What Was bu$h's Role in 9-11?

[Dinger]

I'm not sure, but I remember quite clearly that on 9-11, my first reaction was"bu$h knows something about this." I wasn't the only one who had this initial reaction.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Bush knew and not only did nothing

but stalled for over 1/2 hour waiting for the attacks to finish. So did Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Myers, Cheney, Rice, and Tenet.

If all of the planes had left on time and the attack had stayed on schedule the whole thing would have been over by 9:00 AM. Fortunately things don't always go the way you planned and thus the criminals got stuck sitting on their hands until the event played itself out.

[Dinger]

4. Makes Me Wonder If I Should Have Added This Choice:

bu$h was an active participant in the 9-11 attacks

[demnan]

5. If you had

I would have chosen that.

[canadianbeaver]

17. You got that right....should have been the next choice.. n/t

[BlueEyedSon]

2. Aug 6 2001 PDB: "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States"

[China_cat]

3. I believe

he not only knew it was going to happen but had a hand in the planning and implementation.

[BlueEyedSon]

6. Oh come on, W couldn't plan his way out of a paper bag.

It was Rove, Cheney and the PNAC neocons.

W just does what he's told.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. According to Molly Ivans

Bush and Rove are more like twins. Bush is basically an evil version of Tommy Smothers.

If you haven't noticed, since Nov. 3rd, Bush no longer has a Texas accent and he can speak in whole sentences without stuttering. Amazing what stealing an election can do for you.

[RC]

7. This administration knew.

Cheney was running the whole show that day.

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. The Idiot Son of an Asshole himself probably didn't know that much

That's why they sent him to the pig ranch for a month, and made sure he was out of the way when they planned the final details.

It was Cheney and Poppy Bush who were up late in the Oval Office on the night of September 10, 2001.

Junior probably knew there was "a plan", and what Andrew Card actually whispered in his ear in that classroom was that the "plan" was going as scheduled, but the moron was likely out of the loop as to what the plan was until then.

Which is probably why they had to shuffle his stupid ass all over the continent that day, so they could pound a cover story into his empty head.

[PATRICK]

10. Not knowing is a Bush family art

but don't believe it too much. They knew what they needed to know and then some.

They definitely looked like they were stalling or worse on 911. And we now know they knew enough to react faster than that.

[HamdenRice]

11. I used to be LIHOP, but am increasingly MIHOP nt

[NoSheep]

12. Okay. Just tell me what that means and I'll be okay.

:+

[HamdenRice]

14. LIHOP and MIHOP mean ...

The administration either ...

LIHOP -- let it happen on purpose ; or
MIHOP -- made it happen on purpose.

[NoSheep]

13. I'm afraid I too believe the administration planned it. A lot of

people look at me like i'm nuts if I say that. But I believe it. That's why there haven't been any more attacks. The first one worked.
And I believe the CIA killed Nick Berg. Call me crazy.:crazy:

[Minstrel Boy]

15. A better question is the role of President Cheney.

Bush himself is the empty suit that sells the War on Terra sizzle. Cheney, however, helped make it happen.

Remember how Cheney kept him hopping around the country, out of Washington, and was the source of the bogus "Air Force One is a target" rumour?

Remember how Bush couldn't testify before the 9/11 commission without Dick holding his hand?

I'm not convinced Bush knows even now what happened.

[leftofthedial]

16. MIHOP

the bushturd personally is not competent enough to be the leader of such an effort, but his collective gang did it.

[RafterMan]

18. I'm a nonHOP

Bin Laden issued a clear and rational declaration of war in 1996, escalated the conflict through the decade and won a great victory in 2001. He admitted it on the last tape. Why do people -- many of whom share his critique of US policies -- find it so unbelievable that someone other than Bush would attack us?

And I think "knows something about this" is sufficiently different from LIHOP as not to matter.

[HamdenRice]

21. Doesn't it pique your curiousity that ...

the family of the mass murder, bin Laden, have been a business associates of the Bush family for 30 years? I'm not saying I know what happened, but the relationships among the players is patently absurd.

Could you imagine what would have happened if a 9/11 attack had happened during Clinton's era, and it turned out the attack master mind's family had been in business with the Clinton family for 30 years and that within hours of the attack Clinton was arranging for all family members to be secretly flown out of the country?

The entire thing is absurd.

[RafterMan]

22. But that would be true of any rich Saudi

whatever his name was. My understanding is that there are just a few families that control the wealth of the country, therefore any US family that does business with the Saudis is bound to have a small Bacon number to any of the Saudi aristocrats.

I agree people would have flipped out if Clinton had been in charge with similar circumstances -- would that have made him guilty?

[HamdenRice]

28. Not really

First, there are thousands of rich Saudis -- every prince is entitled to an allowance and many are involved in business.

A low bacon number is one thing; a direct connection is another. Again, I'm not saying I know what happened, but there is a very strong circumstantial case of LIHOP.

Have you ever read about FBI counter-terrorism chief John O'Neil? He was on bin Laden's trail summer of 2001. There are even news reports that the CIA interviewed bin laden summer of 2001 in hospital in Yemen. The Bush adminstration kept frustrating O'Neil's attempts to get bin landen and O'Neil resigned, taking a job as chief of security at the WTC, where he died on 9/11.

[RafterMan]

29. There may be thousands

but they're all members of the same few families. And the direct connection is to the family, not the man.

Yes, I watched the Frontline show on O'Neil and he's played a role in a few books I've read. But I did not get the impression that deference to the Saudis was a new American policy. O'Neil himself complained about the same treatment in the Clinton years. Richard Clarke, I believe, tells a story of how a hit on bin Laden was cancelled for fear of hitting a minor Saudi royal. Also, I believe the policy of fast-tracking Saudi visas predated the Bush administration.

[ROakes1019]

19. anything to win

I didn't really believe the Bush cartel could be so evil as to plan the 911 attacks but now I'm starting to think they would do anything to retain power. Someone, or several someones including Arneback (sp), have said that the true Florida vote showed Gore had won and it came out on Sept. 12. Naturally, nobody wanted to overturn the presidency after the attack. Could it have been planned to preclude Americans from wanting the real president to kick Bush the Pretender out?

[StatGirl]

20. Here's something I wrote on September 12

This exchange occurred on a mailing list I belonged to (non-political), shortly after the attacks.

At 03:01 PM 9/12/01 -0700, XXX wrote:
"Now, this is just my speculation, and its going to probably be an unpopular opinion... I have a bad feeling that this was not the work of Bin Ladin or any Mid east terrorist group. I have a feeling that this was domestic. Why would I say this...When I watched the replay of the planes hitting the WTC I was struck by something. It seemed so cinematic. I remembered thinking "god this is like something from Independance Day" (I'm a big science fiction fan) Its so big and so dramatic and so ***Hollywood*** very showy..."

My response:

"Whoa, that's paranoid!

"So, as long as we're being paranoid, let me join the party. In the last couple of weeks, Bush has been saying he wouldn't touch the Social Security surplus except for recession or war. He later (I think) tacked on "national emergency." I remember thinking at the time, what kind of national emergency would call for that much money to be needed?

"So now we have our national emergency, and our war, and possibly our recession. So now I'm thinking, what did Bush know and when did he know it?"

--------

Needless to say, I was roundly roasted for thinking Bush had anything to do with it.

[Tharks]

23. But

That would imply that Bush's only goal was to use the social security surplus - and not to reallocate funds towards his projects. Because the war costed far more than was sitting around in the SSS.

It doesn't make sense to launch a war for oil or money when it costs so damn much to do so.

This becomes especially problematic when we presume that he was actively involved in the planning of it all - it doesn't make logical sense - what is the motive?

[StatGirl]

26. My point was that Bush was clearly doing some foreshadowing

Or at least, that was my initial reaction when it happened . . . . "Oh, *this* is what he was talking about!"

And it *does* make sense to waste the surplus on his oil war if he gets the profit and we poor taxpayers pay the expenses. That's exactly what he did in Texas to make money on his baseball deal, after all.

[Tharks]

30. What do you mean?

You think Bush would personally pocket trillions in oil money - how the hell would he manage that? And why would he even want to - hes already rich. And as soon as hes done being president they'll pay him millions of dollars a year until his death, just like Clinton.

I'm sorry but I just don't buy into conspiracy theories - there are just too many holes, inconsistencies and illogical motives.

Besides, isn't he far too dumb to pull off something that complex?

[GarySeven]

24. To ESCAPE the plane headed for the White House ...

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the REAL reason the Chimp wasn't at the White House that day was BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE HIT by a plane???

Look, the ONLY reason why that plane didn't make it to Washington was because the passengers took action and brought it down. The plane was SUPPOSED to hit the White House; the only reason it didn't was because patriotic Americans - whom the conspirators never allowed for -- interfered.

Bush knew the planes were going to attack and that is why he was away.

[madison2000]

25. Yes, but Cheney and Condi were there

or so we were told.

[RafterMan]

27. If Bush had done it

he would have hit the Capitol, taking out the Congress and allowing him to rule by executive order.

I thought the "supposed to hit the White House" thing was just aggressive speculation by those who wanted to excuse Bush for going underground that day.

[freelight]

31. It wasn't Dubya...

It was the people who run the country. I'm certain that Bin Laden did intend to attack the US, but the PNAC helped him out through a covert op (or a series of covert ops), very likely without Bin Laden even knowing that corrupt US operatives was helping. Bin Laden's own initial surprise told half the story.
W is an idiot, though, and an operation like that could not have risked an idiot (especially one in such a high-profile position) being involved. These people are very careful, and they're anything but stupid.

[Bridget Burke]

32. He was told to sit there & say nothing.

And that's what he did.