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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:41 AM Original message |
Alright - Am I the only DU'er who thinks Kerry actually lost? |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. absolutely not |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. I dont know |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Kerry would have made a FANTASTIC President |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I know, I agree with you |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
45. Here's what Supreme Court Justice Stevens said |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I wish I could see it this year |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Karl Rove is getting better at it. |
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okieinpain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:39 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. well then we should work toward taking his banana away from |
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GFGOHR (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Worry about future |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Hi GFGOHR!! |
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ModerateMiddle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 12:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. I agree, and I would add |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. Of course not |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. You are not the ONLY ONE |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
96. In the minority? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
5. Deleted message |
Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
46. What happened ? |
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indigolady (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
78. Absentee Ballots have to ARRIVE on election day to be counted.... |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Depends on the state |
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missouri dem 2 (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
7. I respectfully disagree. The Exit Polls were right and the vote was |
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lthuedk (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
8. Only if the media propaganda worked on you. |
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LOSTintheSOUTH (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
9. No. Kerry lost. I hate it but he did. |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
11. Ah, what's the point of your post? |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I never said the country was against Democrats |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I disagree totally |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:18 AM Original message |
The problem with the analogy is I don't see any credible case ... |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
60. You will never convince these people. |
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Carson (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Thanks, Julien, that was one of best posts I've read in awhile |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
103. The gremlins did it!!!! Great post! |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
106. I hate to admit it but I have been feeling the same way |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Deleted message |
Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yes, Bush is a King George |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Deleted message |
Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
94. No, 2000 wasn't "rigged" |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. OMG a voice of cold reason.... What are we to do? |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. Wow! Is this DU or Freeperland? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
15. I disagree But you are entitled to your opinion. |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I agree |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
17. This might be some kind of relevant argument |
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realisticphish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
18. I'm in between |
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sushi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
38. I agree! |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:18 AM Response to Original message |
19. That's because you're a....PRAGMATIST. Nice post, don't agree. |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. We're all pragmatists and idealists, but we're never each |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. eh, I kinda wish I'd called myself "Pragmatic Liberal" |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Ive been calling myself a progressive realist for the past month or so |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Idealism=Raiders; Pragmatism=Steelers |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. nah |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. OK, so explain the logo? Just kidding. |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. ha |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
74. False Dichotomy |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Pragmatist tradition, e.g., William James, John Dewey... |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. weren't those guys also behavioralists |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
80. Good point but you're a bit early. |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
21. There is a large difference between think and know. |
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NoodleBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
26. nope |
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LibeMatt (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:29 AM Response to Original message |
29. Several bad scenarios, and what to do... |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
95. Start persuading them |
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BansheeDem (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:36 AM Response to Original message |
31. At the risk of being berated again for being a low-post count "newbie" ... |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:41 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Welcome to DU, and thanks for your post! |
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BansheeDem (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Actually, we are not in disagreement ... |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:41 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I think insuring election cedibility |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Valid elections are fundamenal to a democracy. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Excellent post. |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
34. Still waiting as to quoted poll figures |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:42 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I concede I don't have the figures readily at my fingertips |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You throw out figures that you cannot confirm |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I will vouch for liberal pragmatist |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
118. Ill vouch for the OP as well |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:48 AM Response to Original message |
40. you're not alone. most democrats do think Kerry lost |
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Lexingtonian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
42. You're a daring one, LP |
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Krocksice (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
43. With some many possibilities for fraud... |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
63. Hi Krocksice!! |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
48. The provisional count in OH has given me closure. This election is over |
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jadedcherub (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:06 AM Response to Original message |
50. Dunno. this data tends to shut my trap whenever I get uppity about the |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
52. It violates the Equal Protection clause of the US Constitution |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
54. I agree with you, liberalpragmatist. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:06 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I agree too. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
57. Denial is a river in Egipt. tell me who were the 11 million extra voters |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I agree |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:52 PM Response to Reply #61 |
98. The problem is that the numbers already speak....... |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
64. I really don't know if he lost, but I sort of lean toward accepting he did |
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KerryDownUnder (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
65. Imagine what would be happening right now if Kerry hadn't conceded |
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Carson (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
66. You're not alone. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
68. I'm starting to think I'm in a liberal bubble -- the country IS rightwing |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
69. I raised that possibility once. |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
105. Ironically you have to becareful...... |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
70. The American people lost |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
71. No, I've reached acceptance, too. |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. Actually we did get our troops out. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Good clarification. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Yeah, their turnout completely rewrote the game in Ohio |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. Not sure we got out the vote |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
72. The country *is* right wing |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #72 |
99. We assume many times that we are in the majority.... |
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ktowntennesseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
75. I'm still not sure, but agree the recount efforts are for future elections |
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shawrick (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
76. kerry lost because he had no message |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. it's the counter-message that democrats keep failing at |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Big guvmint health programs |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
77. how is it that democrats KEEP excusing disenfranshisement? |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #77 |
101. I agree we should address the issues |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. did i SAY it WAS a race issue? |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Certainly but I don't think long lines are a disenfranchisement. n/t |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. what are they? if people "can't" vote because of long lines? |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I voted, and thousands of others did too |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. as i said...perhaps we need to raise our expectations |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I certainly concede that point. n/t |
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mbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
79. The repugs would be going ape if these things had happened to |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
114. well said, mbee |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
81. No . Kerry LOST. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
82. Your kidding, right? |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
85. No, Kerry lost |
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mbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I'm sorry, but you seem to have have your head in the sand for the past |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. The Kerry cabinet threads really piss me off |
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RegexReader (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #85 |
112. yet * is so willing to point fingers at the Ukraine election |
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FubarFly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
89. Kerry had an opportunity to ensure voting integrity |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. No, you're not the only one. |
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PrisonerLazy8 (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
97. Until I see some credible evidence he lost fair and square |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. The smoking gun may be there, I doubt we will ever see it. |
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PrisonerLazy8 (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. Life is horrible now? |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:48 PM Response to Reply #111 |
120. I am living well, so far. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
102. Can't stand Kerry and fellow defeatists such as you, but ABB won! |
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117. Not by the numbers we've been given |
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