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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:53 PM
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Who do you like better: Kerry or Gore?
I hear all these people talking about Kerry running again. However, I don't see it. He wasn't that good of a candidate all in all and really was not anyone's first choice. He was a great war hero but has a small Senate record and ran a sub par campaign which resulted in losing by 3.5 million votes. Al Gore on the other hand, who I am partial to because he is a personal friend, had a distinguished Senate career, served as the best Vice President in US history, and then won the popular vote in spite of massive voter fraud in 2000.

We have already started a Gore 2008 movement on my site: http://algoresupportcenter.com/ however, we have supported Al for 3 years now. Nevertheless, I believe he would be our best candidate in 4 years. He has the experience, stature, and ability to lead and win unlike Kerry or any of the other current Democratic possibilites. I would just love to see a Gore-Clark ticket. They would make one hell of a ticket.

What is your opinion?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:54 PM
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1. Gore !
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:56 PM
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55. Gore!
He earned it by his staunch opposition to the war in Iraq and PATRIOT Act, and his resolute stand against Bush's domestic policies.

Best thing Gore did was to stop listening to idiots like Donna Brazile.

The fact the DLC hates Gore makes him even more atractive!
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:25 PM
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64. GORE
he's a fighter
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:56 PM
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2. I'd like a Senator Gore and a President Kerry
I still think Kerry was born to be President, and I don't even like him *that* much.

Gore is good. I'd like to have him be my senator in California (Tennessee is no longer suitable), or even our Governor, but I don't see him as President anymore.

That said, I hope neither of them run for President again. We need fresh blood and no more Senators. People are just too stuipd to understand complex voting records.

david
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:56 PM
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3. I really don't know
I was always more of a Kucinich type. I shy away from the DLC. If I were a politician, I wouldn't be in the DLC. The PDA or the DFA would seem more my home.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:58 PM
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8. Well then you'd love Al Gore since he abandoned the DLC and
they have been pissed at him every since.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:57 PM
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4. I'd rather see a Gore Dean ticket
But Gore is indeed my favorite of the two between he and Kerry.
But lets not knock Kerry too much. I really think he was victim of even worse election rigging than Gore was subjected to. Besides many people here feel very loyal to him.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:04 PM
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71. I agree
I think a Gore/Dean ticket would be very strong.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:57 PM
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5. Gore
Don't even have to think twice about that one.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:57 PM
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6. Yeah, but if so...
he'd better pick a better running mate this time. Clark would be terrific!
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:59 PM
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10. Your right, I think he has changed alot the past four years and would pick
someone like Clark, Richardson, Rendell, ect. He was just hamstrung about the Clinton scandals in 2000, however, that has settled now and he is tanned and ready.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:58 PM
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7. I love Kerry, but Gore would get my support if it came down to a Kerry vs.
Gore showdown.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:59 PM
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9. Can you please explain how Gore's Senate career was more distinguished
than Kerry's? It would help quite a bit if we understood exactly why you think Kerry had a small record, too.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:02 PM
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17. Gore was distinguished in many areas while in the Senate. Read below.
http://algoresupportcenter.com/accomplishments.html

On Arms Control and Foreign Policy

Pursued innovative thinking in arms control during the Cold War
that led to sharp reductions in weapons and a shift to single-
warhead missiles on both sides in a phased "build-down."

Co-sponsored key legislation to stop the proliferation of nuclear
missile technology to third world countries.


On Health Care

Co-authored National Organ Transplant Act, to create a national
network to match donors to recipients.

Steered passage of Cigarette Labeling Act to require tougher
warning labels on health effects of smoking.

Co-sponsored legislation to strengthen America's rural hospitals.

Sponsor of Health Fairs program to provide free medical
check-ups at sites across the country.


On the Environment

Chaired hearings that revealed illegal dumping of billions of
pounds of hazardous chemical waste; co-authored landmark

Superfund legislation in 1980 to clean up toxic waste sites.

Conducted early Congressional hearings on the greenhouse effect.

Author of key legislation to protect the stratospheric ozone layer, to address global warming and deforestation, and to protect Antarctica from harmful mining and minerals development.


On Technology

Fought for the federal funds that helped connect universities on a single computer network -- a crucial step in the development of today's Internet.

Wrote the high-performance Computing Act, which funded research that contributed to the development of the Internet.

Wrote early legislation to help develop quality educational computer software.


On Closing the Opportunity Gap

Wrote the Homeless Persons' Survival Act, to provide emergency relief, housing, medical care, and mental health services to the homeless.

Wrote the Employment Incentives Act of 1989, to provide tax breaks and child care credits to the working poor as an incentive to seek and maintain employment.


Fighting for consumers and taxpayers

Helped uncover an international uranium cartel involved in illegal price-fixing, resulting in billion-dollar recovery for taxpayers.

Led investigation into corruption and missing public funds at FEMA, leading to resignation of key officials within agency.
==========================================================
I am not saying that Kerry is a terrible Senator, however, his record does not show very much, even his top aides have admitted that.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:13 PM
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28. Then I'd say that your grasp of recent history is not quite reliable.
Kerry investigated and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history.

I guess his investigations into Iran-Contra and BCCI and illegal wars in Central America escaped your notice?

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:59 PM
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11. Like Edwards... Loved Gore
Wish Gore had ran...
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:01 PM
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12. Kerry - no doubt
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:01 PM
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13. like em both but it would be Kerry
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:02 PM
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14. Any particular reason you need to slap down Kerry to promote Gore?
Kerry got 4 million more votes than Gore, btw. That tells you just how much more massive the vote fraud was this time. 2000 was just a dress rehearsal for 2004.

Kerry doesn't have a small Senate record. Granted, his voting record or legislative records are fairly mundane. But his real claim to fame was his investigative efforts.

Neither your candidate nor mine ran a stellar campaign. Both need never use their previous staffs ever, ever again.

He may not have been my first choice this time round (that said, my support for Clark was a bit shallow -- political newbie, I was) but he will be my first choice come 2008. He was an unknown commodity this time. He won't be next time.

And I would say that Kerry ALSO has the experience, stature and ability to lead.

Sooo, come 2007-2008, we shall see who makes it out of the primaries. That will be the test. Until then, if you would kindly refrain from downsizing the other candidates to supersize yours, I'd surely appreciate it.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:05 PM
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19. Kerry got 4 milltion more votes than Gore and Bush got 7 million more
Record turnouts do lead to that. However, I did not bash Kerry. I simply gave my opinion and backed it up with facts. If you can provide info on Kerry's senate record, I will retract my comments.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:12 PM
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26. Kerry's senate record
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 08:14 PM by lwfern
http://ideamouth.com/respect.htm#Senate

If you aren't familiar with it, you should read up on it before bashing him.

Your comment about him not being anyone's first choice is disingenuous, in addition to being wildly inaccurate.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:26 PM
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41. Not just Kerry, but pretty much the whole field
"He has the experience, stature, and ability to lead and win unlike Kerry or any of the other current Democratic possibilites."

You're pretty much surrounded by folks who disagree and would put up any number of candidates that ran this year, plus Obama and Hillary, as evidence that Gore is the only one in possession of such qualities.

As for Kerry, others have cited BCCI and Iran/Contra, but I would add his experience as District Attorney, his knowledge of international crime, his environmentalist credentials (I'm trying to think -- was it the Sierra Club that gave him the 100% rating?), his credibility with minorities (once again, I believe the NAACP gave him high marks, but I may be wrong about which organization), his willingness to work with moderate Republicans on issues of merit like balancing the budget, and his courage.

I know that some will bring up his vote for IWR, but as the article that Robbedvoter linked brought up, he considered that a way to hold Hussein accountable, which doesn't neccessarily mean, unless you're George Bush, that you go to war. He was foolish to trust Bush. Why he took the man at face value I dunno. Was it beyond him that Bush would use 9/11 as a political tool? Was he blinded by his own desire to fight terrorism, an issue he also has real credibility on (read "A New War" for more on that).

I don't know. It seems naive in hindsight, but 2002 was a different time. I hate to think it was fear of being called unpatriotic, but we were all suffering from that around then. I was only just starting to wake up myself. I should hope Kerry would be more on the ball, but I'm still not counting it against him.

I did read one article that suggested his aides were pushing for a yes vote, fearing he wouldn't be electable without it. But ultimately I don't know if that's what did it for him, or if it had more to do with holding Hussein accountable. Still pondering that one.

Is there a good resource for reading up on your guy? I'd be willing to take a look at it, to be fair.
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gonefishing Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:02 PM
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15. Clinton
Actually I liked Gore better than Kerry. Gore is all class in my opinion. However, he doesn't resonate with the American public. Most Americans don't give a shit about politics (not DU'ers). Most people at the end of the day vote for the guy who they would most want to drink a beer with or go to a movie with. George Bush and Clinton are percieved as those type of guys. I would love to drink a beer with Gore however, I think most Americans would not.

IMHO
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:28 PM
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33. more people voted for Gore...so your theory doesn't work
apparently people did not vote for the guy they wanted to have a beer with. They voted for the smartest guy in the room and the one they trusted.

This year they voted for the guy they trust would bomb the shit out of the mid east if needed. Who knows why the change? I certainly don't.
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Cherie59 Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:02 PM
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16. I really liked Al Gore but loved John Kerry!
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:08 PM
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22. Gore even more than in 2000
I think Gore has grown tremendously since the 2000 selection and I liked him a lot then.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:57 PM
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57. Gore conceded after the shameful Bush v. Gore decision by SCOTUS
Kerry surrendered while the corpse was still warm!
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:03 PM
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18. If it were Gore vs. Kerry
I've got to say Kerry. What can I say, I'm a believer.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:07 PM
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21. Gore should have picked Kerry as his VP back in 2000
I live in TN, and it is still a joke that Gore didn't win here.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:53 PM
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35. How would that have helped?
I always hear that Kerry was on the short list, yet I don't see what he would add? :)
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:20 PM
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39. I think Kerry
may have helped Gore more with liberal voters. It's possible that so many people wouldn't have ended up voting for Nader...After all this was long before IWR, and other than that Kerry's record has been pretty liberal.

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disenfranchised Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:07 PM
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20. Gore talks about the environment
so I'd pick Gore. I think it is an issue that can play well with liberals as well as conservative outdoorsmen. It's also a topic that needs to be on the table.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:08 PM
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23. Agreed, the environment is a very important issue.
If you haven't read his book, check this out: http://www.defendersofgore.com/EITB/
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:22 PM
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40. Actually this is an issue
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 09:22 PM by fujiyama
where Kerry has a very good record, but I agree that he didn't talk about it enough....but I don't think Gore did either.
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Smirking_Chimp Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:10 PM
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24. Kerry is more interesting...
But I liked Gore too.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:11 PM
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25. no one understands america better than al gore. he should be president
if gore runs, he has my unequivocal support.

the series of speeches al gore gave in 2003-4 were some of the best and most heartfelt speeches i have ever heard. if he brings that level of intensity and directness to his campaign in 2008 he will beat anyone the gop offers up.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:12 PM
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27. That's a tough one
Al Gore has gotten so much better in the last 4 years. But I really like Kerry. Plus he's my senator, so I'm pretty familiar with his background and record. I'd truly love to see a Gore/Kerry ticket.
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sweetladybug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:17 PM
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32. I think a Gore/Kerry ticket would be great in 2008!
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:15 PM
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29. Gore. I watched him as VP and he did great work with Clinton
he would have carried the work he started and he could still be a great prez.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:16 PM
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30. I truly like Al Gore the best of the two
It devastaed me when Gore won but didn't get the presidency. With John Kerry, I'm sorry because we have four more years of the same old
sorry mess Bush has made for this country.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:16 PM
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31. Guy who fought theft & opposed war - Al Gore. Kerry kicked him out of the
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 08:17 PM by robbedvoter
race (had DNC do it) because it was "his turn"


Famous last words
He is impatient with Democratic oratory about the "stolen" election.
"Stop crying in your teacups, It isn't going to
change. Get over it."

John Kerry, campaign July2003
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/129019_joel02.html

However Kerry can rehabilitate himself - still time for leadership.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:13 PM
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36. Nice article, I bookmarked it.
I think by 2003, it was probably time to get over it and think about 2004. Now if he would have said that in 2000, that would have been a different kettle of fish.

Do you have a link to a story or resource that says that Kerry had the DLC tell Gore to go bye bye. I'd be interested in reading that also.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:49 PM
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43. You roll over once, they steal bigger next (see present day)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:35 PM
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50. So you don't have documentation for the DLC/Kerry/Gore thing?
Again, Kerry said that in 2003. The rolling over had been rolled. If anything was going to be done about 2004, I should hope it had been started by then. If not, crying about it wasn't going to get anything done.

Really, without the context of how the Dems were "crying into their teacups" ie, what exactly Kerry was railing against, I just don't see what's so damning about the statement.

Clinton's "get over it" hurt more, I do believe. How soon after the election did Clinton say that? A week? When all the votes hadn't even been counted yet?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:45 PM
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34. GORE....GORE...GORE... of the True Populist Tradition

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:16 PM
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37. Ask this Bradley supporter who he thinks is better...
I remember being a Bradley supporter in 2000 that sort of knew that Gore was going to get the nomination. I still have my Bradley button.

Although I like Gore on many fronts, I find Kerry is much deeper and more what I have found worth fighting for. Even now.
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:19 PM
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38. Kerry
I liked Gore back in 2000 (and I still do), but I still think Kerry is the greatest president we'll never have (unless a miracle happens before January).
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:29 PM
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42. Gore
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 09:31 PM by fujiyama
Inspite of a media that treated him like shit (though they treated Kerry that way too) and the Clinton "scandals", he won the popular vote by over half a million votes. Then he had the 25 electoral votes clearly stolen in FL.

That and he has been very outspoken in his criticism of Bush in the last several years. He took Bush on regarding the war and the PATRIOT Act.

I like Kerry a lot too. I think his record has been more consistantly liberal and I think he would have made an outstanding president as well.

But we saw Gore as VP. He did a great job and he won once.

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:52 PM
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44. Al Gore Inspires Me
Kerry is okay - his vote on Iraq and stupid remarks 2 years later were so disappointing.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:53 PM
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45. Gore
Gore REALLY won...there is no doubt.

I thought Gore did a great job as Veep....wasn't thrilled with his campaign in 2000, but after watching Kerry, it wasn't that bad either. The Dem Party screwed Al Gore big time, by not fighting for him in Florida.

I really thought Gore should have run in 2004, people knew him better than Kerry, & IMO he connects with people more than Kerry.

I supported Clark in 2004, but I like Al Gore, & wish he had gotten into the race this time around.
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:04 PM
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46. If my only choices are Loser # 1 or Loser # 2...
count me out for 2008!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:10 PM
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61. Okay
:eyes:
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:09 PM
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47. Neither, but Kerry has a slight edge for me on his views and Gore on
his actual record. (except the Tipper censorship of music episode and Gore's national ID card for gun owners)
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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:27 PM
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48. Kerry, by far!!!!!
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:31 PM
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49. Kerry
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:36 PM
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51. Gore. Surprisingly he turned out to be the real figher of the two. (nt)
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:39 PM
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52. Gore, by a long shot!! n/t
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lilfroggy Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:40 PM
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53. Definitely Gore n/t
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:54 PM
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54. Tough call for me!
I love both of them for our country, for similar reasons and yet differently!

Gore has grown amazingly since his exile in 2000 -- his speeches since 2002 have been nothing short of amazing -- whenever I feel down about the whole political mess the media has landed us in, I read/watch Gore's recent speeches and am hopeful again.

Kerry's life story is way too compelling -- his is really a movie story. Going Upriver and PBS's choice, together with the way Tom Oliphant and Doug Brinkley talk about him, have really convinced me he is an exceptional human being.

So I am now really torn! (I was a die-hard Gorista, then a Deaniac and looked up Kerry's record and life story very very reluctantly, because I did not want to have anything to do with somebody who voted for the IWR.)

In the end, I would come down on Gore's side because he really is the only prominent pol who gets it about the media, deeply and fundamentally -- none of the others, not even Dean (and Kerry not at all, seemingly :-() really understands the depth of the media depravity...

In my opinion, if the media is not shamed into holding up their end of the grand bargain, nothing else matters...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:57 PM
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56. Which movie did you like better? Beastmaster 1 or Beastmaster 2?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:42 PM
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58. Gore/Clark, Gore/Edwards... Neither would disappoint me. (nt)
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:03 PM
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59. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!
KERRY ALL THE WAY!
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shuffnew Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:12 PM
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62. DITTO DITTO DITTO...
Kerry is the only one I know of in the Democratic Party that has the background required to fight off the corrupt beasts!

Kerry-Edwards had the best chance and likely won if you resolved all
slander and voter/election fraud.

KERRY ALL THE WAY!!! DITTO!!!

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:04 PM
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60. Gore
:-)
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Sputnik Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:23 PM
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63. The Glory of Gore
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 03:25 PM by Sputnik
I admire John Kerry tremendously, but I still prefer Gore.

It may be a silly reason, but a lot of it has to do with Tipper and their children. They just seem like a really good family. (And, no, I'm not saying that John and Teresa don't also have a good family. I've just had more years to get attached to the Gores I think.)

Though it was one of the saddest nights of my life, Al Gore's 2000 concession speech was one of the best speeches I've ever heard. The part about "no matter how hard the loss, defeat might serve as well as victory to shape the soul and let the glory out" still puts a lump in my throat.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/121300-108.htm

If you never read The New Yorker's profile of him from September, here's a link. It's long and bittersweet but well worth the read:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040913fa_fact
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 08:08 PM
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84. Wow that New Yorker article
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 08:12 PM by fujiyama
was great. That song Al Gore is amusing. Here's a link to the song. Al Gore has a small part at the end where he says "Hey man you really have to get over that stuff. This is a great neighborhood".

http://www.cartoonbank.com/newyorker/slideshows/040913algore.html


One thing I've come to appreciate, especially after that SNL episode is Gore's sense of humor. He really seems to be a funny guy.
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Sputnik Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:00 PM
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91. I love the song too!
My daughter and I sing it a lot and can crack each other up by just humming it. I actually heard the song before I read the article and was glad to find out that Al and the Monkeybowl guy are friends.

My husband's family lives in Tennessee. My pop-in-law knows a girl at his church that interned for Gore when he was VP. She said that, in person, Al is extremely witty and his staff never could seem to figure out why his real personality doesn't come across on television. I've heard other people say this too, including Diane Sawyer.

Fujiyama, I'm glad you enjoyed the article. I've passed it on numerous times because I thorougly enjoyed it myself. It made me both sad and happy for Al. Since you read it, you know what I mean. :-( :-)
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:44 PM
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65. Gore without question.
I'd be wild for a Gore/Dean ticket. 16 years of pure bliss.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 04:19 PM
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66. Kerry is definitely more liberal. In every other respect their strengths
and weaknesses offset each others'.

Kerry is 10 times the campaigner, and much smarter than Gore. Gore's geographical origins are way more powerful. They both have bad biographies for Democrats (too much privilege). Tipper is arguably more helpful to a ticket than Theresa.

I guess I'd rather have Kerry's campaign smarts over Gore's geographical origins. But the bottom line is that there are probably other candidates how have way more plusses than minuses.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 04:57 PM
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69. If voting for war is a liberal thang with ya. I am trying to find another.
And as for campaigning - yeah, no earth tones there.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:06 PM
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72. Kennedy ran as a bigger hawk than Nixon, but when he won...
...and he was the ONLY person in his cabinet (filled with Democrats of all persuasions) who didn't want to attack Cuba during the missile crises.

If you think a Democrat who says they are tough on defense is going to be a big war hawk when they get in office, you need to rethink.

And if you think that there's going to be huge paradigm shift of 180 degrees where the average America voter is going to be comfortable voting for politicians they don't think will NOT operate on a hair trigger in defense of their safety, you're dreaming.

It's going to take way more than a two year presidential campaign and a 25 million dollar spending advantage for Democrats to convince a majority of voters that being anti-war is a winning proposition.

Believe me. I'm with you. I want Americans to be more peaceful. But I also want to win elections even when they aren't. And I also have faith that John Kerry would have been as peaceful as possible without jeopardizing the electability of Democrats who are all working towards a world that isn't operated to make the masters of war super rich.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:14 PM
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74. By the way, Clinton said that nobody wanted to hit Iraq more than Gore
and that Gore believed there was good cause when Clinton was president. So I'm not sure whether Gore was all that liberal by your measure. I still say Kerry is more liberal than Gore, and I think the telecoms bill was pretty good measure of that.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:18 PM
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77. About Gore
I like Kerry and Gore both a lot but Clinton actually vetted both of thsoe guys for VP, and Gore got picked because of his relative hawkishness, which he showed by voting for the Gulf War Resolution, only one of ten dem senators to do that, Gore was quite a hawk in congress in the 80's. I am not dissing him, he's a fine guy as is Kerry.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:27 PM
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79. So, by robbed's anti-war measure, Kerry probably is more liberal.
I stand by my original post.

I'm starting to wonder if I should take these knee-jerk responses to my posts personally.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:58 PM
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82. I would say so
Thats my opinion at least.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:53 PM
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80. Not really
Gore would not have voted for this war at this time. It was wrong to go to war in Iraq as even Kerry admits. But he voted for that, the Patriot ACT and NCLB, all legislation Gore would not have supported as he has said.

20 years ago you could make a case that Kerry is more liberal, not any longer.

As far as Kerry being smarter than Gore, there really is no way to make that case. Gore took two IQ tests in HS and scored 133 and 134. His SAT scores combined were 1355, Kerry's only about 1190. That means Kerry's IQ is probably about 122-123.

Just having a boston accent doesn't make someone smarter.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:10 PM
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83. My measure of smart was a reflection of their skills as a politician and
also the way they debated.

Kerry's campaign was ten times smarter than Gore's.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:06 PM
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73. I agree about Tipper
she comes across as very warm. Nothing wrong with Teresa but I do think she didn't really help Kerry from a strictly political standpoint.
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chimpy the poopthrower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 04:21 PM
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67. Gore fought. Kerry conceded.
If it turns out Kerry is fighting "behind the scenes," I'll have a better opinion of him. But I'll still like Gore more.
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 04:53 PM
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68. Kerry...i reluctantly voted for Gore
Aparently Gore was advised to try to be someone he was not. He looked like an asshole in the debates.

Wasn't really even that upset when he lost. Little did I know what the next 4 years was gonna be like!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:04 PM
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70. I like Al Gore
and John Kerry, unfortunately I don't think Kerry has the outward warmth that people want in a president. I would prefer Gore ran in '08, but if Kerry runs too--that is fine, they both have good claims.
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cyn2 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:15 PM
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75. Kerry n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:16 PM
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76. Gore!! I hope those people are wrong about Kerry running again
Al Gore not only deserved to be president, but I think he would've made an excellent president. Make that I think he would've made an excellent world leader.

I can't help buy always like Al Gore and respect him as much as anyone. With Kerry, I never felt a real bonding with him for whatever intangible reasons I'm not quite sure. Besides, Kerry's campaign absolutely sucked.

With Gore I feel secure.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:22 PM
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78. Kerry
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:54 PM
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81. Neither. n/t
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 08:08 PM
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85. Gore. eom
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:12 PM
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86. Both!
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:25 PM
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87. I like Gore better, but I don't think he should run again
DNC chair, maybe? Although I like Dean for that better.
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Kitka Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:27 PM
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88. Neither. Kucinich all the way ;)
:evilgrin:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:40 PM
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89. Well...
.... I have a hard time with second chances in this arena. You only get one chance to make a first impression, and both Gore and Kerry made theirs and it didn't fly.

That said, if I have to pick one of them, that's easy. Gore.

Had Gore not listened to certain idiots advising him and not pulled those ridiculous stunts in the debates, he would have won, period.

I don't think he would listen to those fools again.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:56 PM
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90. Gore!
He's been a real SAKAL these last few years. :toast:

Julie
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:37 PM
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92. kerry.......n/t
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:04 AM
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93. Gore
He rightfully should have been our candidate. I supported Howard Dean, but only after Gore was pushed out. I believe that he wanted to run, but the Democratic Leadership wouldn't back him.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:09 AM
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94. Hmmm.
It's a tough call. If the primary were held tomorrow I'd vote for Kerry, but some of the things Gore has said and done in the last couple years have impressed me too. I like them both, and I don't believe in "one shot only and you're done"--that just makes no sense to me. But there's no way to know what the picture's gonna look like in 3 years.

Tipper's a minus for me. Haven't forgot the PMRC. Ain't going to, either. But I'm sure she's perfectly nice, was just publicly stupid at great length 20 years ago, no biggie really in the long run.
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:13 AM
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95. Gore - hands down! He's got some backbone!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:15 AM
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96. Gore! I adore Gore. What a fabulous president he would have been.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 12:17 AM by Kahuna
:cry:
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:24 AM
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97. If Gore can beat Bredesen for Governor, he might win my primary vote..
I need a tangible reason for supporting a candidate in the Democratic primaries, not another sales pitch. Saving Tenncare would win my vote!
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:26 AM
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98. Al Gore
by far.


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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:13 AM
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99. John Kerry.
no disrespect to Gore....
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:44 AM
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100. Gore.
But I don't particularly want to run either of them in '08.

I'd rather concentrate just now on local democratic races. I'd like to see if we can regain some ground in Congress. We've got a country to defend, and work to do in that regard, right now.

Who we run in '08 will, imo, depend on the work we do during the next 4 years. I'd rather leave that door open, and focus on the here and now.

When the time to look at possible nominees arrives, I'll be looking at candidates who spent their time working to further progressive issues during this administration.
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