For those of you who said Obama said "get over it" GET OVER IT!!!

[wndycty]

A fellow DUer listened to a replay of Randi's show with Barack Obama and guess what? HE NEVER SAID GET OVER IT! So those of you whose "feelings were hurt" can breath a sigh of relief. He never said it! Why oh why must we eat our own? How the hell did this rumor start?

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never cry wolf (1000+ posts)
Fri Nov-26-04 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #96

97. For all those who think he said "get over it"


Randi's show is on replay now, his words were "I hope everyone is over their mourning period because we have work to do."

He then said "we have to face it, * is the president and it is a republican concress," both of which are facts, whether or not there is a recount and things are overturned. I didn't catch anywhere where he said anyone should stop recount efforts or give up fraud investigations.

Listening is a skill!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1389371#1391028

[Cha]

1. Yeah, I don't know why

we have to "eat our own", either..especially.. before all the facts are in.

[xerox]

2. ok

[Turn CO Blue]

3. Thank you for your post. Sometimes I am amazed at how

hawkish we can be against our own -- I would like to encourage us to save that venom and energy for use against the Republicans.

I loved Barack Obama's speech at the Democratic Convention.

a positive critique
<http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200407281612.asp>

transcript of his speech
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19751-2004Jul27.html>

[Padraig18]

4. Thank you!

:)

[Skarbrowe]

5. Thanks you for clearing that up.

I get as prickly as a porcupine when I hear the term "Get over it." That's all any repug has to say concerning 2000 and now 2004. What Obama actually said makes much more sense.

[LiberalFighter]

9. We need to tell them sob pugs...

that we will get over it when they are destroyed

[AP]

6. Obama's popularity and success will him a target of the right.

[wndycty]

7. . . .and of the far left as well.

:kick:

[AP]

12. ...or of people who pretend to be far left

as an excuse to attack liberal Democrats.

On a Democratic board, if you want to sow seeds of doubt about a good Democrat, you don't attack them from the right. You pretend they're not liberal enough.

[wndycty]

61. Yeah attack from the left, not the right

:kick:

[Hippo_Tron]

33. Not a political target though, a target of assassination...

Seriously, the only thing standing between that man and the White House is a bullet.

[janx]

8. Once these rumors get started, there's almost no stopping them.

I found that one particularly suspect, to tell you the truth. Thanks for clearing it up--Obama's great, and the Dems are lucky to have him.

[madfloridian]

11. Janx, listen to the program.

It was the intent, just as it has been the intent. I know full well who is being attacked here in a subtle back door way. Please listen to it yourself.
And find my post and kick it. I believe I said Oh No, don't say get over it.....(as I thought he was going there.)

[janx]

13. Where can I find the program?

Is it archived somewhere?

[madfloridian]

15. I know there are archives, but I can't find them for RR shows.

I did find the message board, but not the specific words. Others had a sort of reaction as well on the message boards.

I guess we have lost our country now and any control we had, so it hurts badly to have the election dismissed.

Maybe someone can find the archives for you. Meanwhile, I remain criticized but unbowed.

I make no apologies for wanting my vote to count. I did not say what he said, I said something far different.

[madfloridian]

10. Being less obvious is a skill as well.

When you are going after someone, be very sure what they meant. Be very sure that the person being interviewed was not implying just that....just be sure.

I have watched this thread with interest. Why don't you go and find my post and kick it? You will find I said very little before I was set upon.

Read the wording.

Why is Obama not subject to scrutiny, yet all the other Democrats are? I felt he was implying, just as Kerry actually said....quit crying in your teacups.

He is a fine man, and he is a passionate one. He is going to have to talk the talk and walk the walk though to succeed.

What you are doing here is a little obvious. Find my thread, kick it. Whatever, just don't be so obvious.

[madfloridian]

14. It is archived. Here is what I said before I was decimated.

Oh,no Obama,don't say get over it. (subject)

No NO No....(message)

Please notice the "don't", as though I thought he might go that far. Please be sure you go after Randi Rhodes as well on this, as she was a little concerned as well.

Marginalizing someone is a "skill", just as listening and reading can be. I don't mind an apology.

[Individualist]

16. You're right, madfloridian

Obama's intent was clear, and Randi was certainly concerned. Archives for her shows can be found here: www.randirhodesarchives.com

[madfloridian]

17. Thanks, it was November 22, I think.

Don't know which hour? Thanks for the link. Thanks for the kind words.

[madfloridian]

18. I think it might be about an hour and a half into the show.

I am tired of knee-jerk reactions to anything that is said. I can't post a link to an archived thread, but folks can search for it....see who was doing the uglinesss. Just read it.

[shawrick]

19. are certain subjects out of bounds here on DU?

I noticed in that other Obama thread that someone was "tombstoned". What am I allowed to say about Obama? About Dean? About Clinton? About Kerry? Some subjects seem to be verboten.

[janx]

20. No subjects are verboten.

But people who come to DU and disrupt the board are tombstoned.

[madfloridian]

21. It is 50 minutes into the first half. Nov. 22.

Randi, #1 on my values is counting votes. She says people should not stand in lines for 8 or more hours to vote.

Obama, made no comment. Does not address. Other than mourn, dust yourself off....He sounded nice, calm, ineffective when our democracy has been taken away.

Randi...I count votes...my pet peeve...my hobby.

He ignored it entirely, just like all the other Democrats have done, even Dean has not spoken of it. Randi keeps repeating count the votes.

http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/

Counting the votes was Randi's issues, either he refused to address it or was told not to do so.

[never cry wolf]

22. I stand by the quote

He never said to get over the election, nor in any way imply he thought it was on the up and up and bunnypants won fairly. He did not say get over the results, he said he hoped everyone was over their mourning period because there was work to do, you could even infer that that work could include fraud investigations.

He is not even in office yet, and when he is he will rank 99th on the seniority list, it is not up to him to raise a stink. This is a body where bitter enemies refer to each other as "my esteemed colleague." To expect him to rant and rave about the election results in public is not only unrealistic but counter productive. First impressions are the most important and if he were to speak as many here apparently want him to he would be dismissed and marginalized in the MSM, the senate and by half the population.

He was very neutral on the subject, not tipping a hand either way in a very public forum. That does not mean he is not working behind the scenes nor that he does not believe fraud was committed, but to say so in front of a few million listeners would backfire.

[madfloridian]

23. Read what I said. All of two lines. That is all.

This is really outrageous for someone to start another thread to bash me from a one-line, short subject line post from NOV 22!

I did not criticize Obama in any way. I was like saying...don't go there...don't say get over it.

It is amazing to me how this is going on so much with our Democrats. I am so sorry it does not bother you at all.

Want to start a 3rd thread to go after me? Go for it.

[wndycty]

24. Oh the irony. . .

"This is really outrageous for someone to start another thread to bash me from a one-line, short subject line post from NOV 22!"

Sort of like continuing implying that Barack Obama said something that he did not. Oh please, I started this thread and I had no idea what you said on November 22, I just know that there are a lot of DUers thinking Obama said something he did not and bashing him for it.

[madfloridian]

26. Whatever you say.

Oh, please. Maybe a lot on the Randi Rhodes message board heard wrong as well.

I think our Democrats should speak up...all of them. They don't have to use the word fraud, but they should speak up. Kucinich is the only one working with a recount.

I criticize all of them officially.

[wndycty]

29. You do a good job of that. . .

. . .it is a very rare day that I can quote R&B (almost was) great Alexander O'Neal on the DU but that opportunity just opened up:

Criticize

Can't you find something else to talk about?
Is this song the only one you sins?
Makes you look better when you put things down?
Value your opinion!
Don't criticize my friends
criticize my ideas
Don't criticize my life style
I'm fed up 'cause all you wanna do is criticize.
You've just closed your mind
ooh ooh - criticize!
Yov don't realize - all you wanna do is criticize.
I just want what is right
still you say
criticize.
Now can't we talk this over?
'Cause your conversation ain't right.
We can make our love stronger
you don't have to think twice.
Don't criticize my friends
criticize my ideas
. . .
You've just closed your mind
ooh ooh - criticize! . . .
You've just closed your mind
ooh ooh - critieize! . . .
Don't criticize my mode
dear
criticize my feeling
Don't criticize my tears
dear
I'm fed up 'cause all you wanna do is criticize.
You've just closed your mind
ooh ooh - criticize! . . .
You've just closed your mind
ooh ooh - criticize! . . .
You've just closed your mind
ooh ooh - criticize! . . .

[madfloridian]

32. Well, maybe more here should criticize instead of defending.

If the Democrats stop voting for things that are wrong-headed, I will be the first to apologize.

[CatWoman]

39. HOT DAMN!!!!!!

I LOVE THAT SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Wndy -- don't sweat it. Some people are INTENT on purposefully "misunderstanding" things.

[wndycty]

41. I knew someone would appreciate that reference. . .

. . .what was his X-mas song, I need to download it.

[madfloridian]

42. Right.. "Some people" like me.

Right. I get up every morning and think who will I misunderstand today. I did that this morning as well, and I have done a hell of good job of it.

Ah the joy.

[CatWoman]

43. actually, I didn't have you in mind

relax.

[madfloridian]

45. Hard to do that here.

.

[CatWoman]

48. regardless

that's the truth -- you were the last person I had in mind when I posted that. I've had my own experience(s), and you were not involved.

[wndycty]

51. Great but. . .

. . .what the name of Alexander O'Neal's X-mas song?

[CatWoman]

56. Is it

My Christmas Gifts ?

[wndycty]

57. I'm not sure it goes. . .

Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Santas coming or something like that.

[robbedvoter]

25. You don't mind if I withold my apologies until January 6, will you?

Should he join reps in contesting the Ohio electoral votes, I'll open a humbly crow eating thread - and do so happily.
For now....:shrug:

[wndycty]

27. Hold them all you want. . .

. . .I really don't expect much from those who who are beating up on Obama right now, he can do right in their book and there is very little he can do to get in their good graces. I don't expect anything that happens on January 6 will change things.

[madfloridian]

34. I did NOT beat up on him. How can you say that?

That is the worst thing you can do, is to call any critique of someone, any questioning....beating up on someone.

That is exactly what is wrong with our country now...no one speaks out.

[wndycty]

37. First, I was not responding to you it was another poster. . .

. . .but secondly if you know anything about Obama is he speaks out. He led (not just participated, but led)protest against the war.

[robbedvoter]

49. As I posted earlier, should he take a position FOR challenging

electoral votes, I'f become the president of his fan club.

[madfloridian]

28. I don't expect any at all..

This place is toxic now for anyone who criticizes the party on any level. Actually, I did not criticize..but never mind.

This is now a let's not criticize the Democrats board, and I think that we must do so to survive.

If they come out in support of the recount, I will be the first to applaud them.

But for now, I am still wrapping my head around the anti-choice part of the Omnibus bill...and the IRS segment....and this war...

:shrug:

[wndycty]

30. Nothing wrong with criticizing Dems, irrationality is another thing. . .

:kick:

[madfloridian]

31. Tell me how I was irrational? If you say I am, show me.

There is too much of this stuff here now. Please show how I am irrational. Dredge up old posts, do what you must to make me look bad....please do.

Irrational is not usually one of my things. So show me.

[wndycty]

36. Thanks for the opportunity

"I felt he was implying, just as Kerry actually said....quit crying in your teacups."

I don't have time to look up all of your posts, but let's just look at this statement made earlier in this thread. You "felt he was implying" there is nothing wrong with feeling he was implying something, but those of you who are waging a "bash Obama campaign" based upon something you "felt he was implying" you guys are being IRRATIONAL. Admit it. He never said get "over it," you just "felt he was implying."

Now others have gone to say that he really did say "get over it" and that is their basis for bashing him. The problem is he never said it, but some people swear he did and that could be based on the words of you and others who "felt he was implying" something. So to base an attack on someone based on a subjective interpretation of a supposed implication is er uh, whats that word? IRRATIONAL!

[madfloridian]

38. Good Lord, windy.

I like Barack Obama very much. He was one of the first Dean Dozen. We supported his campaign financially, and I have been impressed with him.

I lump him with the others in not speaking out that every vote needs to be counted. I did not bash him.

[wndycty]

40. Oh I am sorry, since Howard Dean told you it was OK to support him. . .

. . .I should have know that you weren't bashing him. Since Howard Dean told you it was OK I should not have interpreted your "felt he was implying" as anything. How stupid of me. I'm sure glad he was an original Dean Dozen, he probably would not have gotten your support and more importanly he might not have won.

[madfloridian]

44. Good grief, you are bitter. What a horrible thing to say.

We made a decision to support the DFA and the Dean Dozen since he dropped out. Last I heard it is ok to do that. I have been aware of candidates more than ever throughout the country.

We financially donate to many of them, and we still keep in touch through email and even phone calls with some.

I think what you said is out of line.

[wndycty]

46. LOL, I am out of line? but judging Obama based on an implication isn't?

LOL

Also how am I bitter? I'm just making sure that those who are going to throw shit at Obama have their own shit together. Go ahead criticize Obama. . .IF HE DESERVES IT, but when that criticism is based on an IRRATIONAL KNEE JERK OVEREACTION, I will pounce and not really care if I am out of line.

[madfloridian]

47. You need to read what you said about our donating to him.

You were implying that the donations of those of us in the DFA did not mean anything...and what you said was disparaging. You sort of made fun of the idea that we supported him financially, as we did others.

That is the ultimate insult to me, that what we did not mean anything.

[wndycty]

50. I'm not concerned about insulting people, especially when. . .

. . .many of those people I'm insulting will ignore Barack Obama's record in the Illinois Senate, ignore his activism and put him on their watch list because he was not blatantly partisan on the Randi Rhodes show. It seems some people can dish it out and cannot take it.

[madfloridian]

52. Did you notice that we donated to and supported him? What is the problem?

You are upset that I said we supported him financially. This is unreal, and something is broken here.

[wndycty]

54. Why should it matter?

A lot of people supported him. I applaud and salute anyone who supported him, but using that as a cover for bashing him based on an implication is Bush league. Also what does him being a member of the Dean Dozen have to do with this conversation. Kudos to Howard Dean for making him a member of the Dean Dozen, why did you even introduce that to this conversation? Was it relevant?

[madfloridian]

58. Relevant because it would be silly to "bash" someone we donated to.

That would be foolish indeed.

[madfloridian]

53. You just insulted the ones who were Dean Dozens. A little over the top.

Don't you think?

[wndycty]

55. Its ok to dump on Dems (Obama/Kerry) but don't touch the Dean Dozen!

LOL

[madfloridian]

59. Questioning is not "dumping", it is not "attacking". Why so angry,,,,,

about the Dean Dozen?

[wndycty]

60. I'm not angry about the Dean Dozen. . .

. . .I'm angry at anyone who will "question" Obama on such flimsy grounds as "felt he implied." I while I'm not angry about the Dean Dozen I think its silly that you would bring up the Dean Dozen in this conversation.

[never cry wolf]

35. I apologize, nothing personal I assure you

I too have no idea what you originally said, you were'nt even in the thread originally referenced in this thread, where a number of people were criticizing Obama for saying "get over it." That is who my remarks were aimed at.

I agree, I wish all dems would speak up and shout from the rooftops, but without proof they would be dismissed as "sore losermen." I believe many are trying to get to the truth but with the media spin fully in GOP control, they need a damn good case. Look at what happened to Rather.

I appreciate your praise of Obama in a previous post and agree, I would not want anyone telling me to "get over it." I did not feel Obama did that.

Peace and lets get these bush bastards!