My father in law just got an interesting phone call (he's a Vietnam vet)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

He's 61 years old, served three tours of duty in Vietnam and just got a call from an old buddy of his telling him to expect a letter any day now, asking him to report to a post in South Carolina. He retired from the Army in 1986 as a Lt. Col. They apparently want him back.

Now apparently he IS subject to recall, but the chances of it (before now) were slim to none. Laughable chances, really, unless the country were under attack or something REALLY major like that.

The friend who called him just got the letter, too, and was in Vietnam with him. He's absolutely in shock and doesn't know what to do.

My husband's family doesn't know what to think and neither does my father in law. He is not in good health or good shape. What in the world would they want with a 61 year old vet who has been retired for 18 freaking years????

He has contacted his attorney. I apologize this is anecdotal, but it has us terrified. My husband is "only" 36 and has "only" been out eight years.

Is he next? What kind of shit is this???? Can any vets give me any insight into this? For the record, my husband is not part of the IRR, but I think my father in law was (is).

[shoelace414]

1. he only got out less than 20 years ago

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

3. Yeah....

Is that the cutoff? 20 years?

[Walt Starr]

72. Officers are subject to recall for life

Sad fact, but still a fact.

[ElectroPrincess]

80. DAMN! I didn't know that ... thought = 20 year rule.

When my family drives me bonkers, I threaten (jokingly) to get in the car and drive to Canada. One of these upcoming days, I just may be serious. "Check for my PIC on the bulletin board as you enter your local WalMart." <eg>

Resigned in 1985 ... but they wouldn't want an old broad like me back to raise hell. <hope!>

[htuttle]

2. Maybe NOW is the time he should flee to Canada

Ironic, of course, because he didn't do that during Vietnam.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

4. He volunteered for the Army right out of high school

and did one tour, then volunteered twice more.

I can't see him going to Canada but we are all honestly a bit thrown off by this. I think he's taking a wait and see attitude right now. It's just crazy. He's under a doctor's care for some moderately serious health issues.

[ballcap1776]

10. My hub is a retired reservist or whatever they call them

He did his time sorting nuts and bolts in warehouses. He doesn't believe me that the backdoor draft could call him up, as he's only been out since 1994. What do you guys think? Are there any Web sites with information I could show him?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

16. There was a story in LBN

a while back about a guy in Hawaii who is not part of the IRR who was in Desert Storm who was told to report for duty. They are actively calling up IRR guys, apparently.

I don't know....I'm just trying to figure this out....

[ElectroPrincess]

82. Yes but Individual Ready Reserves (IRR) is, unfortunately

for the troop, extends only to the end of your total contract. You know that going in. Say, you sign a six year contract: You can pull 4 years active and 2 years INACTIVE Ready Reserves (IRR).

That is unfortunate when they should, instead, increase the number of Military Personnel. However, calling up someone who's Inactive but still has time on their initial contract, is fully legal.

Lesson is: DON'T SIGN THE CONTRACT IF ANY PART OF YOU IS UNSURE!!!

[Sugarbleus]

39. Moon, my guess is that he won't be taken if he's ill.....

Just a thought. I wish your family well in this.. It's all just too outrageous!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

42. Yeah

he has a couple of chronic medical conditions, nothing that impairs his physical movement, but he's on about six meds a day, every day.

[Sugarbleus]

44. Okay, Keep fingers crossed then and get Docs to help

Best of luck!!

[ScreamingMeemie]

5. I am sick.

:cry:

[ET Awful]

6. If he's been out since '86, there's NO WAY he's still IRR

I just don't see any realistic way he could be.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

7. I don't either

it's been 18 years. Unless it's 20 years, like the guy said above?

[ET Awful]

25. No. When you sign a contract, it's for a set term.

Especially if you're an officer (he can resign his commission easily enough).

If he's been retired since 1986, and had put in the full allotment of years towards retirement, it's highly unlikely they could find ANY way to recall him.

I'd say there's a 99.9% chance your dad's friend is way off base.

[nickinSTL]

79. No, but he was an officer

As also stated above, officers are eligible for recall for life.

Enlisted sign up for, generally, a total of 8 years, I believe. Usually 4 years active and 4 years in Reserve.

But after the 8 years, they shouldn't be able to be actually called back up to serve.

on edit: This applies to a one-time enlistment, not if they re-upped. Not sure of the rules on that.

[TankLV]

66. Nope - it's true enough - a 64 yo guy here in Vegas was just on the news

a couple days ago - he retired even earlier - been out over 20 years - and he was interviewed as he was PACKING to leave that very day.

Apparently, you're no longer safe even if you're up to 72 years old!

It's a fact.

Just wait till 4 more year pass!

[Walt Starr]

73. Officers are ALWAYS IRR for LIFE

Only enlisted men only do a specific time period in IRR. Officers are subject to recall for life and can be called back at any time during thier lives.

There are a lot of former ROTC kids out there who got their scholarships and then did their four years who are in for a rude awakening within a year.

[ElectroPrincess]

84. I don't like what you're saying Walt, coz I'm one of those ROTC

Kids of the 80s'. However, I hope they call the under 40 crowd before they come for little ole' me. Do you have a Reg # handy? If not, I'll research myself ... count on it. :P

[ElectroPrincess]

83. Yes, I agree, don't believe any contract is above 8 years?

[Vickers]

8. I got out 14 years ago...you want me?

Come and get me.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

12. Are you in the IRR?

I don't want you, but Uncle Sugar might soon.

(Trying to wrap my mind around calling up 60 year olds.)

[Vickers]

21. I have no idea if I'm in the IRR...doesn't matter. I ain't doing SHIT for

that dumbfuck George. Hey, he has a fucking flight suit, saddle up flyboy.

I was enlisted...officers might have had to OFFICIALLY resign their commission or something weird they can "lawyer" folks back into the military.

[elehhhhna]

9. We know a guy who survived the sinking of the Indianapolis...

do they want him back? My future FatherinLaw was at Guadalcanal--he might be handy, too. And how 'bout that Born on the 4th of July guy?

[elehhhhna]

11. When will they recall Kerry & McCain?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

13. Ron Kovak?

(I think I misspelled his last name.) Isn't he in a wheelchair?

Of course on LBN there was that news article about a new treatment facility of the VAs where they will retrain amputees to be able to go back into the theater of operations.

[madinmaryland]

23. What about robert novak?

A Douchebag for liberty

[Blue_Tires]

48. Ron Kovic

[Dem2theMax]

68. Boy, I'd love to sit down and talk with a vet who survived

the Indianapolis. If he could stand to talk about it. The horror of what those men went through -- just boggles the mind. Please give him a hug from an American full of admiration for him and his fellow shipmates the next time you see him. :)

[Morning Dew]

95. Amen to that.

Surviving the Indianapolis would scar for life.

[mtnester]

97. My grandpa built runways in the Pacific Islands fighting in WWII

Wonder if they want him too?

A great grandmother here in Columbus is being deployed...unsure if it is voluntary or not, she was working at DCSC (not called that anymore, but if you are a central Ohio native, that is what you always called it)in Whitehall.

What is wrong with this country??

[Florida_Geek]

14. Shitttttt I got out in 71 but am only 55

I must be one of the young ones.... hehehe

Real problem for me is I am 74F20 which was computer programmer


EDITED TO ADD 20

[Spinzonner]

20. Ditto, AF 1975

[tekriter]

38. So your knowledge might be a little less than current?

Me too, Electronic Warfare Systems Specialist 32853 1974 - 1978.

[Florida_Geek]

74. No I am a current Unix person

I have left the Cobol world long ago.

heheheheh

[trogdor]

47. Maybe they still have some of those System 360's left.

Still remember how to program in COBOL?

[cyn2]

15. I know I saw something somewhere

where people being recalled were fighting the recall. Unfortunately, I can't find it right now. I'll repost if I find it.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

17. I saw that

in LBN, right? I can't find it. Some guys weren't even part of IRR and being called up.

[LittleClarkie]

18. A crazy thought

If they want a 61 year old Lt. Col. from the Vietnam era, then what are the chances they might also recall a certain 60 year old Lt. we all know. Now wouldn't that be nuts.

But back to the original post -- it sounds like they're trying to postpone the draft as long as possible, maybe until after the first of the year. Seems like they are getting more desperate to me. I could be wrong.

These people better not count on the military vote next election if they keep shitting upon them this way, from recalls to not providing enough care for them when they get back.

And what if we get ourselves into a mess with Iran?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

26. I don't know

my father in law voted for * in 2000, but had become so disgusted with the deficit and the war in Iraq, that he originally was going to vote Libertarian, then at the end, decided to vote Kerry, the first vote for a Democrat in his life.

He still says he's glad he voted for Kerry, he wants to be able to say he didn't "vote for the bastard that screwed up the US."

He REALLY hates bush, says he's no republican at all.

[KC21304]

43. How about calling up a 58 yr old TANG Lt.

who never finished his first stint ?

They wouldn't want such a chicken shit.

[intheflow]

19. I'm worried about the same thing with my boyfriend.

It's bad enough that his company wants him to go to Kuwait over Christmas (he's works for a military contractor, and they want him to install some new bell or whistle on Blackhawks or something like). But now I have to worry that the Army will call him up to fight in Iraq. Like he doesn't already have Gulf War Syndrome from his first time over there! Like being exposed to depleted uranium within mere miles of those huge oil fires wasn't enough of a sacrifice! This whole WAR makes me so mad and upset!

So I hear ya, Sister Moonbeam_Starlight! I'm sending you and your family prayers and blessings.

[grasswire]

22. go to the local newspaper and TV station..

...with this story. Americans need to know the dire straits of our military under Bush.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

30. I'll pass on that suggestion

they live in another state and I doubt they will (they don't like any attention) but I hope they do.

[Dem2theMax]

69. Maybe they'd let you speak on their behalf? Keith Olbermann

would get this on the air. hint hint.

I'll keep him and all the men and women in my thoughts and prayers, as always. Hope it works out for him.

And to me, this just sounds like a way to put off bringing back the draft. I mean, we all have to have enough time to FORGET that * said he wouldn't bring the draft back. Oh wait, I put that the wrong way. The */Rove Company needs enough time to brainwash the masses into thinking that the draft is a GOOD idea. :puke:

[snippy]

54. Excellent suggestion. Everyone who knows of anyone being recalled

in unusual circumstances should urge them to contact the local media. The public needs to know what happens when people vote republican.

[sdfernando]

24. IRR and Regular Army

I don't know if there is a cut off, but my father was career army. Regular army not reserve. He retired as a Lt. Colonel in 1977. When you're regular army as long as he was, you never get discharged. You can retire, but can be called back at any time. He has never gotten any sort of final separation papers. I doubt they'd call him now because he is pushing 80. Seems to me they may be looking for particular skill sets. What did he do in the service?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

28. Combat engineer, mostly

yeah he was career Army, too.

[ElectroPrincess]

85. Yes, no worries sdfernando ... Our Dads will NOT be troubled

Both of our Dad's are OK!

My father is a retired RA Combat Engineer, Major who's 85 y.o. I'd say, more than ANYONE else who's sweating it here (including myself, Intel, 82-85), our Fathers are even more safe than our Moms and Sisters. <warm smile> ;)

That is, the oldest I've heard called to active duty was in his 50s. Correct me if I'm wrong?

[bklyncowgirl]

27. So that's what Bush is going to do with John Kerry.

Lieutenant Kerry time to man that swiftboat on the Euphrates.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

29. It's ridiculous.

The technology ALONE is so different just from when my father in law left the service, I don't see how they could expect to get him back to speed on training and then there's his physical shape (not good).

What in the world would they want him and people like his buddy for? That's what we're trying to figure out.

[KC21304]

35. They better take that liar John O'Neill first.

He got out after Kerry.

[DuaneBidoux]

31. Pathetic when we call up 61 year olds while Young College Repukes

Party on the blood of Iraqis.

Wonder how many of these guys voted for Shrub?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

33. I know my first suggestion

was that the powers that be go trolling some college campuses for some nice, in shape young bush voting men.

Leave my father in law out of it!

[arewenotdemo]

52. you got that right

[Amich]

32. here from military.com don't know if this will tell anyone anything

Section 10145 of 10 USC provides basic statutory eligibility requirements for placement in the Ready Reserve. Under the basic requirements outlined, the following individuals may be assigned to the Ready Reserve:

1. Military personnel released from active duty (other than active duty for training) who have incurred a total military obligation of up to eight years.

2. Reserve officers who have incurred a total military obligation of eight years.

3. Members of the Army and Air National Guard of the United States.

4. Direct enlistees in the Reserves who have incurred a total military obligation of up to eight years, including not less than 12 weeks of initial active duty for training.

5. Members whose total length of active and Reserve service is five years or more who have executed a voluntary agreement to remain in the Ready Reserve subject to requirements prescribed by appropriate regulations.

6. A member of the Retired Reserve entitled to retired pay or a retired enlisted member of the regular components of the Armed Forces, if the Secretary concerned makes a special finding that the member’s services in the Ready Reserve are indispensable. This responsibility may not be delegated to lower authority

[progressoid]

34. Keep us up to date - If he does get a letter, contact the media IMMEDIATLY

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

37. I will if he doesn't, thanks.

His buddy was same MOS and same experience as him and was told to report in 45 days.

[ElectroPrincess]

86. How old is his buddy?

I'd bet money, they would not re-activate anyone over 60 y.o.

But I could be wrong ... just stands to reason.

[HeeBGBz]

36. Yikes, I've only been out 14 years.

And I thought I only had to worry about my kids.

I am seriously worried for my daughter who got out last year. She doesn't think they would bring her back in.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

40. Just last year?

Yep. Husband's only been out eight, but he's not in IRR. Apparently that's not much of a gaurantee anymore, though.

:scared:

Mr. Moonbeam said he'd fight it like there was no tomorrow. He is not under ANY contractual military obligation, and that's why he would fight it.

[driver8]

56. Out 13 years...I will definitely flunk the drug test!! n/t

[LisaL]

41. I wouldn't be surprised if they did recall him.

I guess they are really desperate for people.

[MARALE]

45. The IRR lasts for 10 years I think

At least that is what my papers said when I got out (16 years ago) I don't know if it is always the same, but it seemed pretty standard. I also did not have a choice about IRR and they did not point it out, But I do remember reading it because I was pregnent at the time and during the Gulf was was afraid they would call me back.

[juliagoolia]

46. what is IRR? from usa today article

Soldiers who enlist in the military commit to serving for a specific number of years but might serve only some of those years on active duty.

Once deactivated, they can join the National Guard or the active reserve, in which they continue to train and draw pay.

If they don't choose active service, they go into the Individual Ready Reserve and can be called back into active service until their enlistment term expires. Officers who have deactivated can be recalled until they resign their commissions or reach mandatory retirement age.

Many officers retain their commissions in order to continue collecting points toward a pension.

After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, President Bush declared a national emergency that authorized the mobilization of up to 1 million Ready Reserve troops to serve for as long as two years.

There are about 114,000 IRR soldiers waiting to hear whether they will be part of the next round of mobilizations. As of Tuesday, the U.S. Army's Human Resources Command in St. Louis had ordered 2,093 IRR soldiers to duty.

- By Donna Leinwand

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

59. IRR stands for Individual Ready Reserve

guys and gals who can be called up later, after they are off active duty.

[ElectroPrincess]

88. But the IRR only extends to the total length of your contract.

The IRR is the time subsequent to active duty that is left on your service contract. If you serve 4 years on an 8 year contract, then your IRR committment is ONLY 4 more years.

[LiberalFighter]

49. Tell your dad not to worry... pointless to worry...

tell him to tell them that he is willing to shoot if they point him in the right direction.

[this_side_up]

50. do all of the people mentioned in

all of the above posts collect pension from
Unca Sam? (or will in the future)

If yes, then there ya go. Dead = more money
for BushCo to spend on whatever but certainly
not anything that benefits service people or their
families. Just another tactic

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

60. Shnikies!

[cmf]

51. He needs to resign his commission

As I understand it, he needs to formally resign his commission (in a letter) before he gets the letter calling him up. Officer commissions don't expire the way that enlistments do. (My husband is an active duty Navy officer right now. We looked into it when this issue came up about a year ago in the news.)

Was your husband an officer, too? If so, it's a good idea for him to resign his commission as well.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

61. I don't think he ever did resign his commission.

My husband got out as an NCO, so no problem there.

Thanks.

[ElectroPrincess]

87. He would have to resign his Active Duty Commission ...

A Regular Officer has an "Indefinite" date on his/her ID card because there is no contract period. In order to be taken off of the Active Duty rolls, you must submit an "Letter of Resignation."

[ElectroPrincess]

89. Only "Regular" officers (Service Academies and upper 5%)

Have to resign their commission. All others are Reserve Active Duty Officers who have a "specific" length of commitment.

If an "REGULAR" Officer is NOT on Active Duty (AD) he has already resigned his AD Commission. Sorry, once a Regular Army officer, you just can quit the "whole deal" ... just active duty. Why do you think they call them *lifers*?

[L84TEA]

53. PLEASE TAKE NO OFFENSE...BUT...

COULD YOU IMAGINE YOUR LOCAL AMERICAN LEGION IN FATIGUES IN 100 DEGREE TEMPS? lol. What are they thinking???
HECK, what is gonna happen to the Independence day parade??

Surely they will ship out the Bush twins before that??? NO?

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

55. Well....did they vote for shrub???

[seabeyond]

57. i didnt want to be such a bitch

but that is what i was thinking reading down the post. first thing i would say if he voted for bush, ........you voted for him

then i would be empathitic after it hit him up side the head and do just what moonbeam is doing, to see how to get him out of it, calling attorneys ect...........

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

62. I mentioned in another post earlier in the thread

that my father in law voted for Kerry.

[seabeyond]

64. oooosh betcha he is pissed then

huggies to him. just cant see a 61 year old man going to war

[DesEtoiles]

58. Beat Back Door Draft Hotline - [phone]

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-10-08/pols_naked9.html

www.sorgen.net

Beating the Back-Door Draft
BY LEE NICHOLS


Texas Army National Guard member Carl Webb made headlines recently when he got caught up in the Pentagon's "stop-loss" policy, which forces national guardsmen and reservists to extend their enlistments in times of "national emergency." Webb opposes the Iraq War and hardly views the current situation as a national emergency, so he went AWOL and is currently missing.

Webb's plight caught Naked City's eye mainly because he is also active in Austin's peace movement, but according to husband-and-wife team Luke and Marti Hiken of the Military Law Task Force of the National Lawyers Guild, Webb's situation is just "the tip of the iceberg." The San Francisco-based Hikens visited the UT Law School last Friday and Saturday to conduct a workshop for Central Texas counselors and lawyers on how to advise clients wishing to avoid what critics call "the back-door draft," or just how to stay the hell out of Iraq in general. They want to teach others, they say, because they can't possibly do it all themselves.

"The Hotline right now is getting about 2,900 to 3,000 calls a month, and that's clearly too many for any kind of support system to be able to really meet the ," said Luke Hiken on campus last Friday. "A lot of those people are just trying to find out what their rights are. A lot of people are right at the point of resistance." He said about 30,000 calls came in the early stages of the war.

One of the MLTF's current activities is a lawsuit on behalf of a guardsman challenging the legality of the current stop-loss mobilization. Among its arguments, the MLTF plans to show that stop-loss is only allowable in national emergency, and the current Iraq situation has more to do with poor planning by the Bush administration than any real threat to national security. "Since the coup in Iraq, since the United States put in its own government there, to suggest that we're there to protect ourselves is now nonsense," Hiken said. (Details of the suit may be found at www.sorgen.net.) A very interesting thing about that suit, Marti Hiken said, "was the support of a large number of people inside the military, and we're talking brass, officers, not just the GIs themselves. The military is divided in terms of what's going on right now."

"The reserves are people who go in expecting to be in for a short period of time, being called up for floods or fires or earthquakes or serious and significant emergencies, or war if we were being attacked," said Luke Hiken. "But to say to these people, 'We've gotcha, and now you're in indefinitely, and you signed up voluntarily,' they know that's outrageous."

The Hikens contrasted Webb's situation with resisters during Vietnam, when they started their counseling work. "During the Vietnam War, the first sets of people who filed for conscientious objector , all were denied that; they all went to jail for up to two years. By the end of that war, if you knew how to spell it, you got out. ... So the nature of what's going to happen to the first people who are out there in public is very different than what happens as this war goes on and the numbers go from the tens and the twenties into the hundreds and the thousands."

To be advised of legal options in avoiding compulsory military service, call the hotline at 800/394-9544.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

63. Thank you!

I am going to forward this information to him!!! And keep it for ourselves!

[Mick Knox]

65. This is absolute fucking bullshit.. if they are going to draft

then fucking draft - leave the grandpas at home.

This is a fucking disgrace and an outrage.

I am pissed off.

[LiberalAndProud]

67. Story in LBN yesterday reports 56 year old Vietnam Vet called up.

ATLANTA - At 56, Sgt. 1st Class Michael Conley is one of the oldest men in the 48th Brigade of the Georgia Army National Guard.

He was awarded a Silver Star and several Purple Hearts after seeing some of the fiercest fighting in Vietnam. Now, Conley is going back to war along with thousands of other Georgians.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1011389

[GingerSnaps]

70. My Dad is a World War 2 Vet

His has dementia and he is in his second childhood. I wonder if they are going to call him back? :shrug:

[Kindigger]

71. Starting to sound like the Civil War...

...only they went by choice. :(

[GingerSnaps]

77. They might start digging up civil war vets

My Great, great...great..grand dad fought with the North but he was from the South.

I wonder if they could use him of course they would have to dig him up :evilgrin:

[ElectroPrincess]

92. Great news Ginger and Fellow DUers

There's no need for us to dig up our Civil War Ancestors NOR discharge my Dad from the State Veterans Nursing home.

The thread originator's Father-in-law also has "no worries."

" 3. Officers must complete the prescribed tour prior to age 62. NO waivers will be granted."


Retiree Recall to Active Duty Program Link:

https://www.perscomonline.army.mil/opdistacc/Ret%20AV/NonAVRetiredmain.htm

[shuffnew]

75. Retired Recall Message Page (U.S. Army)

Here's a link re: recall and officers (which says it expires Sept 30, 2004, but who knows?)
LIMITED RECALL TO ACTIVE DUTY (U.S. Army) - Retired Recall Message Page
https://www.perscomonline.army.mil/opdistacc/Ret%20AV/Ret%20AV%20message.htm

NON AVIATION ARMY RECALL:
https://www.perscomonline.army.mil/opdistacc/Ret%20AV/NonAVRetiredmain.htm

ARMY TO RECALL FORMER MEMBERS:
http://www.zerovision.net/boards/viewtopic.php?id=3505

Also on IIR and MOSs(special trades MOS):

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/terrorism/a/arirrrecall.htm

And... on "Are you going to be drafted?" (interesting article):

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

And a couple more articles re: BACK DOOR DRAFT:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/05/extended.enlistments/index.html
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20041107%2F0320964781.htm&sc=1110

[ellie]

76. My idiot Bushbot

brothers retired from the Army as majors in the 90s. I expect to hear about them receiving similar letters as well.

[rniel]

78. Who did he vote for?

n/m

[seabeyond]

81. voted kerry look at #62

i wanted to know the same. isnt that sad, empathy; no empathy.....depending who he voted for.

what have i become

[stevekatz]

90. He won't get recalled

This is all BS,

the IRR is all really simple

If you sign up for 4 years your obligated for 8.
If you sign up for 6 your still obligated for 8.

Its just that those remaining four or two years are served in the IRR, the Inactive Ready Reserves. This is all explained to you when you enlist. Its no suprise, if you don't understand then you should never have signed on the dotted line.

To expand on this,, if you reenlist and server say 12 years active then you owe them 0 in IRR time. Your free and clear. If you serve 20 years Active and retire, you are obligated to 30 through the IRR. Again this is all explained to you when you retire.

As far as stoploss goes, I don't know where anybody has gotten there has to be a "national emergency" in order to enact stoploss. Stoploss has been used many times in the past. Long before Bush43 ever came to office.

Stoploss was used widely in the first Gulf War under Bush41, used in Kosovo under Clinton, and Post 9/11 under Bush43. At least it was in the USAF.

Bottem line, your father in law won't be drafted back in. I'd bet money he won't be.

[stevekatz]

91. .

To piggyback on my last post,

Here's the Air Force Instruction that governs stoploss,
http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/af/10/afi10-402/afi10-402.pdf

This is waht the Instruction says on stoploss,

Stop Loss— Authority which allows the President to suspend (stop-loss) provisions of the law relating to retirements and separations (Title 10, United States Code, Section 12305a) during any period when members of any Reserve component are on active duty under involuntary PSRC or mobilization authorities.

----------------

I know this post was referring tot he Army, but I'm certain that regulations for this is universal.

I could dig on this more, but don't have the time at the moment,

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

96. Wow you spell really well!

Also, he was an officer. You didn't address that.

[yellowcanine]

93. Must be a couple of WWII geezers with some fight left in them. Bob Dole?

He still has one good hand. And GHW Bush likes to jump out of airplanes anyway, so why not give him another crack at it?

[Threedifferentones]

94. Holy shit my step-father could get recalled?!

He's a 60 year old vietnam vet who retired in the '80s as a Lt. Colonel. Almost exactly the same as Moonbeams FIL except he has stayed in excellent shape, expecially considering his age...it would be horrible if he got called back up. Go screw yourself W.!


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