John Kerry and the recount? - are they laying low...

[liberalitch]

so as not to draw too much attention to the "investigation".
In other words... "let them think they're safe, then whammo"

I certainly hope that this is the case,... I hope that kerry lawyers are pushing in ohio and florida....


Do you agree or is it really over?

[Padraig18]

1. He threw in the towel on Nov. 3rd.

Bush will be inaugurated on Jan. 20th, 2005, with Sen. Kerry's blessings. Move on, nothing to see...

:eyes:

[still_one]

2. That is not the point

the point is:

1. Was there fraud
2. Voting must have a paper trail
3. Did people violate the voting act, and if so, where does it lead?

[Padraig18]

3. You asked if it was really over, and did i think Kerry was lying low.

I answered that yes, it's really over and no, he's not lying low. If you wanted other answers, you should have asked other questions.

[still_one]

5. I didn't start the thread, just giving my two cents, not trying to offend

[Padraig18]

9. My apologies.

I didn't notice who I was relying to. Mea culpa, and peace.

:hi:

[still_one]

10. no need to apologize, peace

[madison2000]

4. John Kerry is a very shrewd man

and he's wanted this job all his life.

Don't count him out, he's still playing the game.

[Leilani]

6. I know, he's a chess player

& a strong closer, right?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. Better than that

He's a Jesuit-trained lawyer.

We never quit.

;)

Keep the faith, kids.................

[still_one]

7. yeah real screwd, NOT

in three debates he was asked about the 87 billion "flip flop vote", and NOT ONCE did he answer it adequately, even though there was a good explanation.

When the swift pukes attacked him, he ignored it for weeks

No, he is not so screwd, with all the crap that * has done to this country, Kerry should NOT have lost...

[still_one]

8. The shrewd man when asked during the campaign in Arizonia

if he would have voted the same way on giving * the authority to go into Iraq said he would, that says everything...

[LittleClarkie]

12. And that is?

G'head, say everything. G'head, I dare you. I double-dog dare you.

Would he have given the President the same authority again, he was asked? And to his way of thinking the answer was yes.

I'm starting to see that the thinking on the left is as black and white as the thinking on the right. Kerry hangs out in the gray area. You want the short answer, and he wants to answer an essay question.

[GreenArrow]

16. the correct answer to the question was no

Kerry answered incorrectly.

[bunny planet]

14. Arizonia? Is that anywhere near Freeperville?

[teppesh]

11. Kerry's plans?

I think that Kerry would not be able to challenge the election himself, because of public image. Yeah, I know it might sound ridiculous, but if he did their may be a media backlash.

It is better that the Greens and Libs, call for a recount. It will bring the media out of hiding(because they really do not want to go there, pissing off people too much makes for unhappy consumers)and because Kerry isn't responsible for the recount he can jump in latter without being criticized for "being a sore looser" or some crap like that.

That's the only thing I can come up with.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

26. "media backlash"?????????

Are you kidding?

When was the media anything but vicious to Kerry? He's the last person to fear a 'media backlash.'

It's not over. Keep that in mind, and go read up on how the President is elected. Start with the Constitution, and then follow the votes. You'll be surprised.

And pleased.

[Snivi Yllom]

13. Yes it is over, no he is not laying low.

He lost. L-O-S-T

[ooglymoogly]

15. is he shrewd ? yes. is he laying low ?who knows

was he amBUSHed? yes
was there voter fraud? puuleeeeeeze
i myself have come to the conclusion that if we prove voter fraud it does not matter what kerry is doing. the whole world will know and that is it seems to me to explode this house of cards we are living in and suffering through

[MonkeeMon]

17. Props to you

that's exactly our job. Rattle the ballot boxes and audit the tabulators and if fraud shakes out, then let that house of cards fall where it may.

[American Tragedy]

18. I wish we had final word on it, I'm in limbo here

I feel like somebody told me my child was dead, then reversed themselves and said that he was missing and he might be alive somewhere.

[madison2000]

19. And that's worse than what happened in 2000

because at least then the story was "out there". Now the story is a big secret, or a conspiracy so it makes it that much harder to have hope.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

27. Maybe this will help you to feel better

I'm your lawyer, and you were just charged with first-degree murder.

OK?

Now, do you want me to go out onto the courtroom steps and announce to the whole world exactly what my defense strategy for your case will be?

Of course you don't.

Kerry's silence is telling, as have his two communications since November 3, and don't forget that interesting interjection in his "concession" speech, as well as Elizabeth Edward's Jefferson quote that she posted here at DU.

It's so far from over. Have faith. History is being made, and we'll know when we know.

[American Tragedy]

29. Intellectually I understand that

It's an emotional dilemma, one which has disrupted the grieving process for me. I can't ignore these reports of recounts, but I'm so afraid that I am just grasping at false hope.

I couldn't even watch the concession speech. It was too much.

[sendero]

30. Sir...

.... I agree with every thing you say, but after seeing Dems bend over and take it for 5 years I simply cannot afford the emotional investment required to believe any of it.

I sincerely, sincerely hope you are right, but it's been 3 weeks and frankly if whatever is going to happen doesn't happen pretty soon it is not going to happen, and frankly I don't think it is.

I've never wanted to be so wrong my entire life :(

[Snivi Yllom]

20. the Provisional count is not going Kerry's way

http://www.ohvotesuppression.blogspot.com/

Sunday, November 21, 2004
Summary of provisional ballots count - UPDATED 11/21/04

Current % of provisionals certified (of counties reported):
75%

Current "additional" vote count:
Bush +7,905
Kerry +5,636

[demwing]

21. Small Counties

get finished first. Small counties are most likely rural areas, rural areas favor Bush.

The provisionals were never going to win this for Kerry. The hope was that the provisionals would pull the count close enough to earn Kerry an automatic recount. Now that the recount has bee purchased by the also rans, the provisionals only have to close the gap.

There are numerous anomolies posted in other threads, and Ohio uses punchcards, so there will be paper trails everywhere.

Watch Ohio turn around when the recount happens.

[Snivi Yllom]

22. not gonna happen

to trigger a recount you need to have the margin less thatn 0.5% in Ohio. That's something like 28,000 votes. Even if the margin got that close there is no realistic way to gain 28,000 votes in a recount. In Florida in 2000 there were what, maybe 1000 votes added?

the totals have been updated today

http://www.ohvotesuppression.blogspot.com

Current "additional" vote count:
Bush +12,052
Kerry +8,062

that's a gain for * of 3990 votes.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

28. Why so pessimistic?

It's hardly begun, and there's lots of time before this election is concluded.

Why are you being so negative? Do you know how the process works? Go read up on it, and you'll find out that - right now - there is no winner or loser in the 2004 Presidential election.

Surprised?

[Freddie Stubbs]

23. So Bush is actually getting more of the provisional votes

So much for the theory that the provisional ballots were a aimed mostly at minorities.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

24. It's so far from over

I've maintained here since November 3 that the concession speech - which has absolutely no legal meaning or significance - was Kerry's smartest move.

The election's not over, don't forget. And I'm betting that we're about to see history made in the coming six weeks.

It's so far from over.

[StopThief]

31. You are doing nobody any good. . .

by giving them false hope. It is cruel to play with people's emotions. Let them move on. It is over.

[Flint-oid]

32. It's not over til Jan 6 when Congress counts the electoral votes