Congratulations, corporate media. You're goring of Howard Dean is...

[milkyway]

off to a fine start. The sheep in Iowa have followed, but it's no time to let up on Dean now. Better try to finish him off for good, and get back to politics as usual.

[Jack_Dawson]

1. Live by the Media, Die by the Media

It's a scary proposition

[Dookus]

2. sorry...

those people I saw on CSPAN tonight were not sheep.

They were committed Democrats who came out in the freezing weather to make their views heard.

You don't like the results, but I think it's crappy to blame the people of Iowa.

[ComerPerro]

4. Ok, Two things:

One: Thank you. Well said. I agree

and

Two: God damn you!!! ;-) I swore I would never post in GD2004. But I had to commend you on that comment.

Oh well. I will try to hold off for as long as I can.

[Dookus]

19. BWAHAHAHA....

now you've done it. You'll get hooked. You'll be here all the time now, arguing vehemently on issues you didn't even know you cared about a week ago.

[Democrats unite]

16. It's always been blame averybody but Dean...

Thats whats been wrong with his campaign!

[milkyway]

21. I know I'm a bit disgruntled, but...

Howard Dean has been campaigning for two years in Iowa. How can they change their minds so rapidly in the last week? Did he come out in favor of child molestation or something?

Yes, some of them were committed Dems making their views heard. But a good number of them showed up not knowing what their views were, even after a year of non-stop campaigning by the candidates and extraordinary media coverage. Why bother to show up at all?

I don't know which candidate you support, but I'm pretty sure it was the same candidate you supported last week, and will support next week.

[mike1963]

25. I see you are from NY, and may not understand folks in the 'heartland' all

that well. While I like Dr. Dean a lot, I see how his mannerisms appear somewhat offensive to the kinds of folks who populate the middle of the country. Many of them lack the political sophistication to see policy behind the messenger. He just seems to be a bit sneering to them. I don't agree with that perception, I'm just telling you it's there.

[ferg]

3. next up: the media goring of Kerry and Edwards (nt)

[NewHampster]

5. you got that right

Because Clark is the annointed one.

Here in NH Iowa winners usually lose but Clark the annointed is a wildcard. He played the Clinton gambit and skipped Iowa.

[hellhathnofury]

8. I'm salivating at the thought of it.

[kainah]

9. I agree with you, ferg, but....

...the interesting thing will be that the media can't focus on two people at the same time. Which means they can't go after both Kerry and Edwards, so who do they pick??? Now that their expected script isn't playing out, they'll be in a quandary for a bit.

[ferg]

28. good point

And also, with the quick schedule of primaries, it may be hard for the press to get the lies rolling in time for the next primary.

So the other candidates may skate through for a short bit.

Still, the media attack on the eventual Democratic candidate is going to make Gore's campaign look like a cakewalk.

[AP]

10. Kerry has been gored. Edwards has been ignored.

I'm sure Edwards will love the attention.

The best message WILL win this thing, despite media meddling as they tried to do in Iowa for the last year.

[blm]

23. Heh...gored and ignored.

And I'm sure it was deliberate. BushInc. KNEW who could beat them.

[aquart]

13. You betcha.

[bhunt70]

6. How do the Dean people say...

sour grapes.

[izzie]

7. The news goes after them all but,,,,,,

I think they were as easy on Bush as anyone I can recall and i never could understand it but for this. Big money and big media fit together.

[snyttri]

12. The GOP has the money and always has power. Dems don't have much

power when not in control of government.

[The Magistrate]

11. Please, Mr. Way

If you want support from the people, a good way to start is to refrain from refering to them as sheep. People brindle at such address, and sometimes even lash out in response....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[youngred]

14. PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE KIDDING

Dean has got the most favourable press of ANYONE else. Its been nothing but the GLORY that is HOWARD DEAN for months.

[curse10]

18. Thank you!

:-)

[TLM]

31. Are you kidding?

Dean farts and it makes the 6 o'clock news as dean's latest gaff.


Now Kerry gets to be in the barrel... should be fun to see how the reactions suddely change.

[youngred]

33. Hardly

Dean has gotten nothing but "He's the frontrunner, he has the most money" of late he has been getting more press for gaffes, but that's because he's been getting the most press to begin with. no one notices kucinich's gaffes. Dean has only himself to blame because he has set himself up as the number one and has been aided by the media since he began to catch fire.

[Mz Pip]

36. Dean's press has been more than

positive. He got the big endorcements, the support on the ground and the media has continually praised his organization. How can anyone say his coverage has been negative? He was expected to win this. That's what they all said, media and pundits and polls. Until today.

Yes, his gaffs have been pointed out, but it's not like he didn't make any.

MzPip
:dem:

[demdave]

15. Calling the Dem voters in Iowa sheep is a surefire way to win them over.

How dare they vote their opinions. <sarcasm>

Let's try not to alienate our base voters, those that were dedicated enough to come out in the cold and spend hours exercising their rights,when we will need all the help we can get come November.

[Sterling]

22. Sorry their bad not mine

People of Iowa seem very sheep like from where I sit.

[Sterling]

17. When the worm turns on whoever wins the nom

if it is not Dean I will only be here to say I told you so. It is more than I can take to see fellow dems take part in this "Al Gore invented the internet" type of media distortion.

I am starting to feel like a spectator at a train wreck. If this keeps up I will only be watching for the shock value.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

20. Give me a break

Howard Dean did this to himself. Not the media. The media has been giving Dean an all out pass by declaring him the winner for months now.

[Sterling]

24. You need to pay more attention.

You must have been out of the country for a while. He has been getting the "al gore invented the internet" treatment for the last month or so. His words have been twisted and the worst part is some dems played along. Are you one of those dems? Don't think it won't happen t your guy if he every is the frontrunner. Don't expect Dean people to feel sorry for you either.

[arewethereyet]

27. public speaking is job #1 for a polititian

if he got his words twisted its his own doing.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

35. I disagree.

Where did I once say I expected Dean people to feel sorry for me? The media has CLEARLY been boosting Dean as the front runner forever. They've been instilling that position into a ton of news watchers. I do not feel this is to be based entirely on the supposed "media slander" of Howard Dean because I feel he has been getting the best coverage out of any of the candidates. His actions and words speak for themselves, as far as I'm concerned. I listen to his words straight, his speeches straight and I make my own conclusions. The media has very little effect on how I judge the candidates. I mostly get my news online not from CNN or those type of sources.

[Renew Deal]

26. Bullshit. It's Dean's fault.

He is the one who could not control his mouth. He is the one who yelled at reporters. He is the one who yelled at someone at a rally. He is the one who ran the bullshit ads in IA. People see through the illusion that is Dean. It's his fault an no one elses.

[yellowdog]

29. I am a Dean supporter

and I hate it that my man lost tonight, but I didn't see a single damned sheep in that caucus hall tonight. The Kerry supporters, the Edwards supporters, and the Gephardt supporters all believed in their man as much as I believe in mine. If anything, some Dean supporters may have stayed home because they thought he had a lock.

[TLM]

30. Naaa it wasn't the media... it was Gephardt...

Gephardt took one for the DLC team and it paid off.

Expect DLC Gephardt to drop out and throw his support behind DLC Kerry.

However that won't be much help when Kerry moves into states that Clark bothers to show up in.

[David Zephyr]

32. And Milkyway, Let the Supporters of Dean's Opponents Beware...

for the very same corporate media that many have been cheering on for attacking Howard Dean will take their candidates apart as well as they do their corporate best to bolster George Bush's position.

The Democratic opponents of Howard Dean should take a lesson from the orchestrated attacks on Dean by the "news media".

[NashVegas]

34. Thanks And Another Thing

75% of the negative stories on Dean were pure bullshit that, once you read to the bottom of the page, you could see were pure bullshit.

I can't wait to see if that's going to be the same when they decide to go negative on the others.

[Patty]

37. crybabies

Dean is weak and thin-skinned. He doesn't have what it takes to earn his way to candidate. There's a reason why he was rejected for a residency, and I'm betting that it was because they knew he didn't have "it".

Say what you want about "corporate media", but what a lame excuse. Dean has a dictatorial style that journos don't like. They have to be indulged and if Dean can't handle it, he's in the wrong business.
The candidate who understands how the real world works is going to win. Dean isn't that man.

[youngred]

40. was that necessary?

I think not

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[Moderator]

39. locked

inflamatory. Let's try and maintain our civilty folks.

[mzmolly]

41. It's been a combination of things. Dean's goring in the media

and his campaigns inability to handle it properly. Sorry but we need to take some responsibility here gang. :shrug:

Off to New Hampshire!

:toast: