Is the Democratic Party divided ?

[kentuck]

If so, how serious do you think it is ? Are we in denial about the division? Is it going to get worse? What do you foresee for the future?

[Shoeempress]

1. Yea two sides, those who hate Chimpy and those who really hate chimpy.

[Cary]

2. LOL

I don't hate Chimpy. I hate the meat axe he and his meat axe buddies use to bust up all the things that made us the greatest nation the world has ever known.

I hate it that they're so f%@(ing stupid that they don't know what they're destroying.

[Leilani]

5. LOL!!!

That's good!

[greenohio]

3. Apparently. Lefties say they're voting green unless we move left of kerry

Moderates get attacked as freepers.

[willysnout]

10. Let 'Em Go Green

I have to laugh when I hear appeals to move left to attract the Greens back to the party. Democrats don't owe shit to Greens or Naderites. They can go live on a commune together for all I care.

[foreigncorrespondent]

25. Tell me...

"Let 'Em Go Green"

Will you still say that when you learn that the majority of people saying they are going to head over to the Green camp are gay?

Now I am sure your next question is why are the gays pulling out? Simple, go back over posts for the last few weeks and you will find out that it was the gay community who were blamed for Kerry's loss, right here on DU.

[Forkboy]

29. willy and green

peas in a pod.

[Speck Tater]

4. The democratic party has ALWAYS been divided...

... into about 372 different factions. We are nothing more than a loose coalition of groups each with our own agenda and special pet issues. The right wing has always been a wing. The left wing has always been a bag of feathers.

[moondust]

7. The party of diversity.

I much prefer that to the party of mindless fascism.

Anytime you have diversity there will be disagreement, and the more diversity the more disagreement. Dem is the big tent that serves ALL Americans. Republicans on the other hand are "united" largely in their lack of diversity, perhaps even their common struggle against diversity. Never mind their overt tokenism in the interest of fooling minority voters.

[Sandpiper]

6. Yes it is

And I foresee more defeats until the party finds its voice again.

[Old and In the Way]

8. In today's political environment?

Really, what is the choice? I'm sure if Republicans cleave, then something similar might happen in the Democratic Party. Right now we have 2 things most of us can agree on:

1) The Repblican Party is destroying this country and
2) The voting system needs to get fixed

Everything else is secondary and, frankly, irrelevant.

[blm]

9. I see 57 million Dems voting FOR Kerry and AGAINST Bush scares BushInc.

They will do everything they can, plant any story, and spin any report against the Dems and any leader in the Dem party.

Expect them to pour fuel on any spark they can turn into a blaze.

[DELUSIONAL]

11. "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"

Will Rodgers, democrat, Comedian and part Cherokee

This open tent of the democrats is both the strength and weakness of the democratic party.

Rove is using this against us -- today Rove is bragging about all the diverse groups who gave bush his "landslide".

But we KNOW that Rove is lying WE know that the votes were padded in bush's favor -- (1) exit polls tell a different story, (2) all errors were in bushie's favor -- this is statistically IMPOSSIBLE.

Rove is working hard to demoralize the democratic party with lies.

Somehow we need to figure out how to combat Rove's psyops against the democrats.

For me personally -- the democratic leaders have left me by their election of Harry gopig light Reid as minority leader of the Senate. So I'm a Liberal Independent. LIBERAL IS A GOOD WORD. Democrats need to return to their base -- and not follow Rove's pysOps.

[Goldeneye]

12. No

The only ones saying we are divided are the right wingers...and their media hacks.

[Gman]

13. You mean the Democratic party is not normally divided?

That's news to me in my over 30 years of being active in this party. Then I wonder where I got all these battle scars from!

[LimpingLib]

14. Divided means chopped into pieces (or 2 halfs)

Id say we are more or less just infested with a deadly virus.

Our party is the DLCs petri dish.

May we discover a cure that doesnt kill us in the process.

The body turns up the heat to kill inpuritys.

Our temperature needs to go up to about 105% to boil all the crap out. WE will be sick perhaps through an election or 2 but hopefully we survive.

Frankly had we bit the pill in 2000 and 2004 then 2008 would be the year we finally win. Now we are looking at 2012 or 2016 thansk to the DLC and like minded diseases.

[graywarrior]

15. Just check out the arguments on this board

Looks to me like sometimes DU is as divided as the Dems.

[theboss]

16. No more than usual

We've always been a party of large and varied consituencies. In truth, what always held us together was power. Since we're not in power, the fault lines are exposed.

In fact, that's a great idea for it's own topic.

[Warpy]

17. Pro DLC and anti DLC

The former don't think the party has gone far enough to the right to steal voters from the GOP; the later think going to the right is a stupid mistake and that given a choice between real GOP and DLC GOP-lite, people will vote for the real thing.

That the latter position has been borne out in the last 3 election is lost on the former group, who cling to the fiction of raiding a party of religious zelots and selfish plutocrats to obtain a majority.

Insanity can be defined as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome than the one you keep getting.

[JohnKleeb]

18. among the rank and file, I dont see it

[Mojambo]

19. Perpetually, yes. n/t

[shesemsmom]

20. Ha, I've been working with them closely for more than 10 years

were they ever together.Most disorganized bunch I ever saw. I do what I need to do and just tell them to get out of my way. It works fine for me. lol

[kentuck]

21. I think those that don't see it are deluding themselves....

It's real. It's not the same as in the past. The Democratic Party will change or die. That is the choice.

[LimpingLib]

22. The difference is that we are at electoral parity now 269-269.

Havnt had the fundamental advantage since the 40s.

WEll , tie not advantage but its nice that momentum is on our side.

[Harlan James]

23. I don't think so

You're always going to have the guilt trip crowd trying to get people to align with their narrow agendas, but in the end they don't amount to much.

[w4rma]

24. I think it's pretty united, right now. I also think that the Republican

Party is alot more divided than they appear to be. I think we'll see those divisions widen now that Repugs can't blame Dems for *anything* at all.

I also think that's darn good considering the WHOLE of big media has been fighting against the Democratic Party with their enormous funds for the past 12+ years.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

28. Festering splinter in the Republican party...take advantage Dems

I am a moderate Republican (sorry) but am obviously alienated from my own party or I wouldn't be typing here, right? I found Kerry to be intelligent, honorable and articulate...I voted FOR Kerry not just against Bush.

As far as I'm concerned, the far right evangelicals can have the Republican party while we moderates look to the Democrats or just become Independents. The Republicans may look like they're in "lock-step" in the media but there is a huge splinter that will fester as Bush&Co pander to the religious zealots.

I'm only staying Republican so I can vote AGAINST Santorum in the PA primary (have to vote in the party of registration in PA primaries).

Stay together, Dems...you're the only hope.

[ZombieNixon]

32. Gracias, ModRepub.

We need more of you. Beat Santorum.

[foreigncorrespondent]

26. Yes their is a division in the party.

And yes, it will get worse when the repukes end up stealing the '06 election as well.

A lot of people are wanting to move the party more to the right in order to pick up fundamentalist votes. Why? I have no idea, because no matter how far to the right we move, we will never get those votes, period.

[robbedvoter]

27. Those who study the new reality (Moral values BS), and those who

know we won and need to save the democracy...

[Forkboy]

30. It's been there for awhile

Yet another loss is just bringing it to a head.

Best thing that could happen to the Dems.

[mmonk]

31. Yes, the Democratic wing of the Democratic party

and the DLC repub lite wing.