A draft is Americas only hope.

[niceypoo]

Sorry to say it but its true. We have a lapdog media that is scared to investigate election cheating because it might not be popular with the 51% that voted for Bush. We have a republican party that has totally shut out the democratic process in congress and the senate. We need an issue to radicalize america. Only a draft will do it. Anything short of that can be spun away by the right. No amount of code yellows will make people accept a draft. Especially Americas youth. 40% of draft age males say they would dodge. If they start a draft is will lead to a new counter-culture. Many many Bush sheep who voted for him because they were "Scared" will wake up to the reality of what they have put upon us. Sorry folks but something bad will have to happen before anything changes.

[eleonora]

1. even if there's a draft

The media will spin it so people don't complain, because they'll be too dumb to protest.

I've lost faith in the majority of this country.

[niceypoo]

2. The media can't spin that effectively

Even if they tried. If it were hugely unpopular the media would jump on the bandwagon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. that is one shock but what will do it is

a combo

Remember we told them what was coming

Draft... when johhny has to get his gun and march off to Iran...

Get rid of Roe v Wade, when suzzie gets banged up and ends up dead due to a botched back alley abortion

When the economy crashes and daddy has no income, and mommy has to cook watered down soup

This is what it will take for the kool aid people to START asking questions. It will take a massive shock and a high missery index

[AndyTiedye]

28. But Then It Will Be Too Late

The Supreme Court justices that overturn Roe v. Wade will be sitting
for another 30-40 years. It will be too late to fight for abortion
or birth control then, those will all be banned by judicial fiat.

The draft directly enables martial law and the militarization and
indoctrination of our society. Expect it to be used to those ends.

[3trievers]

36. well stated

[0007]

40. .......and unemployed journalists walking around in a daze wondering

why they didn't speak up earlier.

[Me.]

4. I Think You May Be Right

It's going to take a real punch to the head to shake out the delusional adoration these people have for ***H. It is only their children that take precedence over him. I have some chickenwing "friends" and I'm waiting for her panic call when her son is drafted. I wonder if it would be too cruel, when her distress will be her first dose of reality, to ask her if she voted for HIM ?

[Nimble_Idea]

7. Nah, just tell her what she has been saying all this time

Shrub is our president and we shouldn't question him.

[gmoney]

5. I'm convinced Red Voters won't care...

They'll say it's an honor to serve our great country, and that their draftee son is a hero, and that their good for nothing kids could use the discipline and character building of a stretch in the military.

And if the Blue Voters bitch about the draft, it's because they're cowards and hate America...

Republican rhetoric could make it happen in a snap... shit, half the cars in America already have yellow ribbons on them.

[jokerman93]

35. I agree

I agree we'll see this, but remember the inevitable back-blast -- the after effects of the carnage and the loss of soul at home. It just may have to get horrendous before breaking through the hard hypnotic shell that's formed over half this country.

But the tide will turn. We are on a losing path at the moment.

[the_outsider]

6. They know it. That's why they will never institute it.

There are way too many poor people in the world who can be hired as mercenaries.

[The Flaming Red Head]

8. One kid very close to my family is already headed for Iraq

and my son wants to follow his best friend, there. They both say that America has nothing for them anyway, so who cares if they die, and they're both under 20.

(Neither one of them believes in the war or any of the rhetoric, or are gung-ho patriotic.)

I wake up panicking over this almost every morning. I hate our country and I hate our president and I hate this war.

I wonder if people like you, who say things like this, have kids that are draft age.

[The Flaming Red Head]

16. But like someone told me on here once. They're my little monsters.

So who cares about them except me.

[LauraT28]

22. sorry to say this but cut your Son's toe off while he sleeps..

He's obviously lost his mind or not mature enough to understand the gravity of the situation. Someday he'll understand why you did what you did...DO NOT LET YOUR BOY JOIN THE MILITARY AND GO TO WAR!!! DON'T DO IT!

[The Flaming Red Head]

27. I'd rather chain myself to a recruiters office.

And make them call in someone to saw me out.

[DeepGreen]

9. No Draft for Me !!!

I have a son that is 18 and a daughter 17. No way !!!
How and where are the 40% going to dodge?
You can't go to Canada anymore.

[freedom for all]

24. not the draft...its all about money & hypocrisy...

If there is a draft most all of the rich will get out of it..The repubs will find ways to avoid the draft as they always do..The public will be scared to death.. Never ending war will keep us of guard to much until it may be to late. I think the only way to hurt them is to take their money away..Their real god is money..Take it away and they will fall apart and go crazy.. But the question is how to do it ??? Plus we need to expose their hypocrisy.

#1 idea....

Maybe boycott repub businesses.. Most of the big state economies in our country are blue states. We need to somehow take advantage of the power we have in these states. The red states are spread out with less population per square foot but still have major expenses to deal with in their economies. For example if we could get the people in the big cities in blue states to start boycotting all at once we could make a real difference. Lets say we all cut our cable off at the same time like February 2005..I think that most of the profit made by big companies are in blue states not the red ones.. Lets say if we could take away 5-15 percent of their total revenue across the country it would make a real impact because that 5-15% would be the profit they make..Take their money away with all kinds of boycoting..

#2 another idea

Expose them for who they are..We are all humans and we make mistakes but it seems like Dem's are the only people held accountable..Just look at Rush Limbaugh.. If a Dem would have traffic in all those pills they would be in jail. Tons of examples of this type of hypocrisy.. Here is one example..The gay right amendments were used as a wedge issue to divide the country and help repubs..They used the hate of gays to mobilize their voters. But there repubs a bunch of repubs who are gay like the new rnc..Wow do all their voters know that. We should start sending their voters & churches all the info we have on their gay members and expose them..Kinda like when the repubs where bashing Clinton for being immoral for his affair..As soon as Larry flint and a few others started exposing the repubs for their indiscretions it all went away.. The repubs stop cause they had skeletons in their closet they did not want exposed..

Some people may feel dirty doing some of this kinda stuff but you must understand something..Its like when you are faced with a bully. You can roll over and take it and give them what they want (ie our Dem leaders now) and things will never change.. But when you stand up to a bully most of the time they fold and walk away.. And if you do get into a brawl with then next time they will know they have a real fight on their hands..Most of the time they just move on cause they want to bully people who fear them and do nothing..

Both of these methods to force change are legal and can be done in a professional way.. We must fight back before the only way to safe our country is throw force and civil war.. Don't fool yourself because how many bogus wars, stolen elections, civil rights and other constitutional rights will be taken away before some people decide to take up arms.. Its closer than you think...

[The Crazy Canadian]

10. There will be another terrorist attack before that happens.

If things go from bad to worse in Iraq and things in Iran go sour, expect another terrorist attack.

[Robeson]

20. Thats what I think too...

...I think they'll institute the draft, if there is another terrorist attack. Then they'll wrap the whole thing into patriotism and the need to end terrorism "once and for all", by starting the draft in order to "save America". They've probably got contingency plans in place for this already, just like the Patriot Act was in place before 9/11.

[St. Jarvitude]

11. Do you have kids?

More specifically, do you have kids who are very near draft age?

I get the feeling that when a draft is instated (it's inevitable), there will be no college deferments, no conscientious objector status, and draft dodging will be punishable by death.

Does anyone know anything about how the Fascists in Italy and the Nazis in Germany ran their drafts, if at all? Were their armies 100% volunteer (brainwashed by the propaganda machines for sure)?

[OneBlueSky]

12. it's inevitable . . . they can't sustain their troop requirements . . .

any other way . . . especially if they want to add Iraq and Syria to the list of invaded countries (which they undoubtedly do) . . . look for it mid-2005 . . . and tell all your draft age friends to work on developing disqualifying medical conditions between now and then . . .

[menoz]

13. something bad will have to happen ( ? )

niceypoo said : Sorry folks but something bad will have to happen before anything changes

carefull!
that looks alot like an admittion that bad things aren't already happening (i know thats not what you are saying) but imagine how the other side will interpret(spin) it.

[newyawker99]

41. Hi menoz!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. DRAFT ALL YOUNG REPUBLICANS!

[yorkiemommie1]

15. and the old ones too n/t

[Florida_Geek]

17. 51% never voted for Bush

Kerry won the popular vote and electoral college.

[Obviousman]

18. Sadly you are right

In today's self centered society, people need to feel the pain first hand before they become grounded in reality.

[noiretextatique]

19. i fear you are right

perhaps some bush voters will wake up when more their own children are endangered by their leader.

[sergei kirov]

32. unfortunately second that

My idiot brother and his wife voted for that *. Both are pro-choice and not religious. I think their daughters will have to be maimed by a back alley abortionist before they understand. Their money protects them from most of the other disasters.

Their 10 year old daughter made an inane comment about avoiding Heinz ketchup. Welcome to the new Hitler youth.

[noiretextatique]

33. why did they vote for bush?

i am collecting the inane and insane reasons that people give for voting for a complete moran and utter failure...thanks!
unfortunately, those who don't think they will be hurt by voting for sociopaths might not be...can't say the same for their poor children.

[Malva Zebrina]

21. Does anyone remember Rep. Charlie Rangle bringing up the draft

a few years ago. Everybody's jaw was dropping because no one could figure out why this Democrat was suggesting such a thing. I think he also co authored a bill but not sure what happened. I did not keep track of it all.

At that time, he also made it clear that there should be no college deferments and that people from all income brackets would be subject to the draft-- across the board.

He must have had a vision that far back, of things to come.

[LauraT28]

23. Bring it on!! I'm eager for the Fight to begin!! Draft is a good way

to start the fight! I'm gearing up for the riots, marches and the physical altercations with the facist police. We VASTLY outnumber them and all we need to do is get 10 or 15 million of us to band together and we win. This is FACT.

[freedom for all]

25. Not a draft.. its about money & hypocisy...

This is a duplicate from earler.. Sorry..
=====================================

If there is a draft most all of the rich will get out of it..The repubs will find ways to avoid the draft as they always do..The public will be scared to death.. Never ending war will keep us of guard to much until it may be to late. I think the only way to hurt them is to take their money away..Their real god is money..Take it away and they will fall apart and go crazy.. But the question is how to do it ??? Plus we need to expose their hypocrisy.

#1 idea....

Maybe boycott repub businesses.. Most of the big state economies in our country are blue states. We need to somehow take advantage of the power we have in these states. The red states are spread out with less population per square foot but still have major expenses to deal with in their economies. For example if we could get the people in the big cities in blue states to start boycotting all at once we could make a real difference. Lets say we all cut our cable off at the same time like February 2005..I think that most of the profit made by big companies are in blue states not the red ones.. Lets say if we could take away 5-15 percent of their total revenue across the country it would make a real impact because that 5-15% would be the profit they make..Take their money away with all kinds of boycoting..

#2 another idea

Expose them for who they are..We are all humans and we make mistakes but it seems like Dem's are the only people held accountable..Just look at Rush Limbaugh.. If a Dem would have traffic in all those pills they would be in jail. Tons of examples of this type of hypocrisy.. Here is one example..The gay right amendments were used as a wedge issue to divide the country and help repubs..They used the hate of gays to mobilize their voters. But there repubs a bunch of repubs who are gay like the new rnc..Wow do all their voters know that. We should start sending their voters & churches all the info we have on their gay members and expose them..Kinda like when the repubs where bashing Clinton for being immoral for his affair..As soon as Larry flint and a few others started exposing the repubs for their indiscretions it all went away.. The repubs stop cause they had skeletons in their closet they did not want exposed..

Some people may feel dirty doing some of this kinda stuff but you must understand something..Its like when you are faced with a bully. You can roll over and take it and give them what they want (ie our Dem leaders now) and things will never change.. But when you stand up to a bully most of the time they fold and walk away.. And if you do get into a brawl with then next time they will know they have a real fight on their hands..Most of the time they just move on cause they want to bully people who fear them and do nothing..

Both of these methods to force change are legal and can be done in a professional way.. We must fight back before the only way to safe our country is throw force and civil war.. Don't fool yourself because how many bogus wars, stolen elections, civil rights and other constitutional rights will be taken away before some people decide to take up arms.. Its closer than you think...

[Selatius]

29. You're forgetting the 50,000,000+ who voted for Bush

Some of them are probably "patriotic" enough to take up arms against us. Remember that the American Revolution was also a civil war between the rebels and the loyalists.

[AndyTiedye]

26. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

If they start up the draft, there will be nothing to stop them. They
could get us into "4 more wars" and still have enough troops to
enforce martial law here.

It wouldn't be so much a draft as a hurricane -- a general mobilization
and militarization of the whole society. They will, of course, take
that opportunity to impose mandatory political and religious indoctrination
on those who escape those in the schools and on TV.

What easier way to strip the people of their rights all at once than to draft them?
We already know that once the military gets someone in their clutches now,
they think they own them for life.

Resistance would probably be too little and too late to stop the mobilization,
and once it is in progress there will be martial law.

We must not let them wield the power of conscription over us!!

[mainer]

30. Draft will suck up more red-staters anyway

They're the ones who mindlessly go where the good lord Bush tells them to go. Those of us with a brain will fight it on behalf of our sons.

[The Flaming Red Head]

34. I'm in a red state and I don't want any of them to go

Our kids may not be blue bloods, and they might be poor working class southern boys, but we all hurt when they hurt, and I am terrified my sweeties are going to die over there for Halliburton. Oh and BTW we voted for Kerry and I actually liked him and Edwards. My sign is still in my yard and I won't take it down.

[mainer]

39. Sorry -- I meant "red-staters" not in a geographical sense

There are red-staters living here in the blue states too. I mean people who are so in thrall to Bush they will do what he says.

[forgethell]

31. You know,

I really don't understand this reasoning. Parsing it down, it seems to say that things are so fine now that there is no way we can win an election?? Is that your position?? Because what are we Democrats for? I think it is to improve things ini our country. If the country does not need any improvement, then we hae accomplished our goals and have no worries.

I cannot, morally or practically, see that we should make things worse, or hope things get worse, just so we can win an election. this makes us as bad, or worse, as the the Repukes. Is that whaat you are saying??

If the American people cannot see things as we see them, the that's OK. Eventually things will work out badly, and we'll be returned to power. But to WISH for this is obscene, IMNSHO! And a draft is as bad as it gets.

[tsuki]

37. Only 40%? I thought that all the neocons would follow their

leader's sterling example...AWOL is kewl.

[tsuki]

38. If they reinstate the draft,

I will know every Democrat that votes for it. And I will research every neocon in congress and find out if their children, grandchildren are serving.

No Bush/Cheney Free Passes. The reason those two are so gung-ho on this war is that they DID NOT serve. They have only lived off the land, never served it.