Go Ahead, Seal Yourself Off From The Media, And Go Radical Left...

[Placebo]

the rest of us will just have to work harder to make sure that you're not even more detached from reality than you are now.

I don't understand all these people saying "How can ANYONE watch the news?!?! You know it's crap, I don't watch it, NO ONE SHOULD!"

Well, some of us will keep watching the news and keeping tabs on what the nation is saying for those of you who are too defeatist and weak to do so yourselves.

Rebel against all things mainstream, including moderate Democrats, and see where you find yourself.

Word to the wise, this "FUCK YOU ALL, I'M NEVER VOTING DEMOCRAT AGAIN UNLESS I GET THE CANDIDATE I WANT! AND I'LL ONLY ACCEPT AN ULTRA-LIBERAL! BOYCOTT ALL NEWS MEDIA!" attitude, isn't going to win any elections. It's selfish and unrealistic.

[JohnKleeb]

1. but I am the antithesis of a moderate democrat on my positions

yet I don't hate them, what should I do? help a left wing wacko yellow dog.

[comsymp]

2. Of course you do

It's a black and white world where, if you disagree with something you must hate it or its representatives - you can read all about it here!

[JohnKleeb]

3. but I actually dont mind them

and many self described moderates I know worked hard to get Bush out not back in.

[comsymp]

8. Irrelevant!

You MUST hate the Moderates and everything they stand for- DAS IST DAS PARADIGMA!!!


(personally, i'm a moderate... on a couple issues- and a conservative, and a raging liberal, and a socialist, and a libertarian-- i'm sooooo confused!!!)

[JohnKleeb]

10. ha

:) thanks man.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. Wow...you really are a mess

HEY BABY!!! HI :hi:

[Doctor_J]

4. youi think the shit you watch on CNN is reality?

christ, even some sane people are starting to lose their grips. DU, the UK papers, asiatimes are reality. The US TV, radio, and papers are nothing but GOP transcripts.

BTW, I am a capitalist - does that make me moderate?

[madfloridian]

6. The media's lectures are working on you.

They have been lecturing us for years, and we keep saying more please....we will be better.

[madfloridian]

5. Radical left is the middle now.

I am moderate, a Southern Christian evangelical, very down the middle.

The party went so far right that it is the perception that has changed.

[ElectroPrincess]

44. I second that! The Radical Left is what the MIDDLE was a decade ago

I'm a Liberal Catholic which just may equate to a Southern Christian Evangelical. Hey there! <warm smile>

[Beacho]

7. Ask a foreigner what they think

Ask anyone from Europe, Asia, etc, what they think of the drek that passes for ;news' in this country.

Then come back and slap people because they reject corporate propaganda

[ibegurpard]

9. blah, blah, blah

As usual, people like yourself completely warp what people are saying.

[Beacho]

13. people like me?

and what would people 'like' me be 'like'?

[ibegurpard]

14. Well, since I was addressing the original poster and not yourself

I'm not sure why you think that I was talking about people like YOU. I happen to agree with the point YOU made on this thread and disagree vehemently with the original poster. Clear?

[Beacho]

17. my bad

guess I'm a little jumpy these days

apologies

[teryang]

11. Capitulate weak defeatists

You whining losers need the lash of my rightist vocabulary.

Give me a break.

[donheld]

12. Boy have you got it wrong

I haven't watched the news for about 3 years but that doesn't mean i can't keep up. There are several way's for a person to get there news. There are the internet news sorces, Democracy Now! Blogs etc. don't you dare say you have to do my share of the work i've done mine. As to "never voting democrat again" part, maybe some people are saying that, but not me. I'm not defeatest i just i can only do so much. Now go take a pill.

[Name removed]

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[American Tragedy]

18. What exactly constitutes radical left?

Both 'radical' and 'left' are very relative terms.

[0007]

22. Hmmmm maybe Gus Hall can make a come back, 'eh?

[Spazito]

19. If you think the pablum that passes for US news is of any value...

you are sadly mistaken. I suggest you stop supporting the advertisers by watching them. Look for you news, real news, elsewhere, it can be found, just not in the US.

[NightOwwl]

20. Uh, ok. Here's my side of the story.

BBC News is my home page. I read the Guardian, the NYTimes and my local paper, The Sacramento Bee, every day. I watch BBC World News daily, and and occasionally CBS News. Never realized that made me a "radical lefty."

Oh, wait a minute. You must be talking about CNN, MSNBC and Fox. Americentric, filtered, and sanitized for our protection. The news media with the White House Administration Seal of Approval and those objective and knowledgeable news anchors like Judy Woodruff, Wolf Blitzer, Candy Crowley and Britt Hume. At least tell me you aren't including crap like Hardball and Scarborough.

And I'm defeatist and weak, because I refuse to watch that worthless trash? Would you care to elaborate, because you are sounding a bit detached from reality yourself. :crazy:

[Tomee450]

21. What news?

All we're getting is right wing propaganda. I grew tired of the bias and rarely watch the news channels anymore.

[greenohio]

23. Excellent point.

Well said. Many people on this board get their news from single perspective websites. They only believe news that fits their viewpoint which is why they refuse to believe any of the news from any other source. Then they pretend to be more 'educated' than everybody else.

[The Wielding Truth]

27. Ok, lean to the left lean to the right stand up sit down fight fight fight

We all believe in the state outlawed abortion doesn't work. Right?
We all agree that checks and balances work. Right?
We all agree that government should allow free enterprise but not monopolies. Right?
We all agree that Religion is a right that should not be pushed down someone else's throat.Right?
We all agree that government should when feasible collectively help the downtrodden. Right?
We all agree that without a safeguard on the enviroment their are those who will destroy it.Right?
We all believe that the first step to Peace is understanding.Right?
We all believe.... Get it.... We.... Believe.... We are in this together. Let's just fine tune the things we want. We may get close to what we want but since we are free thinking people with different perspectives we must not get perfection.

[FlaGranny]

49. Radical

left-wing commie! ;-)

I don't believe you could find more than a handful of Americans who would disagree with that list, even Republicans.

Eisenhower and Nixon are radical lefties compared to Bush.

[NightOwwl]

33. Why not expose yourself to something other than American news media?

Are you afraid you might learn something?

BTW, what is with all this "they" bullshit? Who is this "they" you are referring to?

[greenohio]

47. Does that post bother you?

Maybe you. Do you read believe only news you agree with? Read only websites you agree with?

[The Wielding Truth]

42. Ok, lean to the left lean to the right stand up sit down fight fight fight

We all believe in the state outlawed abortion doesn't work. Right?
We all agree that checks and balances work. Right?
We all agree that government should allow free enterprise but not monopolies. Right?
We all agree that Religion is a right that should not be pushed down someone else's throat.Right?
We all agree that government should when feasible collectively help the downtrodden. Right?
We all agree that without a safeguard on the enviroment their are those who will destroy it.Right?
We all believe that the first step to Peace is understanding.Right?
We all believe.... Get it.... We.... Believe.... We are in this together. Let's just fine tune the things we want. We may get close to what we want but since we are free thinking people with different perspectives we must not get perfection.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

63. Wait a minute...

aren't you talking about Bushbots? You know, the folks who only watch FOX, worship Rush, and think Saddam had WMDs and was Osama's best buddy???

The folks here tend to be some of the most informed I have ever seen anywhere. This site is consistantly 6 months ahead of the news curve because of the diverse and RELIABLE newsources they have uncovered.

And as for not believing other newsources -- why the fuck would I? I have been watching the MSM for the past four years and seen them blow/ignore/bury one major story after another.

BTW, your post sounds terribly like the RW complaints about those "liberal elitists". You might want to watch that...for a progressive and all.

[zulchzulu]

24. People can get their news from Our Media: the Internet

Who needs to watch the cowardly "journalists" on cable. Who needs to listen to Sean InSannity and his ilk?

People report on the real off-the-wall stuff here and otherwise the message about them gets out.

Let's create our own media. Fuck them.

As a side note, I used to work in TV a while back and know how the message gets controlled and manipulated. It's all bought out and Edward R. Murrow would kick their asses if he could come back from the dead.

[KittyWampus]

25. What The Nation Is Saying? LOL!

:D

The Media is so totatly biased at this point it is PRAVDA.

And the smattering of truth contained is so overwhelmed by the b.s. that it's not even worth deconstructing anymore.

[Metatron]

26. I'm selfish because I quit watching network news?

Eh?

[sadiesworld]

28. Honestly, the stench permeating this board is becoming unbearable.

[NightOwwl]

35. Hear, Hear!

Smells worse than stepping in dog poo.

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. I'm sorry. I'm donating. I'm watching. I'm talking. I'm still trying to

bring about change. And yes, I'm never being duped into working for or voting for a candidate that I have major ideological problems with again. For me, it's selfless...it's about my kids' futures...four years of which just got eaten up again. I'm sorry...it's not about you and what you want at all. Funny thing is, I pretty much consider myself "moderate" on most things.

Say what you said now, Placebo...and regret it mightily later.

Thanks,
Laura

[Robbien]

30. And you wonder why Progressives think DLCers are arrogant

DLCers keep calling progressives the "looney left" but they sure are quick to get their hands out there begging for progressives' money and votes.

Such hypocrites. No wonder they always lose elections.

[greenohio]

31. Yeah, Kerry was DLC through and through

not.

[Cheswick2.0]

36. he was

but keep working on that post count

[Ardee]

52. Hey I like the new release

But Cheswick beta was fine as well.......

[Robbien]

37. Kerry held back $19 million which could have been used

in this election to get Democrats elected. But he chose to keep the money. He has now said he will give the money up but don't hold your breath waiting for him to turn the money over.

Yes, Kerry is typical DLC.

[Zensea]

32. I haven't owned a TV for years

& I'm certainly not uninformed.
There is this invention known as the internet. Or have you been holed up somewhere and missed it?
No wait, that's not possible, this post is on the internet!

Television numbs the mind, if you ask me.

I guess it's all in how you define being detached from reality.

[ulysses]

34. ah, the radical left...

Those poor nutcases who believe actually helping the neediest among us. Poor sods...

[buddhamama]

51. poor sods...

there are more "poor" in this country than not. if the poster was
was truly interested in the pulse of the Nation he'd know that already and be doing something to change it. But he ain't hearing it from the mainstream news-it must be a figment of the radicals' imagination.

[NightOwwl]

38. It really pisses me off when someone posts an inflammatory statement

and then disappears. What a coward.

[autorank]

39. Chill. Why watch the news when you can read it. Why read one

source when you can get multiple sources. The revolution will take place with the help of the internet. It's time to get off the grid and build an alternate reality-based community. "Watching the news" is really watching the charade. Try taking a look at 1984, the movie, the most recent edition. Become a seeker of truth instead a minion of morons.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[quaker bill]

40. There is no viable "radical left"

The "news" if damn depressing. Let me summarize it for you in advance.

Bush is going to do substantial damage to the country on almost every dimension. He will be opposed by many democrats but rarely will it be enough to stop him.

He will raise your taxes and call it a cut.

He will draft your kids and call it giving them an "opportunity to serve".

He will eliminate your healthcare and call it "giving you ownership of your healthcare plan"

He will call flipping hamburgers "manufacturing jobs"

He will invade foriegn lands and call it "liberation".

There is very little I need to know from the media to understand that the "light at the end of the tunnel" is an oncoming train. This soap opera no longer amuses me. I am going to go about the work of building community locally.

[KoKo]

41. Well....I don't agree with what you say in a couple of major points.

First that you lump those of us who know the MSM is controlled by Bush at this point so we are well within our rights to refuse to view it and second that we are "rebelling against ALL things mainstream including moderate Democrats." That's just plain wrong.

Most of us WERE Moderate Democrats who have become Radicalized by "Selection 2000" and became activists here on DU in the early days. That some of us are completely upset by all our work seeming to be trashed by the latest Selection and need to work it out is trivialized by your post. I hope you will rethink your premise.. :shrug: otherwise who cares...

[evilqueen]

59. I'm with KoKo01 on this.

Am I "radical left" because I turned the TV off two years ago? I guess I'm in good company with the Amish, eh? (oh, I forgot, I -do- use the internet!) hehehe And yes, the labels are -that- ridiculous.

This is exactly what the GOP loves to push, our in-fighting and division. This is not a time to pick each other apart. This is a time for unity within our party, regardless of the diversity of our ideas and positions on issues.

This party IS the party of diversity, not a monoculture of hypocrites, so it's time for Democrats to accept that and figure out a way to listen to all of our opinions, no matter how "radical" you might think they are, because "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" and the sooner we realize that, the better. Shutting out voices by labeling them as "radicals" or "those queers" or "those out-of-touch-with-reality folks" or other such crap is just going to alienate large swaths of supporters, and unless and until the DLC (and even the people here) realizes that, we may never win another major election in this country even IF we get the voting machine integrity issues fixed.

I think, too, that we need to realize that we CAN BE the media. We have "new media" right here in front of us... this monitor, this keyboard, access to servers and email and mailing lists and websites and blogs. Maybe people don't yet realize just how powerful that is, I don't know, but I believe that it's eventually going to make television obsolete. We're already seeing the shift to cable from broadcast networks... it's still evolving, and it will continue to evolve. We are the Progressives, we change with the times, just as media will.

Be an active part of that.

[Carolina]

43. We're not winning anyway

so might as well have some equanimity and at least a little self-indulgence, even if it's only temporary.

Our watching CNN doesn't change CNN, it just raises our collective blood pressure... same holds true for all the media whores. Watch all you want but I won't subject myself to the baised, corporate corrupted crap when there is so much good stuff to READ

As for the candidate of our choice, who knows what the next 4 years will bring ... 10 months ago many of us had not heard of Barak Obama so there's hope that a rising star will emerge.

As for moderate Democrats, what have they given us but acquiescence and defeat... Fuck 'em. I will not support them. I'm saving my money and energy for me and my family 'cause these are the times for self-preservation.

[PassingFair]

48. Agree, Carolina, BUT

if you have ANY money or energy left after self-presevation, contact DFA... available on a computer near you.

[Carolina]

54. thanks, will do

I know I'll some energy (have to channel this rage constructively), but money is a bit more questionable.

I'm just in such a BLUE funk right now ...

[buddhamama]

45. too late

i'm already a radical lefty.

dude, there's a world outside your tv. go explore it, and you'll hear for yourself what the Nation is saying.

[Ardee]

46. self importance is not REAL importance

It is rather telling that you post such screed and hyperbole and then disappear....typical I might venture, of you neoconservative losers.

The media is a propaganda machine and you obviously suck it right up....well too bad for you but do not expect those who take the time to fact check and think things through to buy in to your sophomoric world view.

If you are hell bent on becoming the Republican Party then go and join the damn thing (or are you already one?)......

[FlaGranny]

50. Placebo

"a : (1) : a medication prescribed more for the mental relief of the patient than for its actual effect on a disorder (2) : an inert or innocuous substance used especially in controlled experiments testing the efficacy of another substance (as a drug) b : something tending to soothe"

[Ardee]

53. hey, hey

Thanks for the smile, FlaGranny...As the grandfather of 12 (Caligrandpa)I needed that this AM ;-)...I guess that poster might consider changing that sobriquet to Poison Pill......

[FlaGranny]

56. Happy it gave you a chuckle.

I got my big chuckle this morning when I saw the picture of Bush trying to push his way through a doorway, so as not to be behind Clinton.

[Ardee]

57. Not as funny

Was Clinton's statement, during the opening celebration of his library,that he liked and admired Bush and Kerry both . When will these damnable democrats inderstand that Bush sees politeness as weakness and, despite any efforts at bipartisanship will not keep his word and will always go for the jugular....

[RevCheesehead]

62. I believe that was in the form of a question:

Clinton: "Am I the only person who likes both George W. Bush and John Kerry?"

My answer (when I first heard it): Yeah, probably.

[Ardee]

71. Now Rev. dont nitpick

You are correct in your recollection and I simply shook my head as I was already very aware of Clinton's conservative nature.

[retread]

55. Ok. Already done!! Meanwhile keep your head in that cesspool

called "mainstream" media. Do me a favor and pull your head out every once in a while and tell me if it still stinks!

[Zhade]

58. Well, it's not like you're actually getting news from the SCLM.

NT!

[LibertyorDeath]

60. "Go Ahead, Seal Yourself Off From The Media, And Go Radical Left"

Good advice Thanks!

" isn't going to win any elections" What fucking elections might they be Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia wake up & smell the Fraud.

E voting machines with unverifiable votes yeah that sounds like
a great idea should be no problems there.

Give your head a shake. America is turning into a
Corporatist shit hole right in front of your eyes.

The vast majority of MSM is Corporatist propaganda Shite.
The entire planet is laughing at MS American media & it's lies.

Tell you what you can be our designated watcher since you seem so keen on the MSM.

Faux
CNN
NBC
ABC
MSNBC
CBS

You keep track of the bubbling pot of Shit stew these wankers dish out everyday & report back when they start telling some verifiable truth.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

61. "Know thy enemy"

Just because I dig deeper to find out what's being left out of the mainstream media doesn't mean I'm gonna stick my head in the sand.

It would be unwise to ignore the stories, soundbites and spins the corporate media markets to the masses. Doesn't mean I have to capitulate and go along with it, y'know. ;)

[Dr Fate]

64. I have watched TV news about 5 or 6 times in the past 3 years.

I boycotted that propaganda long ago...

BUT- I have to admit, I do follow what they are saying through the filter at DU- I read the transcripts many times as well...

I feel just as informed if I read newspaper articles, transcripts, interviews & such- I dont need to watch hours of television news to be a good Democrat...

[depakid]

65. What's unrealistic is doing the same STUPID things

over and over and over and expecting a different result.

You can't pander to the right- you can't play DLC and shoot for the swing voters and expect to win elections. You can't run a Dukakis style campign and expect to win the presidency.

After all these years of losing, losing, losing- what more evidence do you need?

"A word to the wise ain't necessary. It's the stupid ones that need the advice." ~Bill Cosby

[PhuLoi]

66. Thanks, don't mind if I do. nt

[deutsey]

67. This place is really becoming pathetic.

Let's see, how can I mischaracterize the views of those with whom I don't agree?

Aaah, forget it. I'm sure I can find something better to do with my time.

[neverforget]

68. I'm not watching the news or cable so I can survive these next 4

years. I'm sick of the fellating of Bush and Republicans by the media and I'm REALLY sick of paying $45/month for shitty cable programming.

[deutsey]

69. Check out The Nation and www.democracynow.org

Very good sources of news and progressive thought.

Go to Buzzflash.com for a variety of news sources.

Believe it or not, you don't have to get your news from corporate sources.

[ret5hd]

70. is this the same placebo that can't...

get along with his dad well enough to even order dinner? just sayin...

:evilgrin:

[okieinpain]

72. so let's see, the dems have how many seats in the senate and house

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

73. Hey Placebo

think about this for a second: the media whores aren't worried about being debunked or shown to be liars, if they were they would have closed up shop long ago.

What they are MOST worried about is not being a ping on anyone's radar.

What exactly is added to your comprehension of the issues by listening to their inane chatter?

I know EXACTLY what's going on in the world, I read about it in LBN and on websites I trust. Also foreign media sources.

So tell me, what of value do I add by listening to the right wing media whores on TV chatter on?

Instead, my head is clear, I can hear my own thoughts the loudest, and their inane "arguments" (or what they think passes for arguments) are not clouding my vision.

I have never felt better, actually. And I've done what they fear the most: turned them OFF.

[liveoaktx]

74. I don't want to boycott all news media-just the RW propaganda channels

That still leaves, for television media, Democracy Now, and Cspan. And absolutely leaves all print and internet media which provides opportunity for thought and discussion, unlike tv which only beams out at the passive audience.