I've heard that GWB laughs at evangelicals

[madison2000]

when he is in the company of his billionaire friends/donors. Has anyone else heard this or have a link to a story on it?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I just know

that he doesn't attend church. Something about 'security'-but I don't hear abouthim having services in the WH either.

[progdonkey]

11. he does now...

Just in the past month or two, there has been a stream of photos and news stories showing Bush entering and leaving multiple churches. I don't recall seeing a single picture of him leaving a church before August, yet now there are hundreds. I'm guessing the rumors about him not attending church hit a little close to the truth (I wonder why?), and Rove told him to get his ass to a church.

[Raster]

2. I wouldn't doubt it. $hrub mocked Karla Faye Tucker as she sat on...

Death Row. He's as smarmy as the day is long and the prototypical rich boy/spoiled brat, self-absorbed smartass.

[tandot]

3. the only thing Bush wanted was their vote

They really think he gives a f*ck about them. Delusional ignorant morons.

[spooky3]

25. They only want him to do their bidding, so it works both ways.

I'm sure they care nothing for him personally--the moment he slips up in their eyes, and they think they can get their agenda implemented by supporting someone else, they will.

[madison2000]

4. I'm sure he's just using them

Its not like you see his wife and daughters ever mentioning anything religious. His girls seem to be more party oriented than religious! But when I post this argument on news messageboards it seems like something no one has heard before. I would love it if there were an actual clip or quote of him making fun of them and I could post it.

[Starlight]

16. His daughters are a couple of drunken party hoes...

They wouldn't know morals or religion if it bit em in the ass.

[WMliberal]

5. i don't doubt it.

i personally believe he's a country club conservative first. The rest is just a feint to get more votes.

[enki23]

6. they don't care if he's using them

they only care that he throws them more ideological bones than kerry would have. that's all that matters to the fucking pinheads, and all that ever will.

[Dr Fate]

15. I know. The Republican Pty. cannot be divided.

DUers who think we can divide them are wrong, I think.

The so-called social moderates are perfectly willing to sweep the heart & soul of the pty under the rug-cuz they care much less about being civil libertarians than they claim- so long as they can hug their dollars...

...while the Holy Rollers-(at least their leaders)- know exactly what is going on too. All they want is a bone or two...

[coreystone]

7. May any of you would care to listen to Guy talking about some...

of the "moral" issues as they relate to Bush's supporters.
The Guy James Show: http://www.theguyjamesshow.com/


"Hey guys and gals, we may be a little down right now but we're certainly not out. We're going to prove it today with a wild show exposing the hypocrites for what they really are. Sorry if you live in a Red state but we're going for the throat today on some of them. I hope the Confederate flag waving, pick-up truck with the guy rack, yee ha guys listen in today because they'll get an earful.

After all the immoral crap that went on in Washington this past week those bible thumpers have no right to claim the moral high ground and we're going to talk about that fact.

Call in toll-free at 1-888-602-7500, 7501, 7502, 7503, 7504 or locally at 239-479-5540. Tune in at 1200 am WPTK Ft.Myers Florida or listen live on the net at www.theguyjamesshow.com
Bring a friend and have some fun with us today. Call in on the topic. We're very close to getting somewhere with the show so help make this a great one.

Guy

www.theguyjamesshow"

[Old and In the Way]

8. Does he act religious and compassionate in his public policy?

Why anyone would believe his lying rhetoric is beyond me. Actually, it is the RW religious leaders like Falwaell and Robertson that help prop this hypocrite up....because he's real god for their business.

Bust Bush's religious veneer and you bust every RW fundie preacher who supports him.

[Mz Pip]

9. Then I really hope he

screws them over big time. The Religious Right has great hopes for Bush's second term. I would love to see him disappoint them. I would think that what they want and what his big moneyed friends and donors want might just be a bit incompatible.

Like stem cell research. There's billions to me made off of that endeavor. So what's it gonna be George? Billions in potential profit for the healthcare industry or continuing with the "Save the frozen unborn eggs!" mantra that has no profit value what-so-ever.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[blackangrydem]

20. I don't think they'll feel like they've been screwed.

The fundies, that is. They will get a more conservative court that will endure for decades. That will satisfy most of them.

[Zhade]

10. Ugh, I have something in common with that traitor.

Oh well, at least I'm not hypocritically using them for my own ends.

Need a shower now...

[madfloridian]

12. And in the company of fellow governors, he criticized them.

From the review of "You Have the Power"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6088976/
SNIP.." I hadn't started out a Bush-basher. In fact, I'd been predisposed to like George Bush. I knew him personally and had dealt with him professionally when we were both governors. He'd always been charming and hospitable to me and my family, both in the Governor's Mansion in Texas and at the White House. He'd always been more than upright in the business dealings between our states, keeping his word when he had no legal obligation to do so. What I knew of his record in Texas bespoke a moderate man who was willing to put pragmatism before ideology, to raise taxes when necessary to equalize state education spending, and to take some heat from the right wing of his party for doing so. ("I hate those people," he'd once snarled at me when I ribbed him at a White House governors' gathering about some trouble he was having in Texas with the Christian Coalition.)"

There is a lot here in this review, and an excellent video of a Lauer/Dean interview.

[madison2000]

17. Excellent!

Thank you! :toast:

[Contrary1]

18. I'm gonna go ou on a limb here

and predict that the responses to your post
will be something like:

"But that was before he found the Lord."

"I don't believe our president would have ever said that."

"There is no limit to how low you liberals will stoop."

"Yeah, but Clinton got BJ's in the Oval Office."

[madison2000]

19. If he said it when he was governor

that was long after he supposedly found the Lord. And his refusal to show mercy to Karla Faye Tucker when she begged to have her life spared so she could spend the rest of her life doing prison ministry was after he supposedly found the Lord.

Bush gets along with some of the leaders of the evangelicals because they are truly more political than they are religious. Lock him in the room with some really religious folks for awhile and he'll be climbing the walls. He can't keep up the act for more than a few minutes.

I wonder if these people will figure it out at some point and be just as vocal about how USED they feel.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

13. He really needs to have an A Face in the Crowd moment (SPOILER ALERT)

For those of you who haven't seen the movie, a rightwing media demagogue, played by Andy Griffith (yes, that Andy Griffith!) gets his come-uppance when a microphone is left on at the wrong time.

[LibDemAlways]

26. That movie was way before its time

and very prophetic.

Today, however, chimp can get away with anything- calling Adam Clymer of the NY Times a "major league asshole" comes to mind - because the whore press dismisses it and the fundie nutcases have been conditioned not to care. All that matters is that he's not Clinton.

[opihimoimoi]

14. Bush and the Religious Right form higher strength levels.

Strength through numbers. They have formed a symbiotic relationship of sorts that is quite formidable as we just found out for the 3rd time.

The only thing to defeat this is with a Force more powerful than they are. The Grass Roots have this Power and sooner than later, this Force will defeat the BushCo's.

There is no new shiny White Knight to look up to. That is old hat but we don't know it. We need a new awareness that the Pubs are driven by a passion so strong, they actually reject/deny facts and figures. The Big Picture shows they are counter productive for the masses and for the Planet.

The new Force, should it rear its head, will win over the Pubs with sheer numbers. This will be accomplished with a new Grass Roots movement that has not yet been formed....

[montieg]

21. Call them FUNDAMENTALISTS--not evangelicals n/t

[laheina]

22. The whole "evangelical" label is just spin away from

what they really are.

[journalist3072]

23. Wouldn't be surprised.

Remember Karla Faye Tucker? She was a woman on death row in Texas, and Bush allowed her execution to go forth. Remember he made fun of Karla Faye Tucker, one of the women he set to the death chamber in Texas. She pleaded for clemency, and said she was a borne again Christian.

Republican presidential candidate Gary Bauer criticized Gov. George W. Bush Tuesday for making fun of an executed Texas woman in an interview Bush gave to Talk magazine.
"I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death," Bauer said of Bush.

Bush is portrayed in Talk as ridiculing pickax killer Karla Faye Tucker of Houston for an interview she did with CNN broadcaster Larry King shortly before she was executed last year. Just before her execution date, Tucker appealed for clemency on the grounds that she had become a born-again Christian.

" `Please,' Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, `don't kill me,' "

[madison2000]

24. The Tucker execution was the first time I heard of GWB

and it has stayed in my mind for years.

Before living in Wisconsin I lived in Illinois, which had the death penalty. Governor George Ryan agonized over the knowledge that innocent people had been put to death in Illinois and he eventually put a moratorium on executions. Ryan treated this issue with the seriousness it deserves.

If there were innocent people being put to death in Illinois because of inadequate representation can you imagine what its like in Texas?

And Bush never looked into the cases or showed mercy to anyone while he was governor. And he calls himself pro-life and gets all morally indignant over stem cells!

[journalist3072]

27. You're Right...and Here's Something Else to Think About....

When Alberto Gonzales was then Governor Bush's legal adviser, and he prepared memos to Bush about the cases before him (i.e. when someone on death row sent a petition for clemency to Bush) Gonzales left out critical information, such as evidence of the person's innocence, a racially biased jury, etc. Gonzales left that info out; he didn't tell Shrub.

[fujiyama]

28. Well he did mock Carla Faye

before she was executed.

I don't think he cares about anyone.

Not that I myself give a shit for these theocratic fundy nutcases.