Atman
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Mon Nov-29-04 09:29 AM
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Why Ukraine-style mass protest is unlikely to work here |
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This isn't a research piece, just my humble opinion based upon several of the stories I've read recently. We hear lots of calls for us to take to the streets to protest the fraud, just like those proud Ukranians are doing. But we overlook one very important factor; over there, the "defeated" opposition party leader did not step up to the podium right after the stolen election and say "Sssssssssorry, guess we lost. See ya 'round." He urged his supporters not to back down, not to accept the fraud, not to just go along with they knew to be obvious fraud. He urged them to fight, and he does to this day.
Here? Not so much.
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Mon Nov-29-04 09:34 AM
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There were people demonstrating about the UKRAINE election outside of the ranch in Crawford this weekend. Makes sense....
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Mon Nov-29-04 09:45 AM
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Mon Nov-29-04 10:19 AM
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3. The early exit polls in |
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the Ukraine were NOT tight. Yushchenko was leading by 11%. Later exit polls showed a tightening, but Yushchenko was still leading by 4%.
These exit polls give Yushchenko pretty firm ground to take a stand on and fight. Unfortunately, the exit polls here, although forecasting a Kerry win, did not show him winning by a large enough margin to provide firm footing for an "in the streets-shut it down" action.
Kerry would have been shredded to pieces within 48 hours had he attempted to do what Yushchenko is doing. The exit polls would have to have shown a much larger discrepancy from the actuals to provide enough plausibility for the media and ordinary voters to have pause for thought "hey wait a second here, this is extremely fishy, let's not declare a winner until we find out more about this."
That's why the repukes kept the pre-election polls tight (with Gallup leading the way) and then did the vote tabulating changes and voter depression schemes in small increments over widely dispersed precincts in various states. It is easy enough for us, who are really looking into this fraud, to make the charge, but it is going to be soooooo hard to actually prove.
Kerry would have looked like a fool outright charging fraud on 11/3 and only a few would have gone in the streets based on what was known then. Any opportunity to have an on going process to discover the myriad of ways we were defrauded would have been lost as Kerry was being killed by the media.
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Mon Nov-29-04 10:23 AM
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4. Kerry wouldn't have had to charge 'outright fraud' in order to... |
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...buy the VOTE COUNTERS some time. That's plain silly.
And it's telling that you and too many others seem to be AFRAID of what the Bush* media would say..as opposed to defending the truth.
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Mon Nov-29-04 10:35 AM
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5. Ah yes...the politics of victimization. It works wonders for Repubs. |
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