What will it take before a sovereign nation officially declares war on US?

[Bullshot]

And I mean militarily.

It appears that several prominent countries are doing it more subtly, through economic means (i.e. - the dollar's plunge against the euro).

Will it be another invasion of, let's say, North Korea? And if North Korea retaliates and another country is victimized in the process, will that turn the trick?

It seems that the credibility of the Bush Administration and therefore, the U.S., is very thin.

[Maple]

1. There are two ways

to conquer a nation. One is militarily, and the other is economically.

Why get into a costly shooting war, when there are better means available?

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Yep, everyone will pull their funds out of us and invest in the EU

[brainshrub]

2. A suicidal leadership would be the first step.

Any nation that openly declares war will be bombed to glass.

[KnowerOfLogic]

15. Don't a few other countries have nukes too?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. The dollar is not war.

That is a frother meme. Our dollar has significent and fundamental problems, from the real state of our economy and government spending. They are buying bucks and bonds on the open market. If that product is not attractive, has turned shabby, then why should they continue to buy it?

Answer: They shouldn't. That is capitalism.

The problem with the dollar is not them. It is our government.

[illflem]

4. Now that China has signed a 25 year agreement with Iran

for almost 100% of oil exports and is financing development of new oil fields it seems to me that any attack on Iran will be viewed as an attack on China.
Don't think bush wants to go there since the Chinese military is larger than the entire US population.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Since When

Now that China has signed a 25 year agreement with Iran"
Posted by illflem

"Don't think bush wants to go there since the Chinese military is larger than the entire US population."

http://www.brook.edu/views/articles/ohanlon/1999natint_sum.htm



China wields by far the world's largest military, with 2.8 million soldiers, sailors and airmen—twice the American number


America has a population of nearly 300,000,000 ....

[Warpy]

6. I think we'll see the notion of sanctions first

but they'll be targeted sanctions. The world doesn't want to lose its primary market, although Idiot's economic policy of fattening the rich at the expense of working and middle class people will end the gravy train.

I think sanctions will increase as the market is choked off.

I think Idiot may puff and blow about how sanctions are an act of war.

I think the world may call his bluff.

I think this country will be SOL by then. We don't make cloth, clothing, shoes, electronics, or even enough arms to supply the war in Iraq. A beggared population will be far less interested in supporting the jingoism of a rich frat boy.

In any case, if Congress or the military fail to deal with this man, it's going to be a miserable time for most of us. I can see no good outcome for Idiot's policies.

[DELUSIONAL]

7. Won't happen -- the attack will be economic

The more bushie forces the U.S. into debt -- allowing foreign countries to own a piece of the US perhaps means that one day China could own the U.S.

Only Japan was stupid enough to attack the U.S. -- and that was a territory of the U.S. -- the stolen Hawaiian Islands.

Since the bushies are so intent on hiding what really happened leading up to 9/11 2001 and on 9/11 -- we really don't know who exactly attacked and how much the bushie gang was involved in letting the attacks happen.

The question who would be fool enough to attack the U.S. -- the only person more of an idiot than bush -- is the leader of North Korea. But that would be some sort of hit and run -- and I really doubt that that short fat guy is as dumb as the dumb-ass from Crawford -- to preemptively strike the U.S.

Best bet to do the most damage to the U.S. -- economically --and bushie all by his lonesome is doing a right fine job of economically devastating the U.S.

[desertalien]

8. Are the Saudis the largest investors in the US?

Is that one of the reasons the bushies are so buddy-buddy with them?
What if they took all their money out of the stock market or just liquidated everything they own here? Would that start an economic domino thingy? Internationally I mean. :eyes:

[forgethell]

9. Nothing will cause any

sovereign nation to commit suicide in such a foolhardy fashion.

[welshTerrier2]

10. two points ...

when it happens, it won't be just a single nation ...

and, it won't happen militarily ... the U.S. collapse will result from economic pressure, not military ...

[robbedvoter]

11. A year or 2 of W ruinous policies - to make us weak enough

Once our armies are over-extended and economy in the toilet, it can happen. that, or terrorism up the wazoo - but the world is unifying and organizing - and it will not be pretty. And we won't be spared.

[Selatius]

12. Economic warfare is the way to go, shooting wars are last on the list

Most major powers throughout history were both economic as well as military giants. It is more cost effective to beat one's opponent without wasting energy on guns and bombs. China is waging economic war against us at present. The EU will soon be forced to cut us off if our dollar sinks too low, too fast.

[whosinpower]

13. To date

The US spends more than double on its military than all the rest of the world COMBINED.

The only way to bring the US more into line of the rest of the world is through economic means. It is happening as I sit here and type. The dollar is collapsing, debt is up, foreign nations are less willing now to buy US debt - and I cannot see any reason why they would change their policy.
The WTO has authorized sanctions against the US.

There is a funny thing about credibility - once lost, it is almost impossible to regain. And thus far, we see very very little reports coming out of Iraq that would indicate whatever government is chosen will be anything other than a puppet regime to the American empire. Opponents to Allawi are being assassinated. Violence and attacks are way way way up (thank Negreponte - he did it before, why not again?) and nobody, NOBODY talks about how Bremer set things up to virtually eliminate any soverign Iraq government from having any say in their future.

I feel badly for many Americans who will shoulder the burden over Bush.

[Her Blondness]

14. Yeah, what about OUR evil regime???

Can't someone topple OUR dictator and set up a democracy here???

But seriously, people are dying everyday in Iraq and Afghanistan supposedly for the right to vote in a democratic society, and yet the repugs suppress the vote here in the U.S.

I think if we make any more unilateral invasions into oil-rich countries to take them over and set up puppet governments, much of the rest of the world will militarily unite against us.

[KnowerOfLogic]

16. It could happen in the form of countries aiding our next invasion target.

It's doubtful that anyone would feel the need to pre-emptively attack us on our own soil, but at some point other nations may provide overt military aid to a country under attack by us.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Wouldn't Help Much

Look at Gulf War 1 ....


Iraq was armed to the teeth with the best French and Soviet weapons and they were crushed....


Taking up arms against America is about as suicidal as getting in the ring with a twenty year old Mike Tyson...


More suicidal because I can envision scenarios where a wise boxer could have beat Tyson even in his prime...

[billyskank]

19. Nobody will

the vast nuclear arsenal will see to that.