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podnoi Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:02 AM
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Ukrainian elections...
This election crises is not all as the media is presenting: Excellent blog article illuminates.

Ukrainian elections... the long rant

Article Here

http://lunogled.blogspot.com/


A few scattered observations

i) For the record, both candidates suck.

ii) How many irregularities which OSCE uses to say that Ukraine's
elections are INVALID also apply for the November election in the US?
Read the report and make up your own mind.

iii) The idea that Yushenko is a fighter against corruption is
ludicrous. He was a TOP GUY in the ruling party while the most
corrupt deals were made, by some of his leading supporters

iv) There were huge
anti-Yushenko demonstrations on the Oriental side
of the Ukraine, totally ignored by the media. Funny how a
State-department
financed PR campaign can make or break political protests.

Ukraine is EXTREMELY divided. The oriental side is UNDENIABLY
pro-Yanokovitch and Russia (Russian is spoken by 99% of people
there as a matter of course. Half the reason they support
Yanukhovich is that he promised too make Russian an official
language)

The western side is UNDENIABLY
pro-Nationalist, pro-Yushenko and anti-Russia (ie, they try
to ban public libraries from having Russian books, Universities
from teaching in Russian, etc. All of this is ridiculous, since most
Ukrainians speak Russian better than Ukrainian).

The irregularities affect a very small number of "undecided" voters.

This is actually pretty scary, because it could really degenerate
into ethnic conflict (These are not really ethnicities, but neither
are half the "ethnicities" involved in ethnic conflicts, so who
cares)

v) most important, and TOTALLY overlooked by the US and Canadian
media, as far as I can tell:

The Ukrainian nationalist movement is in general FIERCELY Anti-semitic
and was, 60 years ago, primarily complicit in exterminating most of
Ukrainian Jewish community.
Youshenko's movement is using anti-semitic rhetoric all the way,
and some of it's most influential Ukrainian backers are outright
neo-nazis and Holocaust deniers
(Read the letter by the Oxford professor, as well as this, for examples).

It is simply "unbelievable" (well, it isn't! But it is outrageus) that
the same US
governament, congress and neo-con opinion-makers, who don't mind
seeing Antisemitism wherever it is convenient within the Middle East,
proceed to COMPLETELY IGNORE anti-semitism expressed pretty openly
by a main RECIPIENT OF THEIR AID AND SUPPORT!


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:27 AM
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1. Thank you for this. We tend to view things in our terms and we need
to learn more about the specifics before we comment.
I remember a few years ago (90's) a piece on 60 Minutes about the ugly Ukrainean nationalism - with it's unabatted antisemitism since Hitler's days. Year or so later, Ukrainean parade was selling a variety of T-shirts on the theme: "60 Minutes Lied"
It was then, I knew it was true and deep.
But for us, Ukraine still remains the symbol of the place where they give a damn about their voring rights. So, while your information is welcome and interesting, I'll keep my signature in that spirit




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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:27 AM
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2. Some more details
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:04 AM
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3. Hi podnoi!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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