Did Clinton get more than 50% of the vote in any "red states"

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

IF he did, I will gladly back off. Otherwise, I contend that were it not for Ross Perot, we would have seen the divide we see much sooner than we did. I think those that espouse the THIRD way mistakenly believe THAT is what elected him..when in fact, dividing Republicans elected him.

I also hear people touting his 68% approval rating when he left office...was that rating divvied up amonst the states? Anyone got figures that would equally distribute that rating amongst states we lost?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Arkansas in 92' and 96'. Louisiana in 96'.

Nevada in 96'

New Hampshire in 96'

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. edited..incorrect info

sorry

[Kammer]

11. Wrong

In 1992 in Arkansas Clinton received 53.21% of the vote.
In 1996 in Arkansas Clinton received 53.74% of the vote.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Arkansas went with Bill both times he ran

and 82% of possible voters voted in '92, highest turnout in the state's history.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Arkansas in 92 was C 43, B 37, P19 ..Kerry got a higher percentage of ARk

George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 61,060,947 50.90% 286 53.16%
John Kerry John Edwards Democratic 57,741,634 48.13% 252 46.84%
Ralph Nader Peter Camejo Independent 426,499 0.36% 0 0.00%
Michael Badnarik Richard Campagna Libertarian 392,643 0.33% 0 0.00%
Other (+)

92
William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 44,909,806 43.01% 370 68.77%
George Bush J. Danforth Quayle Republican 39,104,550 37.45% 168 31.23%
H. Ross Perot James Stockdale Independent 19,743,821 18.91% 0 0.00%
Andre Marrou Nancy Lord Libertarian 290,087 0.28% 0 0.00%
Other (+) - - 375,659 0.36% 0 0.00%
Map Key

In 96 Clinton did dlightly better than Kerry or Gore

William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 47,400,125 49.23% 379 70.45%
Robert Dole Jack Kemp Republican 39,198,755 40.72% 159 29.55%
H. Ross Perot Pat Choate Reform 8,085,402 8.40% 0 0.00%
Ralph Nader Winona LaDuke Green 685,297 0.71% 0 0.00%
Harry Browne Jo Jorgensen Libertarian 485,798 0.50% 0 0.00%
Other


But Kerry STILL got more voters to the polls..check out the numbers

[DCal]

22. Clinton DID get over 50% in Arkansas in 92 and 96

Arkansas 92 results:

Clinton: 505,823 (53.21%)
Bush: 337,324 (35.48%)
Perot: 99,134 (10.43%)

Arkansas 96 results:

Clinton: 475,171 (53.74%)
Dole: 325,416 (36.80%)
Perot: 69,884 (7.90%)

Your Clinton 43, Bush 37, Perot 19 numbers are national numbers, not Arkansas numbers.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. Yeah I copied wrong numbers..

got it...still...many of the contested states Clinton took he benefitted from Perot..as I pointed out above..Kerry performed better in California than Clinton

[Cheswick2.0]

3. I agree

I think he won because of Perot and because he was Clinton, charming and compeling.
His approval ratings may have been above 50 percent in red states when he left office..but it would have been because people got sick of him being attacked. It was not because of his "centrist" politics.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. Helll..compare Bill Clinton's California in 92 and 96 and Kerry's

Presidential
Candidate Vice Presidential
Candidate Political
Party Popular Vote Electoral Vote
William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 5,121,325 46.01% 54
George Bush J. Danforth Quayle Republican 3,630,574 32.61% 0
H. Ross Perot James Stockdale Independent 2,296,006 20.63% 0
Andre Marrou Nancy Lord Libertarian 48,139 0.43% 0
Other (+) - - 35,677 0.32%


William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 47,400,125 49.23% 379 70.45%
Robert Dole Jack Kemp Republican 39,198,755 40.72% 159 29.55%
H. Ross Perot Pat Choate Reform 8,085,402 8.40% 0 0.00%
Ralph Nader Winona LaDuke Green 685,297 0.71% 0 0.00%
Harry Browne Jo Jorgensen Libertarian 485,798 0.50% 0 0.00%
Other


Presidential
Candidate Vice Presidential
Candidate Political
Party Popular Vote Electoral Vote
Albert Gore Jr. Joseph Lieberman Democratic 5,861,203 53.45% 54
George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 4,567,429 41.65% 0
Ralph Nader Winona LaDuke Green 418,707 3.82% 0
Harry Browne Art Olivier Libertarian 45,520 0.42% 0
Patrick Buchanan Ezola Foster Reform 44,987 0.41% 0
Other



Candidate Vice Presidential
Candidate Political
Party Popular Vote Electoral Vote
John Kerry John Edwards Democratic 6,385,191 54.53% 55
George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 5,188,634 44.31% 0
Michael Badnarik Richard Campagna Libertarian 47,264 0.40% 0
David Cobb Patricia LaMarche Green 38,046 0.32%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. The Cali Numbers In 96 Add Up To 110%

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I believe Clinton got 60% in Cali 96 in a three man race which is nothing less than awesome...

Same for NY...

[lessthanjake]

6. He won these

Arkansas in 92
Arkansas, Louisiana, Iowa, West Virginia in 96

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Yes..but he won with the benefit of Perot splitting the vote

In all the states you mention..take Perot out and figure out where the votes MAY have gone.

[TwilightZone]

15. Perhaps you should do the same.

Perot didn't get enough votes in '96 in IA, LA, WV, or AR to swing the result, even if every, single Perot voter voted for Dole.

Which, of course, they wouldn't have.

[Zynx]

37. The evidence is that it would have split only slightly for Dole.

[TwilightZone]

7. I'm not sure what 50% of the vote has to do with anything.

Clinton barely got 50% in California in '96.

[TwilightZone]

9. Louisiana.

52% in '96 for Clinton.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. concede the point

[sandnsea]

12. You're right

People forget. John Kerry did better than any Democrat since JFK & LBJ.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. If people stepped back..Kerry actually HELPED the party in several

states

[greenohio]

18. I thought shrub raised his percentage of the vote in just

about every state? Is this not true?

[JohnKleeb]

40. he did in my county and my county is practically a state

[Kammer]

16. Perot got more votes than Abraham Lincoln.

Comparing different elections means nothing.

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. Jimmy Carter got more electoral votes and a higher percentage of the

popular vote in 1976.

[sandnsea]

20. brain freeze

Don't know how in the world I forgot 1976, really don't. First time I voted!!

[Kammer]

23. Clinton

Clinton received 49.23% of the vote in 1996 and 379 electoral votes.

[sandnsea]

25. He barely won

With Dole & Perot, Clinton only had a 200,000 vote margin and that was an incumbent President against an awful candidate. I like Bill Clinton fine, but I also think if we rely on his "wins" as evidence to the direction the party ought to go, we're making a big mistake. He didn't win by a convincing margin.

[TwilightZone]

26. Huh? Clinton beat Dole by over 8,000,000 votes.

If that isn't a convincing margin, I'm not sure what is.

Not all of Perot's votes would have gone to Dole. Exit polls suggested about 2/1, which still would have left Clinton with a comfortable win of more than a couple million.

[sandnsea]

30. He didn't get 50% even

An incumbent President against Dole. Kerry did better in this election, against an incumbent President during a war that Republicans actually liked and liked alot. That's the truth, like it or not.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. What's The Truth...

The truth is that Clinton won twice, both times by Electoral College landslides....

[sandnsea]

41. Against a lame and split ticket

That's the truth. No telling what would have happened without those two factors. And he never carried 50% of the vote. It's a mistake to think Clinton has some magical solution for Democrats winning. He would have had a hell of a time if he ran the same race in 1992 under 2004 circumstances. In fact, he would have lost and if the Gennifer Flowers scandal had came out in a 2004 Clinton v. Bush election, Clinton would have lost by a bigger margin than Kerry did.

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. Clinton 49% Dole 40%

The vote margin in the popular vote was over 8 million votes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. the colors on that map are wrong...

what's blue and what's red...

In 96 Cali and FL were the same color-blue...

[Freddie Stubbs]

46. The webmaster of that site has been using blue for GOP for many years now

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Even If He Used Different Colors

The same candidate won FL and CA in 96...

Bill Clinton...

[dsc]

33. That is patently false

Jimmy Carter won with 51% of the vote in 1976, and Gore had 49.5% both of which are more than 48%. Clinton also beat Kerry's percentage with his 96 showing. In terms of margin of loss Humphrey did better in 68 though he didn't get as high a percentage as Kerry did.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I Believe Gore Didn't Reach 49% In 96

but he did get a higher percent of the pop vote than Kerry...

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[Darranar]

17. Ross Perot hurt both sides - but Clinton won because he had charisma...

If Clinton won merely because of the Third Way, the Congressional races of the past eight years would have been better for the Democrats, as would have the last two Presidential elections.

[Yupster]

21. My take on Perot in 1992

I think Perot clearly made the difference in the states of Colorado, Georgia, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire and Ohio.

Also, without Perot, the races in Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine and Wisconsin would have been razor close. Bush perhaps would have won one or two of them.

All in all, no Perot would have made a much closer race and a map looking very similar to taday's but I'm pretty confident Clinton would have won anyway.

On edit, I'm completely confident that there was no state that Clinton lost that he would have won were it not for Perot. So, while Perot I'm sure took votes from both, the hurt only went one way. Unless someone's going to argue that Clinton would have won Montana even if Perot was not in the race.

[greenohio]

28. He would have if he was HOWARD DEAN.

dean will save the party. The good doctor is in.

[Zomby Woof]

35. the idiot couldn't even win the primaries

Obviously, you posted that for comedic value. It worked.

[Cheswick2.0]

44. as opposed to the idiot you supported who ended up with less

delegates than Dean even though he ran right up until the convention?

:evilgrin:

[Cheswick2.0]

42. true

[leyton]

29. Keep in mind that Clinton was incredibly popular in office.

Reagan won every single state at least once with convincing margins, yet Clinton's popularity ratings during the actual term of office were higher than Reagan's, despite the GOP throwing everything they could at him. Clinton was a more popular President than Ronald Reagan ever was.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. peace and prosperity is a tough ticket to beat (nt)

[fujiyama]

39. '96 was a low turnout

low interest election.

I remember, I was 15 and I was visiting my relatives abroad during that summer and they asked me who would win. With no hesistation I said Clinton. Keep in mind I was not very much in tune with politics at the time. It just seemed so unlikely Dole would even make it a contest.

Sure enough Clinton did kick his ass in the end - and this time Perot was definetely not a factor. Usually times of peace and prosperity don't produce high interest elections. High interest elections occur at times like this - times of war, conflict, and extreme polarization. It should be no surprise that this election had the highest interest and turnout since '68. I didn't live back then, but as I see the events unfolding today, I feel as though I am witnessing many of the same things that happened over 30 years ago (of course without the draft).

[ScreamingMeemie]

38. I think the fact that Bill Clinton was ready and able to answer attacks

against him with a 24 hour response is what won him the presidency. He never let accusations fester and propagate. This was also his opinion on how Kerry could run a successful campaign when interviewed after the DNC in July.

[fujiyama]

49. Yeah especially in '92

He was ready to reply to every attack. Instead what we saw this summer was the Kerry campaign completely disappearing for a matter of weeks when the Swift Boat controversy broke out. By the time they had the Clinton people (Carville, Lockheart, etc) back on the campaign it was too late - though to their credit they were able to make up some ground.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

47. You know what I remembered in the middle of a concert this evening?

Iowa went red this time, but in 1988 it went for Dukakis. I specifically recall, this because a teaching colleague had just moved to Oregon from Iowa, and after the election, I said to him, "It looks like we both come from intelligent states."

[ISUGRADIA]

48. And another thing about Iowa in 1988

it was Dukakis' second best state in the nation with 55% of the vote...#1?

It was West Virginia, another red 2004 state. Dukakis got 56% of the voter there.

Things do change.