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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:18 AM
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Is this why U.S. so interested in Ukraine elections?
from http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1360080,00.html

Full article here also:
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US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev

Ian Traynor
Friday November 26, 2004
The Guardian

With their websites and stickers, their pranks and slogans aimed at banishing widespread fear of a corrupt regime, the democracy guerrillas of the Ukrainian Pora youth movement have already notched up a famous victory - whatever the outcome of the dangerous stand-off in Kiev.

Ukraine, traditionally passive in its politics, has been mobilised by the young democracy activists and will never be the same again.
But while the gains of the orange-bedecked "chestnut revolution" are Ukraine's, the campaign is an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in western branding and mass marketing that, in four countries in four years, has been used to try to salvage rigged elections and topple unsavoury regimes.

Funded and organised by the US government, deploying US consultancies, pollsters, diplomats, the two big American parties and US non-government organisations, the campaign was first used in Europe in Belgrade in 2000 to beat Slobodan Milosevic at the ballot box.

Richard Miles, the US ambassador in Belgrade, played a key role. And by last year, as US ambassador in Tbilisi, he repeated the trick in Georgia, coaching Mikhail Saakashvili in how to bring down Eduard Shevardnadze.

Ten months after the success in Belgrade, the US ambassador in Minsk, Michael Kozak, a veteran of similar operations in central America, notably in Nicaragua, organised a near identical campaign to try to defeat the Belarus hardman, Alexander Lukashenko.

That one failed. "There will be no Kostunica in Belarus," the Belarus president declared, referring to the victory in Belgrade.
But experience gained in Serbia, Georgia and Belarus has been invaluable in plotting to beat the regime of Leonid Kuchma in Kiev.

The operation - engineering democracy through the ballot box and civil disobedience - is now so slick that the methods have matured into a template for winning other people's elections.

In the centre of Belgrade, there is a dingy office staffed by computer-literate youngsters who call themselves the Centre for Non-violent Resistance. If you want to know how to beat a regime that controls the mass media, the judges, the courts, the security apparatus and the voting stations, the young Belgrade activists are for hire.

They emerged from the anti-Milosevic student movement, Otpor, meaning resistance. The catchy, single-word branding is important. In Georgia last year, the parallel student movement was Khmara. In Belarus, it was Zubr. In Ukraine, it is Pora, meaning high time. Otpor also had a potent, simple slogan that appeared everywhere in Serbia in 2000 - the two words "gotov je", meaning "he's finished", a reference to Milosevic. A logo of a black-and-white clenched fist completed the masterful marketing.

In Ukraine, the equivalent is a ticking clock, also signalling that the Kuchma regime's days are numbered.

Stickers, spray paint and websites are the young activists' weapons. Irony and street comedy mocking the regime have been hugely successful in puncturing public fear and enraging the powerful.

Last year, before becoming president in Georgia, the US-educated Mr Saakashvili travelled from Tbilisi to Belgrade to be coached in the techniques of mass defiance. In Belarus, the US embassy organised the dispatch of young opposition leaders to the Baltic, where they met up with Serbs travelling from Belgrade. In Serbia's case, given the hostile environment in Belgrade, the Americans organised the overthrow from neighbouring Hungary - Budapest and Szeged.

In recent weeks, several Serbs travelled to the Ukraine. Indeed, one of the leaders from Belgrade, Aleksandar Maric, was turned away at the border.

The Democratic party's National Democratic Institute, the Republican party's International Republican Institute, the US state department and USAid are the main agencies involved in these grassroots campaigns as well as the Freedom House NGO and billionaire George Soros's open society institute.

US pollsters and professional consultants are hired to organise focus groups and use psephological data to plot strategy.

The usually fractious oppositions have to be united behind a single candidate if there is to be any chance of unseating the regime. That leader is selected on pragmatic and objective grounds, even if he or she is anti-American.

In Serbia, US pollsters Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates discovered that the assassinated pro-western opposition leader, Zoran Djindjic, was reviled at home and had no chance of beating Milosevic fairly in an election. He was persuaded to take a back seat to the anti-western Vojislav Kostunica, who is now Serbian prime minister.

In Belarus, US officials ordered opposition parties to unite behind the dour, elderly trade unionist, Vladimir Goncharik, because he appealed to much of the Lukashenko constituency.

Officially, the US government spent $41m (£21.7m) organising and funding the year-long operation to get rid of Milosevic from October 1999. In Ukraine, the figure is said to be around $14m.

Apart from the student movement and the united opposition, the other key element in the democracy template is what is known as the "parallel vote tabulation", a counter to the election-rigging tricks beloved of disreputable regimes.

There are professional outside election monitors from bodies such as the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe, but the Ukrainian poll, like its predecessors, also featured thousands of local election monitors trained and paid by western groups.

Freedom House and the Democratic party's NDI helped fund and organise the "largest civil regional election monitoring effort" in Ukraine, involving more than 1,000 trained observers. They also organised exit polls. On Sunday night those polls gave Mr Yushchenko an 11-point lead and set the agenda for much of what has followed.

The exit polls are seen as critical because they seize the initiative in the propaganda battle with the regime, invariably appearing first, receiving wide media coverage and putting the onus on the authorities to respond.

The final stage in the US template concerns how to react when the incumbent tries to steal a lost election.

In Belarus, President Lukashenko won, so the response was minimal. In Belgrade, Tbilisi, and now Kiev, where the authorities initially tried to cling to power, the advice was to stay cool but determined and to organise mass displays of civil disobedience, which must remain peaceful but risk provoking the regime into violent suppression.

If the events in Kiev vindicate the US in its strategies for helping other people win elections and take power from anti-democratic regimes, it is certain to try to repeat the exercise elsewhere in the post-Soviet world.

The places to watch are Moldova and the authoritarian countries of central Asia.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1360080,00.html
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VivaKerry Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:21 AM
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1. I think you might want to delete most of that article...
copyright rules. Can only post 4 paragraphs.

In answer to your question... the us instituted the above because it is interested. Check out a map. Ukraine sitting right between poland and russia (you remember poland, right? lol). Anyways... sure would be nice to get an oil pipeline to the black sea and the caspian.

We are totally encroaching on russia's borders, from all sides. It's all positioning for the last drop of oil and empire.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:23 AM
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2. Maybe this will help (oil):
It was during the run-up to the 2002 elections that Mr Yushchenko was first exposed to the intense public scrutiny. Government-influenced television and media revealed that, while serving as chairman of the National Bank of Ukraine, Mr Yushchenko had allegedly allocated $4,000 to his daughter's education in banking. The National Bank was also accused of funnelling tens of millions of dollars through Russian banks in the 1990s in order to artificially inflate Ukraine's hard currency reserves. To make matters worse, Mr Yushchenko was accused of complicity in the bankruptcy of the Ukrayinaa bank.

None of these accusations stuck, however, and Mr Yushchenko successfully brushed them aside as politically motivated. Portrayed as a Nazi on posters in Mr Yanukovych's home town of Donetsk, Mr Yushchenko has responded by pointing out that his father was in fact a Red Army prisoner of war at Auschwitz.

His wife Kateryna Chumachenko, with whom he has three children, has also been dragged into the fray. A US citizen of Ukrainian descent, she worked in the White House during the Reagan presidency, a fact that deeply irks Mr Yushchenko's political rivals. Although he is portrayed as the people's president, Mr Yushchenko has powerful wealthy friends. One close associate is Petro Poroshenko, the owner of car and confectionery factories and a shipbuilding yard. Other supporters include David Zhvania, a Georgian businessman, and Wolodymyr Martynenko, an oil and gas magnate who is one of Ukraine's 10 richest people.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=587545
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:23 AM
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3. So why don't they come to the USA and do this here. We need help!
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:25 AM
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4. Our democratic party is spending money
on training people how to resist the regime-in Ukraine?
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:37 AM
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5. Dammit, isn't it grand? The U.S.A. does not possess the
"intelligence" to deter a WTC, PA, and Pentagon hit on 9-11 as well as other Al Qaeda hits on foreign soil and against our military, cannot determine correct intelligence about WMD and Saddam, is completely useless to the extent that it now requires a systemic and pervasive re-structuring of America's foreign and domestic intelligence agencies . . . but by golly America was able to take down several foreign governments!

This GuardianUK article reads more like a dime store novel than reality. Uuuummmm, come on, kids, grab onto the conjecture and speculation and conspiracy theorist crapola!


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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:56 AM
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8. Rule the world
on $15 million a country.

This isn't the worst of the Guardian's USian omnipotence fantasy pieces, but it is pretty insulting to the people involved. It's not the admitted prerequisites of united opposition and dedicated students that do the job, but a US cookbook and a few million bucks. And I assume the local opposition was just as capable of studying Georgia and Serbia on their own as learning it from top-secret RNC classrooms. Sheesh.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:01 AM
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9. 15 million $ can go a long way in Ukraine.
:eyes:
There is no doubt Bush wants the other guy to win, since he is mumbling one about election FRAUD in Ukraine.
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:09 AM
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10. So what?
The other components are what are both politically and operationally significant, and they are home-grown.

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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:39 AM
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6. HELP IS ON THE WAY! !! I GOT YOUR BACK!!
snip--

The Democratic party's National Democratic Institute, the Republican party's International Republican Institute, the US state department and USAid are the main agencies involved in these grassroots campaigns as well as the Freedom House NGO and billionaire George Soros's open society institute.

snip-- The exit polls are seen as critical because they seize the initiative in the propaganda battle with the regime, invariably appearing first, receiving wide media coverage and putting the onus on the authorities to respond.

The final stage in the US template concerns how to react when the incumbent tries to steal a lost election.


HELP IS ON THE WAY!!!!! HOW FAST CAN YOU MOVE TO THE UKRAINE? :freak:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:41 AM
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7. Yep. I guess when Kerry was talking about
having every stone unturned to make sure every vote counted, he meant Ukraine.
:mad:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:43 AM
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11. it's like Claude Rains at the end of Casablanca
rouding up the usual suspects

plausible deniability

anyone with a thousandth of a human brain sees that it is virtually indistinguishable from our recent "elections."
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:56 AM
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12. "If you want to know how to beat a regime that controls the mass media...
... the judges, the courts, the security apparatus and the voting stations, the young Belgrade activists are for hire."

So....how much? How soon can they be here? Sounds like JUST the ticket.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:12 AM
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13. Angry Girl
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.

DU Moderator
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EdGy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:19 AM
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14. myths about serbia
The reason Milosevic was ousted had less to do with the student resistance than with the fact that the mafias and special operations units of the military defected to the side of the opposition.

Also, the US was NOT responsible for the successes of the Serbian opposition, this is another myth. The Serbian opposition relied on over a decade of grassroots activism that had nothing to do with US assistance.

This is yet another example of myth making.

I don't doubt that the US had its preferences in all of these cases, and that the US poured money into them.

But bottom line is, unless there is an already existing civic activism, and unless major power actors -- mafias, secret police, etc. -- defect to the opposition, change ain't going to happen.

So: What can WE learn from this?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:26 AM
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15. Other interesting details...
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 11:15 AM by robbedvoter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1394263
snip
iii) The idea that Yushenko is a fighter against corruption is
ludicrous. He was a TOP GUY in the ruling party while the most
corrupt deals were made, by some of his leading supporters
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:00 AM
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16. More revealing than the simplistic news-bites
we get from the media! Also it is doubly ironic and embarrassing that the Dems are SILENT, more than that the GOP is again blindly hypocritical. The silence of the Dems cuts both ways too, a deep ignorance or humiliation in promoting methods abroad that are light years from what they would do to save our own country.

And like Iraq, no one is saving democracy in the Ukraine. It is blunt interference in Russian affairs toward getting OUR oligarchs installed as
new dictators.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:16 AM
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18. Bingo!
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 11:17 AM by robbedvoter
Still keeping my sig line for a while - the irony is just richer



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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:08 AM
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17. The Republican Party is interested in stealing elections the world over.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:21 AM
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19. And the Dems think THAT is
normal US policy? Hamstrung intellects all.
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