Watching Big Brother Watch Us

[Berserker]

This is posted at politrix forum I found it interesting. http://www.politrix.org/
check out November http://www.politrix.org/NOVDEC
I'm sure DU is also watched. Why do you think they watch us? Do they hate us for our freedom? I would think they have better things to do you know with a war on. We are not the ones they want they should check out 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. :scared:

[MatrixEscape]

1. Not only am I sure

that they watch us. I tend to smell some agent types posting now and then, both of the manipulative and of provocateur types.

But then, that is to be expected, right? Mark Twain would understand my type of paranoia ;)

Oh ... These are not the droids you are looking for!

There.

[shesemsmom]

2. Ditto

Big brother is always watching Let them watch, I have no secrets:evilgrin:

[Vickers]

3. Hey, I have a secret for 'em...

KISS MY ASS, YOU ANTI-AMERICAN FREAKS.

Go read the Constitution, huh? You might learn something.

[shesemsmom]

4. Me too!!!!!!!!

ROTF LMAO
BITE ME BIG BROTHER!!!:bounce:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. both of the manipulative and of provocateur types

them too... "I think". We should make all the agent Mikes sign a loyalty oath before they are allowed to post in here and stir up trouble.... yeah... a loyalty oath, now why didn't I think of that... Karl??? How pathetic... a loyalty oath to weed out those who might speak the truth and shatter the smoking mirrors.... heh, heh, heh...

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. Funny you should mention that about agent types.

And in those words.

[MatrixEscape]

14. Funny you should mention that

we mentioned that!?!

[Lizzie Borden]

5. They propbably are watching.

This is your tax dollar at work. It's a total waste of course because from being here I know that most of the posters here care deeply about their democracy and want it to be the best it can be.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

6. Your tax dollars hard at work spying on DU!

http://news.com.com/Security+officials+to+spy+on+chat+rooms/2100-7348_3-5466140.html?tag=cd.lede

"The proposed system could aid the intelligence community to discover hidden communities and communication patterns in chat rooms without human intervention."
--Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute research proposal

Security officials to spy on chat rooms

By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Security+officials+to+spy+on+chat+rooms/2100-7348_3-5466140.html

Story last modified Wed Nov 24 10:28:00 PST 2004

The CIA is quietly funding federal research into surveillance of Internet chat rooms as part of an effort to identify possible terrorists, newly released documents reveal.
In April 2003, the CIA agreed to fund a series of research projects that the documents indicate were intended to create "new capabilities to combat terrorism through advanced technology." One of those projects is research at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., devoted to automated monitoring and profiling of the behavior of chat-room users.

Even though the money ostensibly comes from the National Science Foundation, CIA officials were involved in selecting recipients for the research grants, according to a contract between the two agencies obtained by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) and reviewed by CNET News.com.

NSF program director Leland Jameson said Wednesday the two-year agreement probably will not be renewed for the 2005 fiscal year. "Probably we won't be working with the CIA anymore at all," Jameson said. "I think that people have moved on to other things."

The NSF grant for chat-room surveillance was reported earlier this year, but without disclosure of the CIA's role in the project. The NSF-CIA memorandum of understanding says that while the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and the fight against terrorism presented U.S. spy agencies with surveillance challenges, existing spy "capabilities can be significantly enhanced with advanced technology."

EPIC director Marc Rotenberg, whose nonprofit group obtained the documents through the Freedom of Information Act, said the CIA's clandestine involvement was worrisome. "The intelligence community is changing the priorities of scientific research in the U.S.," Rotenberg said. "You have to be careful that the National Science Foundation doesn't become the National Spy Foundation."

A CIA representative would not answer questions, saying the agency's policy is never to talk about funding. The two Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute researchers involved, Bulent Yener and Mukkai Krishnamoorthy, did not respond to interview requests.

Their proposal, also disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act, received $157,673 from the CIA and NSF. It says: "We propose a system to be deployed in the background of any chat room as a silent listener for eavesdropping...The proposed system could aid the intelligence community to discover hidden communities and communication patterns in chat rooms without human intervention."

Yener and Krishnamoorthy, both associate professors of computer science, wrote that their research would involve writing a program for "silently listening" to an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) channel and "logging all the messages." One of the oldest and most popular methods

for chatting online, IRC attracts hundreds of thousands of users every day. A history written by IRC creator Jarkko Oikarinen said the concept grew out of chat technology for modem-based bulletin boards in the 1980s.

The Yener and Krishnamoorthy proposal says their research will begin Jan. 1, 2005 but does not say which IRC servers will be monitored.

A June 2004 paper they published, also funded by the NSF, described a project that quietly monitored users of the popular Undernet network, which has about 144,000 users and 50,000 channels. In the paper, Yener and Krishnamoorthy predicted their work "could aid (the) intelligence community to eavesdrop in chat rooms, profile chatters and identify hidden groups of chatters in a cost-effective way" and that their future research will focus on identifying "topic-based information."

Al Teich, director of science and policy programs at the American Association for the Advancement of Science, said he does not object to the CIA funding terrorism-related research in general.

"I don't know about chat-room surveillance, but doing research on issues related to terrorism is certainly legitimate," Teich said. "Whether the CIA ought to be funding research in universities in a clandestine manner is a different issue."

SIDEBAR:

Listening in

The CIA has been working behind the scenes for a number of months to help develop technology for monitoring chat on the Internet. A real-world test starts with the New Year.

• November 2002: Invitation-only workshop convened by CIA and NSF on antiterrorism research.
• April 2003: CIA and NSF sign "memorandum of understanding" to fund technology research.
• June 2004: Deadline for submitting research proposals to NSF.
• July 2004: CIA and NSF review nearly 250 research proposals.
• January 2005: Scheduled start date of chat room monitoring project at Rensselaer Polytechnic.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. This was posted yesterday

and someone made the suggestion to google your screen name. Do it. You can see if freepers are quoting you in their blogs.

[Hippo_Tron]

8. Whether this is true or not depends on their level of Paranoia

No offense guys, but I'm not sure that we should flatter ourselves. Despite the fact that this is a place where people discuss the truth about this administration, it's not like the country will believe us. If they did believe us, Kerry would've won the elction by a landslide. Now, on the other hand, if Bush & co. are paranoid, that's a different story entirely.

[Richard D]

9. Wonder

. . . if any of them will be converted? Interesting thought. Truth sometimes does that to ya.

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. Oh, they're here.

Closer than you think. I suppose it's their job.

[DaveofCali]

10. This is a WAR.... intelligence is part of war

Republicans have been in a war against Democrats and liberals. Intelligence is always a part of war.

[meganmonkey]

11. this is FASCISM...paranoia and surveillance is part of fascism n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

12. Oh ,they are here, there, and everywhere I'm sure.

for petes sake we pay people to peruse teenage chat rooms so we can lure child molesters to thier arrest at the state and local level. Why wouldn't the US gov't monitor websites that could potentially spark a change in the direction they want to go. Not to mention the terrorism aspect of forums and chat rooms. It's not really conspiracy theory to suggest this. More like reality theory.

[BeFree]

16. Terrorism aspect of forums?

Yeah, big plans are launched here all the time. Hahaha

Gotta watch those open forums, ya never know when a war will be hatched that just may take over Peoria!

Yep, we need to give all of our rights over to the great and magnificent wizard. They will save our sorry asses, just like they did on 9/11, eh?

Look, over there! I tot I taw a terraist!

Terrorist aspect of forums? That's hilarious! That's sick.

[Buns_of_Fire]

23. Damn! You gave it away!

And we were just a few days away from launching our takeover of Peoria, too! Now we'll have to switch to Plan "B" (Beaver Bend, Oregon).

Oops...

Okay, as you were on switching to Plan "B". The new operative plan is PLAN C. Got that? PLAN C. And please don't let it slip about our stockpiles of multi-orgasmic Orgone Gas that we're going to release over the "Plan C" town from uncle Grover's cropduster, okay?

Hi, Agent Mike! :hi:

[Berserker]

17. Terrorism aspect of forums and chat rooms?

If I were looking for terrorists I don't believe I would be looking in chat rooms and forums. I would look for them in other country's like Iraq because if you don't find any you at least can have the oil. What do forums and chat rooms have to offer? Do they think that terrorists post anti-bush statements?

[bush_is_wacko]

20. There are plenty of foriegn websites

For chrissake the web is world wide, remember. I'm not talking just about this site! Geeze, you really have to watch any off the cuff remarks these days. Notice I said here, there, and everywhere. There are several Arab forums and chat rooms. My connection re: chat rooms and forums was an attempt to connect the dots to what local police are doing. Do you really think the gov't doesn't realize the internet is a tool?

[proudbluestater]

18. Big Brother needs to find something else to do...

Does the CIA spy on Americans? Does it keep a file on you?

By law, the CIA is specifically prohibited from collecting foreign intelligence concerning the domestic activities of US citizens.

Its mission is to collect information related to foreign intelligence and foreign counterintelligence. By direction of the President in Executive Order 12333 of 1981 and in accordance with procedures issued by the Director of Central Intelligence and approved by the Attorney General, the CIA is restricted in the collection of intelligence information directed against US citizens. Collection is allowed only for an authorized intelligence purpose; for example, if there is a reason to believe that an individual is involved in espionage or international terrorist activities. The CIA's procedures require senior approval for any such collection that is allowed, and, depending on the collection technique employed, the sanction of the Attorney General and Director of Central Intelligence may be required. These restrictions on the CIA have been in effect since the 1970s.

http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/wofact99/20.htm#5

[tom_paine]

25. That was superseded by the unPATRIOT Act

Even if it was NOT redacted by legislation, after "9/11 changed everything" (actually it was 12/12 that changed everything), it would be redacted in practice.

That is a 1999 wevsite, I believe.

But little that applied to the Old Republic in it's final years, applies to Imperial Amerika.

(Did my CTAC Rating go up for that?)

[St. Jarvitude]

21. A lot of those domains looks spoofed:

For example...

evil.ramstein.af.mil

In fact, a lot of the hosts don't even resolve.

Probably just some Freeper jerking off with his AR-15 pretending he's got the balls to serve in the military :evilgrin:

[LittleClarkie]

22. There are probably more agents than there used to be

Seeing as so many are losing their jobs and such. They need SOMETHING to do with themselves. Which would mean they're on our side. At least on the side of truth anyway. Yeah, disgruntled spooks with time on their hands. Good idea Bush Co.

But we probably have the other variety too. Wave to the nice agents everyone. Hi Agent Mike :hi:

[talk hard]

24. Hope Big Bro Like This

A letter from Newsweek.


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[AuntPatsy]

26. Watching chat rooms is not new guys, if one recalls, the CNN

one which I highly enjoyed was closed down right after 9/11, it was whispered that the cia closed it down and were in fact watching certain posts which if you ask me was smart and yet, they did nothing?

I tell you this because I recall it being my first time on reading such sites. It was hugely informative and had people from all over the world posting day and night seeing as the time zones were so different, one thing it wasn't was boring....

To make a long story short, I noticed several times over the course of a few months some strange posts. And when I say strange, I mean random messages in say the middle east thread that talked of bright sunsets at a certain time, the city shall light thier way, things like that, I cannot recall in more vivid detail other than to say..

That I would tell my husband about it. I believed it to be some sort of coded messages being transferred both day and night with the same one's posting pretty much on cue...Obviously I was bored and thought it a bit intriguing seeing as I usualy had spent time reading highly intelligent conversations from people in different parts of the globe..

He made fun of me and told me to quit wasting my time, then 9/11 happened, the site was closed down for good, and it was a while before I recalled all that I had read finding it highly supisious at the time...

And people tend to think I dramztize too much. Well, considering what happened and the fact that I myself had conversations with some of them and could tell they were mideastern and very intelligent by the way and something was definately in the air..

Why couldn't those watching this site not see it either? Did they ignore it or did they indeed report this to the heads of state but were largely ignored....

I don't know, it just seems strange that they now are watching this forum, for the real threat is obviously from alot higher up than anyone on this forum can attest too or those that watched the CNN thread would have acted on what I even saw as being highly suspect, and me nothing more than a mere housewife...

Just stating my opionion to the powers that be and whom might be watching. Where were you when 9/11 occurred? And why did it take so long to alert our military when it was clear that something was definately amiss when the first plane did NOT answer Boston's air traffic controller when it veered off course...

Are we to assume that this adminstration was asleep at the wheels when the third plane hit the pentagon? Or are we to assume that you were not asleep, but just holding back a bit for whatever reasons they might have been?