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Interesting thread. A few responses.
Firstly I do not think any sane person (ie one who believes that global warming is real) would just stand back and let these people take over. This issue alone is apocalyptic-ally momentous and would warrant a one step back and two steps forward approach from Democrat hard heads.
FFS people, we ALL knew this election violation was going to happen. There is no logical reason not to have paper trails. There is no logical reason to have rabid republicans counting all the votes. It's like the WMDs.
This election scam is an open secret. Big media knows. We all know, but most of us don't do anything. Most of us don't discuss it. All the other side need's is plausible deniability for media to bash away with and a rhetoric that sounds good. (Best if the argument is logically incoherent or a direct an inversion of the truth - ie Democrats are sore losers). Everyone knew the elections is Saddams Iraq or Pinochet's Chile were rigged. Why have them then? Plausible deniability. Because fascism always uses the open secret to create despair and crush the dissenter.
Cheney said it when he said "we create reality - you people report it".
My rule of thumb is if I know something is going down using google and email's from friends, then people closer to the pulse than me know. They know. I knew there was going to be a massacre in East Timor. They know. My government didn't?? Get off the grass. I also knew there were no WMD. How? Reading Ritter and Richard Butler. they all know.
Iraqi nuclear program? DON'T BE SILLY! The CIA and Mossad are good at what they do. They know. Bush and Powell's rhetoric was logically incoherent. Show me the weapons you don't have. Negative ontology. Iraq was invaded because it WAS disarmed and didn't have WMD. North Korea is not invaded (thankfully) because they are armed. Pakistan anybody? Bought into the fold. Why? They are armed and dangerous. Anyway I digress. The point is - they know. It's an open secret.
The concept that senior Dems knew this election coup was on and even the details is unremarkable to me. What is also unremarkable is that the open secret is being shared in the cryptic manor of this post - (ie. we know, heres the inside story, but we aren't talking openly about it).
As an aside - open secrets are very powerful as a tool within fascism, because they create a sense of inevitability helplessness and despair. This is why torture and judicial murder in totalitarian states is not kept a secret - the answer for our side is open storytelling, which turns the open secret into a spoken truth. Community story and song reminds us that the surreality of what happened does NOT invalidate that it happened. The Columbus hearings are very important for this reason. All valid left wing politics are local, and are based on coherent narratives.
The logic of fascism is very hard to resist front on. Almost impossible. This is because it is built on raw power as a virtue. Unfortunately we do live in a Nietzchean world. The pragmatists - those who validly emphasize the compromise theory of politics would not attempt this feat. Quite rightly too. And as far as Kerry being out of the loop - once again unremarkable. The last person you tell that the fine print says we get to repossess your daughters if you default on monthly payment is the salesman. Sales people without conviction just don't move product.
Finally - and I think you need to factor this in - this would not be a great election to win, particularly under a cloud, and without the popular vote - gained either fairly of foully. Your economy and foreign policy is going to come apart. And the other side control everything from the supremes down to the county officials. Dole lost Florida with the votes. Kerry would lose Ohio with the votes. Why on earth would you bet big on a losing hand? Poker metaphor - I don't know enough about baseball (sorry) and I suspect life as a metaphor for cricket is not going to wash with you'se blokes and sheilas. (poor New Zealand eh???)
What do you do when you see your opponent bluffing? You fold and play the next hand. Maybe bet small and show. Particularly when you just KNOW the other guy is bluffing you. A good player takes a long view and waits to win a big pot: he uses the knowledge of his opponent. Not lose his shirt for the sake of a principle that was pr oven in 2000 to mean Jack shit. Like I really don't understand why there were not riots in 2000 when the recount was stopped.
A better strategy is to concede the result - let the republican party self destruct under it's own wedges and bad policy. Let the Republicans spin and spin a spiral of woe. O'Neil and the slanderers in a civil case, and attempt to turn the shenanigans of the election into a running sore. Bleed the sucker to death by a thousand cuts, and maybe one big blown whistle.
Use the Internet to create your own narrative of political re-engagement. The potential is there for a Watergate like scandal, a re-energized base and destroying the other side's moral credibility. A big pot to win, and really I just cannot see the upside in letting the supremo's appoint Bush again in a Foxx lead media tirade as if Bush has saved the country from flip flopping, disruptive, sore loser, liberal, osama beloved, French speakers who don't drink cool-aid or feed their fish live dogs.
Now all we need to do is to get a consortium of liberal money people... (and there must be plenty of them) to take a big stake in News Limited's voting shares. Rupert's Delaware listing and his "poison pill" make it impossible to take over - but two liberals on the board would do Fox's cheer squad caper in. Hey? Isn't Kerry and co worth 650? .... you'd only have to get to say a $10 Billion stake to get a reasonable say and lots of access to policy.
But hey maybe this little thing called the interned is actually going to come of age in the next four years. I am sure of it, and when it happens I will be utterly convinced that God has a sense of humor, given that the net was built by the US Military. BTW Jesus is an anarchist.
Okay it's late - and someone's gotta challenge the cordial drinker's theology. If someone reads my post and likes it can you make a thread - i am still a lame ass-ed noob and don't have privileges as yet.
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