Actor/comedian Robin Williams for President in 2008

[lilfroggy]

Robin is a Democrat who supported Kerry and was invited to Clinton's library opening.

John Edwards as VP. Hehe.

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1. Fun, but no.

Robin's a Howard Dean as far as patience with media and such goes. Love his comedy though!

Back when he and Seinfeld were both at the forefront of the media they met at a party.
Seinfeld made some comment about how they were both doing well and that everyone really loved them both.
Robin retorted, "Yeah, but the difference is you're not funny," and walked away.

Which is awesome to me, because I don't find Jerry to be funny.

[ScreamingMeemie]

2. A "Howard Dean as far as patience with media and such goes..."

:eyes:

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3. To like Dean is one thing... to say he's a media darling is another

Don't ignore his character traits, good or bad, just because he's your favorite of the candidates...

When Bush can't think of anything wrong he's done does it anger you? It should - but to absolve Dean of any imperfections is, on some levels, equally wrong. Dean's temper was tangible during the primaries. He's a brilliant politician, but he was not ready for the race for the WH. Maybe next time, maybe not.

I'm not value judging, just stating...

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. I have never seen him lose patience with the media. The media lost

patience with him after the illfated HardBall and his comments on media regulation. You can track the systematic derailment from there. Show me a link where he "lost his patience" please.

I am thankful and forever greatful that Dean was angry at the administration for me, a mom that was screaming with no one there to listen. I'll continue to scream and wait for someone to pick it up for me.

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5. I don't go around storing links and the like, unfortunately

And, yes, I think the media's portrayal was unfair and extremely rabid. I know the woman who organized the infamous rally. You can see her behind Dean in the clip. She said the yell was entirely appropriate for the mood of the rally.

But, she's a media relations person. She gave me first hand accounts of the quirky stuff Deam would do to retaliate against media - even those who were trying to promote him.

Systematic derailment - yes. Did he handle it well - no. Look at Jon Stewart or Michael Moore, they knew how to make the media look bad from the inside, it can be done without losing face.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. No link. No belief. Sorry. It's just media stimulated take down otherwise.

I've seen him quite a few times, spoken with a few people who have worked for him, watched the Alexandra Pelosi documentary and see nothing to support the claim. He handled himself great. It is others who are unable to handle him.

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9. "It is others who are unable to handle him..."

Maybe the mark of genius... but undoubtedly there were many who couldn't handle Hitler.

Extreme example, I know...

He is NOT without flaw, but I don't think that you can or will see that. But it is heartening to see how strongly you believe in him, he has some amazing ambitions and ideals along with the fervor and strength of character to follow through (although, he's still a Democrat, and, like all others, is bank rolled by the same corporations that back Bush).

Thanks for the discussion, but no thanks to anymore of this. I really suggest some objectivity here - be realistic! He's a person just like you or me.

No link. No belief? You wouldn't believe me if I presented you with 100, as you would look for them to be false, conjecture that they were false and then obtain bias (true or false) information to deliniate the sites and their content. How do I know this? Cause I do it with the candidates and issues that I vehemently support sometimes. When I rabidly want to believe something, I can believe it in the face of any odds, good or bad. Which brings us back to the point that we are all human, capable of bias, and we all have flaws. (I know what you're thinking - that I have thrown such bias into this instance. Problem is: I don't care about this at all. I am just really bored and avoiding work!)

Either way, whether the media can't handle him or he can't handle the media, you still are in-keeping with my original point:
He's not a media darling no matter which way you slice the pie. That's all I said about Williams, that's all I am saying about Dean.

But enough of this, we will not see eye to eye.

[NYCGirl]

11. As to your Hitler reference,

Reference here:
Maybe the mark of genius... but undoubtedly there were many who couldn't handle Hitler.

Extreme example, I know...

Not only is it extreme, it's offensive.

And BTW, the media loves Howard Dean. He's been offered TV series by major companies, such as Paramount. What slice of the pie is that?

Did you see Howard on the Emmy Awards?

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13. Colin Quinn has a show on comedy central

Does that mean it's funny? Cause it's not. (It could be though)

Offensive? Ok:
Many people couldn't handle Christopher Columbus, Andrew Carnegie, John Rockafeller, Dr. Van Braun, Dr. Kavorikian Dr. King and Henry Ford.

Genius (or the perception thereof) does not necessitate anything - they could be media savvy and temperate or they could be promoting feudalism or genocide. That was the point, it's extreme, but it's historical. To be offended is like focusing on a single brush stroke (of a color you don't like) on large canvas. Sure you still don't like the color, but will you disliking it take it off the picture?

Paramount is looking to make cheap entertainment, not report the news. Not even the same table, let alone the same pie.

[NYCGirl]

15. The "news media" (as opposed to the media) HAS BECOME

cheap entertainment.

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17. ok

Still, though, Crossfire doesn't equal Survior, no matter how fun it is to draw parallels.

[NYCGirl]

18. No, "Survivor" is much better.

NT

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19. I try not to watch either. (Ex when jon stewart is on!) nt

[Cheswick2.0]

12. no democrat is "the media's darling"

You characterization of Dean is certainly a media creation though.

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14. My characterization is from personal accounts of Dean

But it's nice to see that you believe only those who believe Dean was media savvy during his run to the WH are the ONLY ones who have formulated their own opinions.

Nice to see we've resorted to personal attacks, though.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. What is funny

This thread wasn't about Dean, but your first comment was about him. Like I always tell the Clinton Haters....let it go. He is no longer running against your favorite candidate. He's helping democrats run for public office. Bad bad evil Howard Dean!

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26. You're damn right it wasn't about dean

But apparently one isn't allowed to draw parallels between Williams and The Son of God, err, um, (cough), I mean Dean.

[ScreamingMeemie]

20. No. I reward honesty when backed up. There has been too much

Dean bashing by the GOP, media, and Kerry supporters for me to find you credible until you provide a link. Sorry.

[mstrsplinter326]

28. Honesty

Includes realizing (or atleast pretending to realize) that Howard Dean is not above reproach. Be honest about that.

I understand that it grows tiresome, but I am not ever degrading your cause! I just drew a parallel among a group of informed, like-minded people. What's to fear about it? What is so incensing that you devalue my personal experiences and trumpet yours so fervently?

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. Now you have made a decision about me, based on one thing I said.

Defend Dean and become a fanatical, wild eyed, liberal of course. No, I don't tend to deify politicians. I am stating,rather calmly, that Dean doesn't deserve the "lack of patience" stroke that's been branded upon him.

Why devalue your "personal" experience? First off, you said it was a "friend of yours". Secondly, you have yet to provide a link to any story backing up your claim. Google goes pretty far back on stories whether you save them or not.

Sorry, this pretty balanced woman with no lust like admiration for Dean, just a heck of a lot of appreciation for what he's accomplished, doesn't believe the story yet. :shrug:

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33. Assumptions

Wild-eyed liberal... The fact that you had the gall to say that to a fellow DU member... (and a Kucinich supporter...) Unreasonable, at the very least!

You say that you don't deify politicians, but then you present an image of Dean that is without fault.

P.S. Links don't prove anything. I could present you with links that "proved" that one of the smaller towers around the WTC was blown up from inside and another that "proved" that no 757 ever hit the pentagon.

[LenaLush]

25. I am so tired of hearing about Dean's visible anger

As a Dean supporter, and one that watched CSPAN tirelessly during the primaries, I do not agree that Dean was visibly angry. Passionate, yes, serious, yes, intense, yes, but visibly angry, no.

Maybe being passionate and giving a shit is too much for some people.

[MostlyLurks]

7. It's easy for Williams to be funny...

He simply rifles through the acts of other comics and mines them for the best material.

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10. Easy for seinfeld to be "funny"

(On his show) He just goes around doing the things that happen to the rest of us, and somehow it is considered one of the greatest shows of all time. Not funny at all.

Not to mention, Robin is also an acclaimed actor. (Patch Adams, Birdcage, etc.)

If I wanted to watch a halfhour of someone's life, I'd turn off the TV and just watch a person instead.

Though, Seinfeld's stand-up is slightly above tolerable, which is a pretty high rating from me.

Funnier than the both: Chappell.

[Catchawave]

6. Why not ?

Afterall if GWB can do it, anyone can !

[lilfroggy]

24. Hehe n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

16. Those heroin stories ain't gonna help none...

Then there's the serial infidelity and some other skeletons that won't warm too many hearts.

[UpsideDownFlag]

22. he's far, far too hairy to win any swing voters or security moms. nt

[lilfroggy]

23. He's shaving for his Mrs. Doubtfire sequel role n/t

[President Jesus]

27. Robin was a big Dean donor! (full list)

Very supportive of Democrats for a long time. Oddly, did not support Kerry, Gore, or Clinton.

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Robin_Williams.php

[lilfroggy]

31. He was voting for Kerry..

And mentioned him in almost a praising way in an interview on TV whenm he talked about Chris Reeve and how Kerry brought it up and made a powerful statement during the debate he said.

[janx]

30. Didn't MOST Democrats support Kerry after he was

nominated?

[JPZenger]

32. One Former Cokehead in the White House Was Enough

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I Saw Geraldo There...

Maybe he should run for pres...


He actually has a doctoral degree too...

[Redleg]

35. That's just what we need. (Sarcasm)

We are already branded as the party of amoral Hollywood.