Do We Democrats Want Hillary to Run in 2008?

[Chicago Democrat]

Ok, assume we lost or can't prove the voting fraud...

Do you want Hillary or "somebody else?

[amber dog democrat]

1. I'd feel better if she stayed in the senate.

There are too many negatives for her to win.

[Chicago Democrat]

2. I agree.... What we need is an anti-war candidate.

A real one. I don't even care if we win or not at this point.

[JohnKleeb]

4. anti war in a general sense or anti specific war?

[Chicago Democrat]

6. Um anti Iraq War and ...

Iran war or whatever new war they have planned..

Hillary has been a hawk and that's not cool.

[JohnKleeb]

7. thanks for specifying

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. What We Need Is Somebody That Can Win

nt

[bush_is_wacko]

43. You got that one right! n/t

[fujiyama]

26. Three years or so from now

we don't know what kind of shit we'll be left with. We don't know what new wars we'll have to clean up, as well other domestic and international conflicts.

Either way, Hillary would be a weak candidate. She has the reputation of being a socialist, but in reality her record has been very moderate and has been in support of many major intitatives set forth by the president.

Her numbers are high right now because of name recognition. We should remember Lieberman's numbers were high early on as well. Hopefully Dems will wake up in time and realize we need a governor or someone with some executive experience (Clark or Warner type).

[JohnKleeb]

3. someone else but if she's the nominee, she'll have my vote

[EST]

37. Me, too.

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[Selatius]

5. What is it that offends Democrats about her?

Is it that she represents the old face of the Democratic Party and that we need a new one? Is it that she is too close to the DLC? Is it because she's just in it for the power?

I'm curious here. I'd like you guys to say what it is about her that seems off.

[Chicago Democrat]

8. Her pro-Likud stand, her pro-Iraq war vote, what happened to the

liberal that used to be there?

[Selatius]

13. Well, her Iraq vote is going to hurt (flip-flopper label)

I also can't stand the Likudniks' policy of colonizing the West Bank/Gaza Strip. They should have never been allowed to build one single house in there, nor should they have allowed even one settler in.

[fortyfeetunder]

42. Remember she had the same info Kerry had on Iraq

If she knew what us DU'ers knew then, you think she would have voted FOR Iraq?

[Zensea]

9. I don't believe in monarchy

Hillary Clinton does not offend me, but the idea of such a narrow ruling class does.
It's bad enough that a son of a former president is president right now. Having the wife of a former president be the next president has the exact same problem.

[Chicago Democrat]

10. wow, I'm suprised she doesn't have more fans here.

[amber dog democrat]

11. I like her. I just don't think she is viable for high office.

Senate is where she may do some good to be more responsive to the needs of the nation.

[Chicago Democrat]

14. Yes, I like her as NY Senator....

And thus forgive her Israel pandering and hawkishness which is understandable I suppose.

[Clark2008]

29. Honestly,

it's because she can't win.

Personally, I think she's tough as hell and I like her. But no way she reaches out into the red states we need to win.

That's it in a nutshell.

[EST]

40. I think she would make a wonderful choice, however-

The puke bunch has spent thirteen years indoctrinating all the feeble-minded that she's some sort of Satan's pariah and we need a surprise candidate. Someone strong as she is, or nearly so, and even more independent, but without the sheer bulk of negative baggage that has even the "centrist" thinking, "eek," whenever she is mentioned. I'm thinking of the black lady representative from california-I wouldn't be so vague, but my brain is pretty foggy, right now. I can't remember her name.

[GOPFighter]

12. We're split on this subject

My wife would like Hillary to be the next candidate. I'm afraid she would energize the extreme RW'ers which could help other extremist politicians get elected. However, I think the nomination is hers if she wants it.

[Mojambo]

15. She's a DLC wet dream candidate

The way the centrist democratic party is forming she is a likely pick.

I won't vote for her.

[Demeter]

16. She Said No, And I Believe Her

She has the temperament for the Senate, and Supreme Court after, and we do not deserve the mudslinging that she would endure, nor does she.

[Chicago Democrat]

31. Bingo! well said....

:)

[scarletwoman]

17. I'm done with voting for members of the Ruling Class.

I definitely would NOT vote for Hillary.

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[MrSlayer]

18. Not unless we want to get destroyed at the polls.

I'm sorry but two things work against her, one she is a woman and two her name is Hillary Clinton. As sad as it is to say a lot of the country simply won't vote for a woman, particularly if we are still at war which we will undoubtedly be. If you thought they smeared Kerry just wait until the RW radio sharks and corporate media get ahold of her, she'll be shredded. Putting Hillary on the ticket will ensure a landslide defeat of monumental proportions.

[Robeson]

22. Yes, it would be political suicide for the Democrats

[OneBlueSky]

19. two reasons for my "no" vote . . .

one, she's "Republican lite," DLC all the way . . . she's my senator, and I'm royally pissed that she voted for that budget bill last week . . .

and two, she's red meat for right wing crazies . . . her candidacy will guarantee the largest Republican turnout in history . . .

and, as a p.s. . . I just don't like her . . .

[JohnKleeb]

39. I understand your reasoning but she's not in the DLC

I check their memberslist often and shes not there.

[Cuban_Liberal]

20. If she gets the nomination, I'll vote for her...

Then I will watch as we are DESTROYED in a Reagan/Mondale-type Republican landslide.

[chyjo]

21. I don't dislike Hillary but I don't want her to run for president either

this New Yorker is not the biggest Clinton fan(either one)

[Laelth]

23. It's tragic, but ...

... I feel the first woman President of the US has got to be a Republican (in much the same way that Britain's first woman PM, Margaret Thatcher, was a Tory). Hillary would be slaughtered, I think. That aside, I'm through with the DLC's strategy. How much punishment are we going to take before we wise up and run on our honest, liberal values?



-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--spelling.

[Lefty48197]

25. She'd be a great candidate, but let's nominate a marshmallow instead

I've always liked marshmallows.

[Pirate Smile]

27. Remember how the DU poll with Mark Warner winning was in the WP,

somebody send this to the WP. The RW and talking heads keep yakking about Hillary but most Dem's are saying no thanks, please, stay in the Senate.

[Clark2008]

28. Next time some stupid pundit says the Dems

want Hillary, let's send them the link to this poll.

Hell, it's probably as scientifically valid as anything they put out there.


Wesley Clark 2008: Able to relate to 75 percent of red-state voters. (The other 25 percent are hopelessly brainwashed by "moral values.")

[Ima]

30. I just don't think she could get the votes.

[goclark]

34. Unless we clear up the fraud in this election

we could nominate the real Jesus and we will not win.

I think it is time we realized that their well oiled Crook Machine is ready to beat us for the next 20 years.

I love Hillary and I love Clark.

Both have more merit than the current unresident.

Can they beat Rove and his voter crooks - NO!

[Ima]

38. I'll second that!

We have to fix the voting system.

[Lenape85]

32. HELL NO, NO SENATORS UNLESS THEY VOTED AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION

[Chicago Democrat]

33. I agree the left has to win... the center has failed to appeal

I wish Jimmy Carter would run again

[nhc1978]

47. did the left lose, or did the center lose?

A lot of Democrats viewed Kerry as being on the "left." He is one of the more liberal Senators (putting aside Bush campaign propaganda.) But Kerry is definitely to the left of Bill Clinton, and probably to the left of Al Gore (at least his positions during the 2000 campaign.)

I honestly think that we need a red-state candidate, and that was a greater issue than where Kerry fell on the left/center spectrum.

[nhc1978]

48. Faux News Rumors: Running to Right on Immigration

This rumor was all over FAUX news a few days ago. Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity were salivating over it.

The basic idea was that Hillary is planning to run to the right on immigration, and against Bush's plan for illegal immigrant amnesty. She is hoping to exploit the issue to win voters disaffected with Bush's policies, particularly in Florida and Southwestern states. Also, polling shows that many Latino voters also support a "crackdown" on illegal immigrants.

I can honestly see her doing something like this. Remember "Triangulation"?

I think that Hillary realizes that she will need to run to the right to overcome her personal baggage (and to prove that she is "tough enough" as a female commander in chief.) And, that a man from a red state wouldn't have as high a hurdle to clear, and could run on a more progressive platform. But that is giving in to the hypocritical attitudes of the average voter.

[AgadorSparticus]

35. i was a big fan of hillary until a couple years ago. she seems to

have lost her liberal soul--pandering FAR too much to the right. yech. no thanks.

[ckramer]

36. I would like to say - don't make decision this early

Maybe the mood of the country would change by 2007 because of the "good deeds" of the Bush dark age; maybe the country would be desparately in need of Hillary. Who knows.

[goclark]

46. That is my wish,let's hope the mood

his ready to have any Democrat declared the winner.

For that we will have to change the Voting System.

Same Machines = Same Outcome (Reoublicans remain in charge)

[fortyfeetunder]

41. Hillary 's timing....

I'd prefer she first kicks some butt in the Senate. She is more powerful and more effective right now. Mid-second term (2012 - if she wins a second term) she goes in and takes care of business.

Though I wonder if she really wants to run when she's in her mid-60's? It also depends on Bill's health, considering what he's been through lately so there is another consideration.

[msgadget]

44. Somebody else, please. (eom)

[juajen]

45. I did not vote in your poll

You should have had another choice. I will not vote at all if there is not transparency and a paper trail. What's the use. I think if there is not a major change in the way we vote, that all dems should stay home. Let's see how they explain a 20% democratic turnout. Additionally, I think if the pugs keep preventing the dems from participating in this democracy(?) on the hill, that all dems should walk out of congress. Should open some eyes. I don't believe that more than about 20% pugs would want a one-party system. At least, we would be no worse off.

[mandyky]

49. No Hillary has too many negatives

1 - She's a woman, and I doubt a woman can get elected during this "war on terra".

2 - She is too polarizing - rightly or wrongly - so no crossover votes probably.

3 - She is a ONE term Senator, with no other governmental experience, except being the spouse of a Gov and Prez.

4 - She's too centrist for the Liberals, Greens, etc. She was a Goldwater Girl if I remember correctly. No crossovers there either, and likelyhood that liberals will vote Green or other 3rd party.

Honestly, her only real positive is name recognition and being a Clinton. I was so happy she moved to NY and became a Senator, as NY is my original home state. But she is not ready to be Prez and Commander in Chief in my opinion. We need to run a Governor in 08, and leave the Senators in the Senate or have them run for Govs of their states. Senators do not have a good track record at winning the Presidency, and Dems NEED to win it in 08.