admin on the REAL issues.


:hippie:

[suegeo]

54. Too late Mr. Kerry

We're stuck with Fascism for another 4 years. Why didn't Kerry fight back when it could have made a difference?

Good luck with your fight. You do know the media is controlled by righwingers who will flay you, don't you Mr. Kerry?