VioletLake
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Mon Nov-29-04 03:22 PM
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The Radical Republican Right has permanently altered the dynamic of the geopolitical game. By violating the game's only sacred rule, it set events into motion that cannot be contained. We're living through another "turning point" in our history. I'm afraid that our lives are permanently altered as well.
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Mon Nov-29-04 03:28 PM
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by stealing control of the most powerful force in the world and twisting it to their own, quite selfish and nasty, ends they have started something big.
The law of unintended consequences will have a lot of surprises in store for us all.
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RafterMan
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Mon Nov-29-04 03:34 PM
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2. What sacred rule is that? |
VioletLake
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Mon Nov-29-04 03:41 PM
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3. unprovoked aggression n/t |
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Mon Nov-29-04 03:42 PM
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VioletLake
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Mon Nov-29-04 03:47 PM
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This one is different and more substantial for many reasons.
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RafterMan
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Mon Nov-29-04 03:52 PM
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6. I agree that the consequences could be very serious |
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much more serious than Vietnam. But I don't think any bright line has been crossed -- the US just gravely misread the world's political climate this time around.
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VioletLake
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Mon Nov-29-04 04:00 PM
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7. I wouldn't attribute the misreading to the US. |
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It's the leadership, and they know exactly what they're doing.
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RafterMan
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Mon Nov-29-04 04:10 PM
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I find I always use "we" when referring to real Americans and "the US" or "the Americans" when referring to the Bush crew.
I wish I felt they knew what they were doing, but I agree with your original post about "events that cannot be contained". If worst comes to worst, the blowback won't be anything they bargained for. Unless you think he's trying to bring on the Rapture...
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VioletLake
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Mon Nov-29-04 04:14 PM
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9. Rapture? Heavens, no! ;) |
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They're not as stupid as the distractions that some of their followers thrive on.
They're making a play to control the earth, not heaven.
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VioletLake
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Mon Nov-29-04 08:26 PM
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before I let it sink.
:hi:
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Tue Nov-30-04 05:36 AM
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the one(s) with the most guns make the rules.
-Make7
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VioletLake
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Tue Nov-30-04 12:15 PM
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12. That's what the game looks like |
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without civilization, history, and rules.
It's the law of the jungle: our "new" reality.
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Make7
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Wed Dec-01-04 01:22 AM
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13. There is nothing new about it. |
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Has a grand commitment to civilization suddenly been abandoned? (Did I miss it?) _____
Did Mexico provoke the US? Did Vietnam provoke France? Did Ethiopia provoke Italy? Did Poland provoke Germany? Did Cambodia provoke the US? Did Afghanistan provoke the USSR? _____
How many millions died in World War I? How many millions died in World War II? How many millions died in Korea? How many millions died in Indochina? _____
The theme appears ominously constant to me.
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VioletLake
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Wed Dec-01-04 06:36 AM
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15. Of course there's nothing new about it. |
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"Has a grand commitment to civilization suddenly been abandoned? (Did I miss it?)"
Are you kidding?
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Wed Dec-01-04 03:28 AM
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14. I think Iraq is just more of the same old thing. |
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It's just that our naked aggression is more, well, NAKED.
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VioletLake
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Wed Dec-01-04 08:39 AM
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16. There are always people willing to abandon |
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Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 08:40 AM by VioletLake
our "grand commitment to civilization." Some are more willing - and able - than others. Like the people responsible for the events you listed.
There's no doubt that this "theme" runs through our history. Here's how it works:
1. People abandon the grand commitment to civilization. 2. Death and destruction follow. 3. Civilization refines the geopolitical game in order to prevent the theme from repeating itself.
Despite this theme, history trends toward laws and peaceful resolution to conflict. Laws are not negated by the fact that there are always people willing to break them.
What was the point of creating the UN if the only law we're willing to recognize is the law of the jungle?
I know, it's the UN's fault that it's irrelevant. :eyes:
Are laws a mirage designed to fool people like Make7 and Violet Lake?
Has the Bush gang permanently altered the dynamic of the geopolitical game? Absolutely.
Is it different this time in comparison with the other crimes that our government has committed in recent history? Absolutely.
More later...
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Wed Dec-01-04 08:42 AM
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17. What was the games "only sacred rule"? |
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