Is John Kerry officially done for the count

[urbanguerrilla]

or is there still life to the recount process?

I have a feeling this generation will become like the post-war Germans.

[shraby]

1. Read Keith Olbermann's blog

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/>

He mentions Kerry in it.

[ClassWarrior]

2. Got this from him in email on Friday. See what you think...

Dear (CW),

I want to thank you personally for what you did in the election -- you rewrote the book on grassroots politics, taking control of campaigns away from big donors. No campaign will ever be the same.

You moved voters, helped hold George Bush accountable, and countered the attacks from big news organizations such as Fox, Sinclair Broadcasting, and conservative talk radio.

And your efforts count now more than ever. Despite the words of cooperation and moderate sounding promises, this administration is planning a right wing assault on values and ideals we hold most deeply. Healthy debate and diverse opinion are being eliminated from the State Department and CIA, and the cabinet is being remade to rubber stamp policies that will undermine Social Security, balloon the deficit, avoid real reforms in health care and education, weaken homeland security, and walk away from critical allies around the world.

Regardless of the outcome of this election, once all the votes are counted -- and they will be counted -- we will continue to challenge this administration. This is not a time for Democrats to retreat and accommodate extremists on critical principles -- it is a time to stand firm.

I will fight for a national standard for federal elections that has both transparency and accountability in our voting system. It's unacceptable in the United States that people still don't have full confidence in the integrity of the voting process.

I ask you to join me in this cause.

And we must fight not only against George Bush's extreme policies -- we must also uphold our own values. This is why on the first day Congress is in session next year, I will introduce a bill to provide every child in America with health insurance. And, with your help, that legislation will be accompanied by the support of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

There are more than eight million uninsured children in our nation.

That's eight million reasons for us to stay together and fight for a new direction. It is a disgrace that in the wealthiest nation on earth, eight million children go without health insurance.

Normally, a member of the Senate will first approach other senators and ask them to co-sponsor a bill before it is introduced -- instead, I am turning to you. Imagine the power of a bill co-sponsored by hundreds of thousands of Americans being presented on the floor of the United States Senate. You can make it happen. Sign our "Every Child Protected" pledge today and forward it to your family, friends, and neighbors:

http://johnkerry.com/EveryChild

This is the beginning of a second term effort to hold the Bush administration accountable and to stand up and fight for our principles and our values. They want you to disappear; they are counting on that. I'm confident you will prove them wrong, and you will rewrite history again.

Here is what I want you to know. I understand the strength, commitment, and passion that are at the core of what we built together -- and I am determined to make our collective energy and organization a force to be reckoned with in the weeks and months ahead.

Let's roll up our sleeves and get back to work for our country.

Thank you,

John Kerry

I think he's still with us. How about you?

NGU.

[clydefrand]

3. I don't think he has ever left us. He's just regrouping and

studying the issues and getting his weapons oiled up. I don't see how he could do anything beyond what he is doing. I, too, got the same email. It's comforting to know that he says the votes will be counted. But what about the "outcome" of this election??

[noamnety]

4. 17,000 Kerry lawyers working on it

according to Keith's blog.

And I am never going to make another lawyer joke so long as I live.

[Placebo]

5. Anyone who thinks this election isn't over is a fool.

Plain and simple.

Don't lets touch voting irregularities and recounts, George W. Bush will be inaugurated President for a second time on January 20th.

[MrModerate]

19. Not quite . . .

Anyone's who's COUNTING on this election not being over is a fool.

However, the jury's still out, many of us who don't wear tinfoil are pretty sure the thugs stole it again, and it's hard to believe that such a trail (if real) won't be found.

If they can overturn the counts, expect a firestorm -- but a firestorm that the press would LOVE to fan the flames of.

I say, hang tough. The worst has already happened -- Bush appears to have won. Anything short of that is gravy.

[greenohio]

21. Even if there was fraud...

you better be able to take it across the goal line. Anything short of Kerry being sworn in makes us look like idiots.

I'm not saying there wasn't fraud. I just don't see how we can pull this off.

[Cheswick2.0]

25. so election fraud is not important?

Even if we can't win doesn't mean we can't make a case against election fraud and faulty BV machines.

What is it about people always being affraid of how they look? That is why we lost, BTW, because democrats are always worried about how they look.

[greenohio]

31. No fraud is important.

and we need to drop black box voting as I have made threads and posted threads on methods to do just that. How you look determines what you can do. How you look determines how people will vote. Total disregard for pr is naive.

The fact of the matter is , we have a real chance to get rid of black box voting by offering a solution and making a case that it will restore trust to the elections. I just don't see how we have a real chance of making Kerry president at this point.

[Snivi Yllom]

20. im amazed how many are clinging to this

Get ready for another major 'told ya so' when nothing comes of these conspiracy theories.

[comradebillyboy]

6. kerry threw in the towel

next time lets nominate a fighter

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. He might surprise us all.

[merh]

22. Kerry did not throw in the towel, damn it

Even Al Gore conceded after the Nov 2000 election. Kerry is handling this much smarter than Gore did - investigate quietly before evidence can be destroyed - think of a grand jury, a secret body that investigates before returning an indictment accusing someone of a crime.

I am sick of you folks thinking you know what is going on! :argh:

[Jo March]

27. Merh, I'm right there with you

Kerry has more than likely adopted the "Nothing to see here." policy. Just lure the right into thinking that nothing is being done or that what is being done is insignificant so the right won't cover their tracks.

Meanwhile, Kerry goes back to work and doesn't get "Gored" by the press saying that he's undermining the efforts of the troops as they are dying in Iraq, etc.

[merh]

29. How odd that Al Gores name is so appropriate for what

occurred to him in 2000. Even more peculiar, why is Gore so silent :shrug:? Could it be that his experience and anger are being put to good work by those investigating this?

Oh, all you naysayers - Ohio Democratic party is part of the party and the appropriate body to be involved in the investigation. They wouldn't be involved if Kerry was involved!

[Jo March]

30. Gore is a good and honest man.

He's not so savvy on some things but the right turned him into this horrible serial liar. After the selection of 2000, they turned him into a power-hungry man who only cared about getting the Presidency. Ironic, huh?

[merh]

32. Very ironic, since that is not the type of man he is.

:cry:

[IndianaGreen]

35. Yeah, Kerry is such a darned genius

that he threw in the towel less than 24 hours after Edwards promised a fight for every vote. I guess Kerry did that to confuse the repukes. didn't he? A hasty retreat to make the opposition think that he had given up, just to do a 180 and return with guns blazing later on.

Just like his vote for IWR, a vote for war that was not a vote for war but a vote for authority for war, which in reality is a big green light to start the war, except in those cases when one claims that the war vote is not a war vote but an authority for war vote.

:crazy:

[bagimin]

7. as long as he's not DOWN for the count.......

the country will be fine.

[lessthanjake]

9. No you guys arent in reality

Theres no way any fraud will be proven and theres no way the election will be turned around. Thats just fact.

[saracat]

12. Fraud has alredy been proven. And a lot of elections have been overturned.

Seven at least by my count. But whether the presidential election will be overturned is questionable. If it were , I doubt the media or the DLC would let it be known. It contradicts their spin!

[lessthanjake]

36. Fraud has NOT been proven

Come back to the real world here. All there is a couple of coincidences, most of which have logical explanations.

[merh]

24. And you know this how?

:shrug: Just wondering! :silly:

[bobbyboucher]

37. He doesn't know jack shit.

It is quite possible that the whole thing will come down to an inability to claim victory, but there was rampant fraud, rampant disenfranchisement of Dems, etc., that can be verified or triangulated and should be looked into. Unless there are hand recounts and thorough machine audits, then enough proof to convince the trolls is hard to come by.

Anyone speaking in certainties is just plain wrong.

[against all enemies]

10. I saw him on TV yesterday, he had a fork in him.

[merh]

26. And I would love to stick a fork into all of the folks

that keep saying Kerry is done without knowing this for a fact!
:mad:
:nuke:
:argh:

[against all enemies]

33. You better have settings for a few hundred million.

[saracat]

11. No way! Kerry is doing something! This was posted before.

I sent it and the video out to everyone I could. Read bit in Olberman about the Westchester NY paper. Stuff is happening. Buckle your seat belt!

[StopThief]

13. . . . 8. . . .9. . . .10 Ring the bell, it's over.

Those of you who are giving people false hope about the lastelection should be ashamed of yourselves. It's cruel. Let people grieve and move on.

[BamaLefty]

14. Give It Up!

There is NO way that Kerry/Edwards can win. Gosh!

[angrydemocrat]

15. Thats Your Opinion

And opinions are like A$$HOLES everyone has one.

So just because you don't agree doesn't mean everyone at DU agree's with you. GOSH!

[Jo March]

28. Maybe I should "get over it" as well?

I don't think so.

** will probably be sworn in. I am steeling myself to that fact. That does NOT mean that this election wasn't stolen and that I'm pretty damn mad about it.

Fraud should be stopped. The votes should be counted. ** was not elected fair and square. Sorry.

[PlanetBev]

34. I agree, Stop Thief

Enough already. I'm broken-hearted, but I don't want to be on a Goddamed roller coaster anymore.

[bobbyboucher]

38. Then don't play, read other posts.

If you don't want to be involved, don't. Obviously, the consequences of fraud escapes your brain.

[Beetwasher]

16. Post-War Germans????

Actually, we're more like pre-war Germans at this point, watching the fascist's consolidate their power...

[Padraig18]

17. Kerry has moved on.

It's over, folks. Move on, nothing to see...

:eyes:

[autorank]

18. He's taking a dive. Part of that 'lets be reasonable, not negative crap.'

I was a supporter, gave, worked, etc. I do not appreciate my candidate throwing in the towel when there are massive voting irregularities. There are two issues: (a) would the election outcome be different and (b) how bad were the instances of suppression, incompetence, and duplicity. The Kerry people are saying, the outcome wouldn't change and that's it. They, he, should be shouting from the rooftops about suppression, etc. as a real issue. I want my f'ing vote to count. Even if he didn't win (which is a very open question), our votes matter in state and local elections.

Fight for the right to vote and have your vote counted

[Cheswick2.0]

23. very good point

the least he could do after all the money and effort spent on his campaign is make a case against election fraud.