Why did women defect from the Democrats in 2004?

[WI_DEM]

Despite the problems with voting machines, I think Kerry may have won the electoral vote, but lost the popular vote. One of the most troubling statistics to come out of the election is from women voters, specifically white women voters, who swung heavily to Bush in 2004.

This is not really unexpected, since nearly all polls before the election showed that Kerry was not doing as well as Clinton or Gore did with female voters.

In 2000, Gore won the overall female vote by 54-43 percent--a solid 11-point margin. Among White women, Gore squeezed out a 49-48 percent victory.

In 2004, Kerry won the overall female vote by only 51-48 percent. Only slightly more than a quarter of what Gore won female voters. Among white women Bush won by a whooping 55-44 percent.

Among men Kerry did a bit better than Gore. In 2000 Gore lost men 53-42 percent, while this year Kerry raised that up to 44%.

Still since 1980, female voters have been much more Democratic than the nation creating a "gender gap." Why did Women voters turn towards Bush in 2004? Was it the "Security/Terrorism" issue or something else?

It's a shame too becuz if Kerry had kept even half the margin that Gore won among females along with his slight improvement among men, he would be president-elect today.

[Winamericaback]

1. I really wish I knew the answer to that..

My fiances mother voted for the very first time this year but it was for Bush. She had NO idea about the issues, has no idea what is going on and only voted that way because that is how her husband votes, her husband is a true fiscal conservative and agrees with the democrats on every other issue.
What bugs me is that these people have such a ME attitude. He thinks with a democrat in office he will pay more taxes.. he could really care less obviously by his voting patterns about humanity in general.

I haven't answered your question because I really don't have an answer unless en masse women came out and voted because their husbands told them who to vote for...

[Joy Anne]

14. fiscal conservative?

He's apparently a fiscal conservative regarding his own pocket only. No real fiscal conservative could vote for *.

[Winamericaback]

15. Well that was the implication by the addition of "true" Its sarcasm :)

[Joy Anne]

46. Sorry

Sometimes I need a big flag waved to get the point.

[okieinpain]

56. no you answered the question. most folks do not have a clue

about what's going on. I think that kerry really screwed up allowing the swift boat ads to go unanswered.

[KerryDownUnder]

57. Your answer addresses the question...at least in part

Single women voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. Married women were more likely to vote for Bush. I wouldn't prescribe that difference entirely to the fact men tend to go Republican, but I'm sure it is a contributing factor.

[crasmane]

2. This question has perplexed me seriously.

I'm a white woman, a middle-aged white woman.
Most of my peers are neoconservative Republicans. They buy into the confrontation with terrorism as a clash of cultures. They endorse war crime after war crime, they think 500 billion dollar deficits and an economy on a collision course with a cliff-bottom is just fine.
It amazes me to no end that the Hyde Amendment made it past these women, and they didn't even bat an eyelash.
The majority of us are so, so self-centered in our decision-making.
It makes me sick.

[janx]

3. Fear.

They were fed fear constantly, ever since 9/11. And I don't think Kerry could connect with them (or some of them) enough to counteract that.

[Sara Beverley]

48. There are more Stepford wives out there than you can imagine.

More women became independently wealthy under the Clinton administration and they are now voting their pocketbooks PLUS the evangelicals did a hell of a job convincing women that liberals were bad for their children, blaming all things wrong with unmanagemable children on the liberals instead of on bad parenting.

[blm]

4. The MEDIA kept claiming Bush was strong on terror and too many believe

the media.

Did the media ever tell these women that Bush refused to read the Hart-Rudman Report on Global Terror that was handed to him on Jan 30, 2001?

Did the media really ever explain that Bush didn't want an investigation into 9-11?

Did the media ever detail the efforts Clinton put into the terror issue and contrast it with Bush's refusal to continue those efforts?

Did the media ever discuss the efforts that John Kerry put into the issue of terror long before 9-11 or embrace the book he wrote in 1996 on the international financing of terror, The New War?

[illflem]

5. Theresa turned of many women I spoke with.

[Old and In the Way]

8. Perhaps you are on to something.

Perhaps the First Lady had more sway over women than we acknowledge?

I think most Duers would say that Theresa was influential in their decision to vote for Kerry....but I don't know how the vast majority of women evaluated Laura vs. Theresa in their decision to vote for one or the other.

It would make interesting research....

[lastliberalintexas]

9. I don't know if they *preferred* Laura Bush

or not, but I do know a few women who didn't like Mrs. Kerry. I was still able to convince them to vote Dem, but she was a little bit of a liability. And I don't think it's the "strong woman is threatening" idea, since these were all pretty strong women themselves. Mrs. Kerry apparently came across as condescending and insulting, as far as they were concerned.

[Leilani]

10. Not a DU politically correct answer,

but Laura Bush is very popular; Theresa rubbed people the wrong way.

Also, women LIKED Bush more than Kerry.

And, women thought Bush would keep them secure; Kerry never closed that deal.

[bullimiami]

12. i suppose one should never underestimate the ignorance or

gullibility of people.

That said. How do you know that women voted for Shrub in larger numbers than in 00?

[Leilani]

29. Read the opening post for stats

I've seen them several places.

[ElectroPrincess]

20. Laura Bush is an example of a first class stepford wife...

I bet when the lights go down, I just bet we see another side to that oh so elegant Laura. As she's huffing cigarettes, I wouldn't be surprised she's receiving briefings by Ma Bush (Barbara Sr) on who to DIS in future "showings."

Gosh, she reminds me of my Mother who could be having a full blown meltdown with my brothers and me, but if the phone rang, she answered it with such a sweet southern drawl ... oh butter couldn't melt in that dear woman's mouth. Yuck! IMO anyone too perfect, is just NOT right. <eg>

[arewenotdemo]

54. when Eleanor Clift referred to Theresa as an

"acquired taste", I thought that she was probably correct (as usual).

Yeah, we may never know what is behind that frozen smile on Laura, but it seems to have helped the Cheerleader win the day.

[spooky3]

67. it's a little like TV programming used to be--make sure you don't do

anything that would offend anyone--just make it bland.

[FrenchieCat]

25. Maybe voters

evaluated Theresa vs. John Kerry.

You have to remember that Theresa was painted as a strong woman who spoke her mind. She seemed almost "out of control" and she was referred to in that way by many in the media. The campaign had to try and keep her under wraps. Of course when one thinks of who should "control" a woman....many low IQ voters would conclude that it should be her man. Maybe the contrast of John Kerry parsing out his every word and seeming hesitant in defending himself against the Tidy Bowl Vets for the lying Bush made Kerry appear weak contrasted to Theresa's strong persona.

I understand that John Kerry is actually a strong confident man, and that's why he is able to deal with a strong intelligent woman....but the intellect of a large majority of voters may not have allowed that thought to compute.....and their gut instinct may have been even more elementary than was presumed when they measured the two candidates.

[SemperEadem]

31. interesting

Of course when one thinks of who should "control" a woman....many low IQ voters would conclude that it should be her man.

those same voters would also say they excluded or would exclude the vow of 'obey' from their wedding vows, so they aren't fit to speak on the subject of a man controlling his woman since they themselves won't walk in those shoes.

[FrenchieCat]

33. Well yea...we understand that the whole thing is pretty

hypocritical....but when did that stop Bush voters from how they rationalize anything?

Plus when you are dealing with those voters buying the famous "we are fighting them OVER THERE so that they don't hit us over HERE" BS...you know reality and what they think will never meet.

PS. However, I do think that many of these so called Security Moms want to think of themselves as pretty traditional....especially those that could make themselves hit the BBV keys for Bush. I think that many would leave the "obey" into the marriage vows....they just would ignore the words...is all.

[clarisse1956]

66. ignorance was a part of their choice

one of my friends said she didn't like teresa heinz-kerry because the heinz company outsources overseas..she said she even went to the store and looked at heinz products...the fact that heinz is a republican corporation that she has no say in did not deter my friend from her "analysis"

also my freeper brother told my mother who lives with him that if she didn't vote for ** that she would have to move out...she voted for kerry. but i know if wife voted like she was told to.

[Rambis]

52. "I'm not voting for Kerry and his French wife"

I would like all those people to know she is South Freakin African you stupid fucks! At least be an "informed" bigot for christ sakes! The most astounding thing is who gives a rats arse if she is French!!!

[arewenotdemo]

55. that's a good meme we should push with * voters

"At least be an informed bigot!"

:thumbsup:

[GRLMGC]

60. Wow

I have something similar. This was really idiotic and pretty disturbing too: My "friend" told me how he went to a coffee shop and the shopkeeper said "I'm not voting for Kerry, he's such a Jew. Not that I hate Jews, I have Jewish friends" (Yeah, when you say that, that means you're a fucking bigot, but I digress) So my "friend" told him "I'm pretty sure he's a Catholic" Then my "friend" tells me "though he converted to Judaism when he married that wife of his". I say "dude, not that it matters, but she's a Catholic" and then he proceeded to argue w/ me because he's convinced he's the smartest man in the world. Anyway, he underhandedly conceded defeat by saying, "well, she's crazy, that's what she is". First of all, I think he gets all of his info from Savage or Hannity, or some other source of disinformation. Secondly, he's a total dumbass. I know that doesn't have much to do w/ your post but it just reminded me of that.

[spooky3]

64. it almost makes you wonder if they are just looking for an excuse

not to like him (or her), but the real reasons aren't expressed.

[Radical Activist]

69. She did tell homemakers that they didn't have a "real" job

and refused to apologize for it. I can imagine a lot of people being pissed off at that. I thought it was insulting to a lot of full time mothers.

[democratreformed]

74. I seriously can't relate to this at all.

I thought Tersa was fabulous - a strong woman after my own heart. I loved her.

[GRLMGC]

76. So did I

but, its true that some people felt uncomfortable with her. Two people I know felt uncomfortable with her but weren't stupid enough to vote for Bush because of it. I think its pretty ridiculous to vote against a person because of his or her spouse.

[illflem]

6. dupe

[Leilani]

7. I was roundly criticised for raising this issue

before the election.

I was also told Edwards appeal to women would make up for Kerry's deficits, which I disagreed with.

[ooglymoogly]

11. anybody who voted to occupy a sovereign country and murder its inhabitants

men women and children on bogus information, to vote for this holocaust is beyond stupid. whether they are women men black white gay straight or whatever and i would not want any of them as a friend. they have serious blood on their hands and will live with this horror the rest of their lives.

[PlanetBev]

13. A lot of these women will get a nasty surprise

when Roe v. Wade is overturned. A lot of people simply cannont believe that would happen because they don't understand the mechanics of how government works. Like Carville said after the election, "this country is in for the civics lesson of it's life."

[zulchzulu]

16. Bush's relentless negative ads on Kerry and some level of cluelessness

You can bet that many women saw the Swift Boat ads and other negative ads that Bush kept flailing during prime time TV and you know that's the answer.

I remember seeing women at grassroots Kerry events that would say they are voting for Bush because Kerry "was a flip-flopper" or that he was not really an authentic war hero (Swift Boat ads). The only way they would have formed such opinions were from the ads or word-of-mouth from other clueless people.

There was definitely the element of fear brought into the mix with the Bush ads as well.

People are lazy when it comes to getting involved in politics or getting interested in issues. Just turn on the tube and soak it in.

[Joy Anne]

17. all Kerry talked about was war---

his Vietnam days, his band of brothers, his opinions on Bush's war. Late in the campaign, there seemed to be a push for him to say "kill" as often as possible. His speeches didn't appeal to me as a woman.

[ElectroPrincess]

22. Not true, he did address "the issues" on the road ALL THE TIME

it's not Kerry/Edwards fault that the MSM paid no attention.

[Bridget Burke]

30. How many of Kerry's speeches did you hear?

I don't mean soundbites featured on the evening news. I mean real speeches, from beginning to end.

[tsuki]

73. CSpan carried many of them. I must say that his later speeches after the

debates were much better. Health care, taxes on the rich, etc. The sound bites carried by the Networks were all negative.

[cally]

40. I agree...the convention focused on military

Kerry did little to appeal to women. I watched the convention in wonder hoping it wouldn't turn out like I suspected. I thought he lost most of Dems conventional gender gap with that focus. He was so busy trying to prove he was tough and strong that he lost women. Sad part is that Kerry has tremendous appeal to women.

I know his speeches changed, but the convention was a disaster.

[Joy Anne]

43. That's my point

His convention speech was like hanging out at a Legion post.

After the convention, I saw one long speech live (where I worked as a campaign volunteer) and several on C-SPAN. He spoke about other things, too, but nothing he said about health insurance, Social Security, and other matters I worry about was reassuring, let alone inspiring--just better than Bush's.

I worked very hard on the campaign and tried to get enthusiastic about Kerry, but it was ABB that kept me going.

[cally]

45. I ended up adoring Kerry

and he has been a hero of mine since college. I still think the emphasis at the convention was a mistake. I discussed it with my women friends and most felt I and they were out of touch because the militarism bothered us. Looking back, I now don't think so. Kerry needed to present a more balanced persona. He should have emphasized what he has done for women and he has done much more than most.

[RafterMan]

58. But what did Bush do

to appeal to women?

He was trying to prove he was tough and strong, too.

[Joy Anne]

59. I don't know

He sure doesn't appeal to me!

[rock]

18. If you're going to start with the assumption that they stole the votes

(and I do!), then any other discuss about who voted or for what is beside the point.

[DesEtoiles]

19. they didn't - see this www.securitymomsforkerry.com

www.securitymomsforkerry.com

[bobbieinok]

21. evidence for this??? pre-elec polls and exit polls??? we KNOW

these are wrong, right????

[spooky3]

23. it's a good question but unless we have good survey data

I'm afraid we'll get stereotyping or guessing rather than real answers.

[FrenchieCat]

24. It's the old....

the Daddy party vs. the Mommy party symdrome.
Women wanted protection this election round due to the fear tactics used by the Bushco regime since 9/11. Hell, even the Nascar Dads wanted protection. All Americans regardless of party agree on one fact....government's primary job is to protect its citizens from physical danger and harm via defense. With this Bernard Kerik as Homeland Security Chief...plan on the fear getting thick and hairy for the next four years.

That's why we Dems can think that a Southern or a swing state moderate governor will be our answer....but it won't, unless it's someone that will appeal as strong, decisive and macho too. That's why I have a problem with Warner, Edwards and Bayh. Their appeal, unfortunately, is Mommy-like. Heck even Hillary Clinton and Diane Feinstein appear stronger than those three. That's why the GOP are touting folks like Hagel, McCain and even Schwartzenneger--The tough guys. Even Guiliani has worked hard on building up his hero status (so sad but true) and has hinted at a run.

The "nurture and understand my pain" decade of the 1990s has been replaced with the "protect me whatever else you do....please" era.

Hope more of us see it the next time round and not think that we tried the macho thing with Kerry....cause although Kerry was a war hero over 35 years ago, his current persona just didn't match up with the Daddy demand. He too appeared Mommy-like. Didn't help that all his sport choices happened to require a change of outfit with each one. Voters wanted a "scrapper" who wouldn't take any shit. If the candidate wouldn't take "no shit" from the opposition....they surely wouldn't take shit from the enemy. Kerry's many retreats hinted that he might be soft in other areas as well. To have complied with the media's demand that the convention not "Bash" Bush was his greatest mistake. He appeared almost intimidated by the press' manipulative commands. Also didn't want to use negative ads...again, it seemed like a retreat. The topper, however, was Kerry's choice of Mr. Positivity Edwards as his VP....When Rove started the CW that Kerry was pessimistic everytime he criticized this administration. I remember the Newsweek cover of Kerry and Edwards with the caption....."the Sunshine Boys?"(yes...with the question mark) That gave me a big hint that this election wouldn't be a blow out for the Dems. Calling the Dem ticket "boys" just was not going to sell safety to the American people.

Dem's have to branch out and become a full service party. Not choose Mommy over Daddy or Daddy over Mommy. It's really that elementary.

[The Flaming Red Head]

26. Who says they defected?

A Security Mom is a married woman who makes her lovers wear a condom

Quit using the data unless it's to prove that Kerry won.

[FrenchieCat]

28. Well heck....

Somebody voted for Bush....that's for sure. Even with a stolen election....Bush still got waaaayyyyy more votes than he deserved if one was squarely looking at the facts of his failures.

Didn't help that the MSMwhores kept talking about how Kerry was losing the women vote via their manipulative constant poll chants!

[The Flaming Red Head]

42. They need to quit blaming it on Moms (what an old tired cliche)

All things, problems, psychosis, sexual dysfunctions, male pattern baldness, global warming (too much hair spray), drug use, and now Bush and it's always the mothers fault.

[sendero]

27. Whatever their stupid reason..

... I hope none of them or their daughters need an abortion 3 years from now :(

[Bridget Burke]

32. Please direct me to your data source....

I'd really like to look at the numbers for myself.

As a Texan, I've known about Bush for some time. I've always loathed him & considered him a dangerous, half-bright fratboy. Most of the women I know feel the same.

[fujiyama]

34. Security - People were frightened

That, gay marriage, the "flip flop" meme, and Teresa did rub some people the wrong way...though using Teresa may have been more an excuse for justifying a vote for Bush. I think many who voted for him had to justify it somehow.

Also Kerry's "Cheney's daughter is a lesbian" thing may have seemed "rude" to some people.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. fear (nt)

[genieroze]

36. I think Kerry won the electoral vote and the popular vote

The election was rigged. If any women voted for Bush then they are dumb bitches and deserve to be treated as the chattel that they obviously are or will be when the Theocrats get done controlling their bodies..

[robbedvoter]

37. They didn't. Neither women, nor young people. And we won too!

[SoCalDem]

38. Are we sure they DID??

When the media has the ability to tell us whatever they want us to believe, and we cannot truly trust the ecetion nuts and bolts, can we EVER be really sure of ANYTHING "they" tell us??

Polls can be made to say anything..

Look at it this way.. IF we had a totally recountable PAPER ballot statewide election in FL,OH,CO and a few other states..and IF they WERE recounted....I suspect that the totals would mirror the exit polls (exit polls should be trusted, because they are a snapshot ALL over the place in real time)..

The whole premise of "the mandate" is as bogus as the totals..

NONE of this stuff would be "in the news" had Kerry gotten a fair count..

We would be discussing Iraq..rejoining the world community....healthcare

instead, we are discussiing religion...gays.. bah!

[cdp]

39. Here's some exit poll info

This is from CNN exit polls (links below)...

1996 Vote By Gender
48% of voters were men - Clinton 43%, Dole 44%, Perot 10%
52% of voters were women - Clinton 52%, Dole 38%, Perot 7%

2004 Vote By Gender
46% of voters were men - Kerry 44%, Bush 55%
54% of voters were women - Kerry 51%, Bush 48%

Here are some other interesting stats...

In 2004, 28% of voters were married with children - Kerry 40%, Bush 59%. Maybe parents were more afraid of Osama, and Bush made them feel safer. I really thought that Kerry's Vietnam experience would help him, but those Swiftboat Vets really pissed on that parade.

In 1996, Dole won the white vote by 3%.

In the last three elections (I didn't look further back than that) the more money you make, the more likely you are to vote Republican. This statistic is very, very consistent. Take a look.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/elections/natl.exit.poll/index1.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

[Deep N RedLand]

41. Laura/Theresa Factor Did Play a Certain Part

While the "fear factor" playing to "security moms" was a consideration, some of the opinions here that the female vote was affected by the Laura/Theresa factor do seem to have merit. Alot was her outspokeness and I suspect there are still alot of traditionlists women who think the current or future first ladies should still be of the Jackie Kennedy era and remain as window dressing in the background. This is also why a number of conservative women and men hated Hillary so much I think.

In regard to her personality, I've had several female associates of my wife straight out claim they did not like Kerry because of his wife, calling her "kooky" or looking like a crazy woman. On the male side, some conservatives spewed venom to me that Kerry only had money due to his wife's success, while Bush "earned" his. Considering the reverse has been going on forever and is ok and normal with them just shows the Right's hypocrisy and outrage over "independent" women. All this is a shame, because I think Theresa's down-to-earthness, business success and to be honest, better looks made her more appealing then a pious phony, prime and proper "window dressing" Laura Bush who literly ot away with murder.

What surprised me most and shows the height of hypocrisy is the GOP's slogan of "W is for women" and how many female voters likely bought it. Sure, as long as those women agree to remain in their place, in the kicthen and barefoot and pregnant.

[Iris]

50. Wouldn't women like this tend to vote Republican anyway?

I mean really - "I'll take my chances of being forced to deliver a child with a half a brain or the child of a rapist. Hell, you can even take away my contraceptives, but I WILL NOT vote for ANY man who is married to THAT WOMAN!"

What a bunch of dumb bitches.

[Phentex]

63. I know a few people who might actually have said that!

They couldn't stand the thought of her being First Lady. I'm sure it bothered them more than the thought of Kerry as President. Sad but true.

[Iris]

70. Ok. I NEVER say this, but the words "dumb cunts" come to mind.

Some women really are petty and pathetic creatures.

[newyawker99]

51. Hi Deep N Redland!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[robbedvoter]

44. Why do we get thread after thread of "imperial reality"?

''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll
act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and
that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you,
all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
Bush aide to Ron Suskind

[proudbluestater]

47. Gender gap was "about average" -- another myth explodes!

The gender gap--the difference between the percentage of women and men who support a given candidate- was 7 percentage points this year, with 48 percent of female voters and 55 percent of male voters supporting Bush, according to most exit polls and nonpartisan voter-monitoring groups.

In 2000, the gap was 10 percentage points, with 43 percent of female voters and 53 percent of male voters coming out in favor of Bush, according to the Center for American Women and Politics, Eagleton Institute of Politics at Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey.

Since 1980, when women first began voting at higher rates than men and the gender gap won greater public attention, the average spread between the vote of women and men has been 7.7 percent, said according to Susan Carroll, a senior scholar at the Rutgers center.

"This year was actually pretty average," she told Women's eNews. "That said, Kerry did less well with women voters , with only 51 percent of the vote versus Gore's 54 percent. In that difference lies the reason that Kerry didn't win the popular vote and Gore did."

Carroll echoed the opinion of many political analysts and women's advocates when she suggested that Kerry began prioritizing women's issues too late in the game.

http://www.sacobserver.com/government/111504/kerry_womens_votes.shtml

I heartily agree with the last paragraph. Too little, too late. He has a great record on women's issues, but did not articulate it. In addition, I listened to a number of speeches and never ONCE heard him mention the Supreme Court and Roe v. Wade.

[spooky3]

65. very interesting--also, re: too little, too late, I wonder if that

was done deliberately because so many pundits and "experts" kept talking about the importance of winning over the conservative white males, who may not "like" all the talk about women or their rights. How ironic would THAT be--by doing that, you still didn't win the men, AND you lost a few of the women.

[sonicx]

72. He mentioned the Supreme Court a few times

not in the context on RvW, tho.

[beets]

49. To address logic, it would have to be considered reality.

Nothing personal. I believe none of it. We heard about 'security moms' and other piffle. The election results in my view were utter fraud, including false categories such as the above. We are getting little programming boxes placed over our heads and calling it reality.
So little coming from the US media is true we can't say for certain what is true and what is just spin. To keep my sanity I'll visit cspan or europe and ignore the rest, except of course for Keith Olbermann.

[scbluevoter]

53. Probably not the answer but. . .

I have found white women to be far more conservative in recent years when I hear them discussing political issues. I'm a former Asst. D.A. in SC and I have found professional white women to just be alot more conservative. Usually people try to moderate their views when I'm in their presence (i'm black-and I hate that) but I think that has truly changed, especially regarding abortion rights.

[qanda]

61. Welcome to DU scbluevoter

:hi: We recently set up a DU African-American Issues Group. There are some pretty good discussions going on over there and hopefully you can add your voice to the mix. It's not exclusively for blacks, but it is a way to keep certain issues from going down the DU memory hole before they have a chance to be discussed-- I guess you can tell that DU moves pretty fast.

Here's the link if you're interested: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=258

[Pachamama]

62. They didn't..it's another myth and propaganda being promoted thru MSM

Just like the Latino #'s were just revised - you'll see that the "real" data will prove Women didn't defect...

:kick:

[cry baby]

68. The women around here (Md. Tn.)

were shamed into voting for ****. They didn't want to be perceived as "non-Christian" or as someone who doesn't go to church. I believe they just turned into sheeple with no brains ready to be lead over the cliff.

[tsuki]

71. Soccer moms were afraid. Afraid Kerry would take away their SUV.

Morans.

[BareskinMatt]

75. My wife won't tell me how she voted and I'm not asking but...

She claimed his speaking to the people was too pompous and arrogant and he displayed signs of disbelief in his own words. She also met him in person at an art display in Boston and when he chiseled his way ahead of her in line that really set her off. I try not to confront her in these details.