A Blueprint for Moore Bashing (or .........Could the DLC get any worse?)

[Cheswick2.0]

We've got to repudiate, you know, the most strident and insulting anti-American voices out there sometimes on our party's left ... We can't have our party identified by Michael Moore and Hollywood as our cultural values. – Al From, CEO, Democratic Leadership Council

You know, let's let Hollywood and the Cannes Film Festival fawn all over Michael Moore. We ought to make it pretty clear that he sure doesn't speak for us when it comes to standing up for our country. – Will Marshall, president of the Progressive Policy Institute, the think tank of the DLC

The first thing I thought when reading these passages – both taken from a "soul-searching" roundtable held by the Democratic Leadership Council – was this: Who the hell is Will Marshall?

I couldn't remember seeing his name at the top of anybody's ballot. I didn't remember which, if any, elections he had ever won. I was a little mystified, in fact, by the nature of his popular support – who he meant, exactly, when he used the word "we" to talk about whom Michael Moore does and does not speak for.

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You need to read the rest of this to see what these people stand for and what they believe in. They are not even conservative, they are rightwing corporate democrats. They use their huge bucks from coporations to force democratic candidates to the right. They are destroying the party.

During this election primary Kerry made several statements that were designed to buy their blessing. He agree to PPI's PNAC light philosopy and he stated he would not be "redistributing wealth" (a Conservative code phrase)and might hire someone like James (election fraud in florida)Baker for his cabinet. That is how powerful they are. He risked thousands of liberal votes with that crap, but he needed their approval and funding.

When people jump in here and say that the DLC is not that powerful...don't believe them. Those people don't want you to know enough to motivate you to take the party back and make it win again.
When they tell you that Gore and Dean were/are both DLC, understand that both Gore and Dean have turned their backs on this organization and for good reason.
Remember that they added Obama's name to their list and he had to ask them to remove it and stated publically that he did not agree with their aggenda.

http://www.alternet.org/story/20650/

[LSparkle]

1. I'm ready to go Green

if the Dems go DLC. They should read Joe Trippi's recent WSJ article -- it reminds everyone that concentrating on the base was KKKARL'S FUCKING PLAYBACK for the this past election! We need to go LEFT, not right!

[KoKo]

30. I'm looking at both "Green Party" and "Progressive Wing" of Democratic.

I haven't made up my mind...but I have time.

[Justitia]

2. Will Marshall = PNAC signatory = 'nuff said -eom

[KurtNYC]

3. Michael Moore's values?

Democracy, dissent when appropriate, honesty, bravery, doing what's right -- that is what Will Marshall doesn't want to be associated with?!

[Cheswick2.0]

7. Why don't they just change parties?

Because they are cleaning up taking corporate money to work as corporate trojan horses with in the democratic party.

[lastliberalintexas]

22. Yep, they can do more damage from within

Damage to Dems, that is.

[Poor Richard Lex]

35. Precisely - they got the democrats addicted to Corporate Money

and now they are little better than crack whores dropping to their knees to serve their corporate masters. Nader had it right back in 2000.

Howard Dean is the future of the party, if the party has a future. To continue to suckle at the corporate teat is the kiss of death for the democrat leadership.

[Cheswick2.0]

39. agree and disagree

I agree about the DLC, I disagree with Ralph Nader. Gore might have been a member of the DLC but when the election of 2000 was in progress Gore was breaking away from them. His convention speech was very populist and he would have made a great president.

[StClone]

13. Forced to believe

I hate Limbaugh. He is more polarizing than Moore. Yet his drugs, divorces and hypocrisy haven't stopped his fetid voice. Why should Moore be dumped just as because Winger Thinkers want society to conform? Screw them all. We will have no respectable heroes if we are force fed the new world "majority" thought.

[tsuki]

20. Will Marshall does not want to be associated with the Democrats. He's a

Republicrat. Sounds like I am back with Ralph.

[Cheswick2.0]

23. Ralph does nothing to help move politics left

The point is to take power away from the right not give it to them. Why not stay and help those of us who want to pull it back to the left and make it responsive to the grassroots?

I am glad that Ralph is doing what he can in NH. I have respect for that. But voting for him every four years is not going to take the power from the DLC. They have to be stopped from with in the democratic party.

[tsuki]

28. I cannot vote for a Democratic Party candidate that looks more Dixiecrat

to me than not. And I won't compromise again. Either the party is the Democratic Party, or the Corporations can have them both.

[KoKo]

31. Where is your thinking on this Cheswick? Are you waiting for Fraud in

Recount...or exploring while you wait, to see whose really standing up for us. OMG..this is the opportunity for us Lefties to see how the deck shuffles. We couldn't ask for a better example to see the split from DNC/DLC than we've had with this last "Selection."

I'm assessing....

[Cheswick2.0]

38. I am interested in what happens with the fraud

I think we have to change the system and get rid of electronic machines or we will never have another honest election.
But I am not so much waiting. I am a member of DFA and already working on the next set of elections encouraging local progressives to run for office, school board and that type of thing.
I believe the democratic party has become too top down no matter what happens with the recounts, we have to change that.

Join us...we're a dedicated bunch of reformers trying to make the democratic party a populist party again.

[KoKo]

53. I'm on the DFA Mailing List...but I'm more radical. I worked on this

election (within the Party) I will never do it for the DNC/DLC State Insider/Good Ole Boys AGAIN....That's why I'm looking at the Progressives and my wing here is the "Green Dogs." I might look at Green Party. What I saw here annoyed me too much with "established top down party." I love Dean..and it was the Dean/Kuchinich groups who made all the grassroots efforts here in NC...! What gains we made here were totally due to the activists...not the "establishement."

I just don't feel so comfortable in the Dem Party anymore because of my experience...

[okieinpain]

4. well who the hell said that "al from" speaks for dems.

[Cheswick2.0]

5. He doesn't speak for me

From can kiss my liberal feminist ass.

[Tempest]

6. Taibbi does a great job of showing Moore's values are closer to ours

Than the DLCs and this moron Marshall, who speaks for no one I know.


Time for a third party, regardless of the costs.

The Democrat Party need to be shown we Liberals can't be taken for granted.

[Cheswick2.0]

8. The democraTIC party needs to be reformed

We aren't going to give anymore power to the republicans by splitting the left further.

[donhakman]

14. Moore is no Dennis Miller

Like the fate of Dan Rather, Michael will be punished.

He may eventually face arrest for "virtually" attacking the President

[Habibi]

9. I dunno

the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of taking over the Democratic party (or, rather, taking it back from the DLCers), rather than going to a 3rd party alternative. The infrastructure's already in place. But it would require some serious patience, starting small and local. That's what the fundies did, after all, and look at where those motherfuckers are today!

But I hear ya. I've been thinking of going Green lately, too.

[Cheswick2.0]

11. I agree about the structure

and the constituency, not to mention access to all state ballots.

[tsuki]

21. This is the first election since Carter that I voted a Democrat. Usually,

I vote 3rd party. So if you want to find out why so many women are deserting the dems, you need to understand... Demoplican or Republicrat, we can't tell you apart.

[Joy Anne]

10. from my standpoint

We can't have our party identified by Al From. And I'm pretty sure I'm the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party, whereas he's the Democratic wing of the Republican Party.

[InvisibleBallots]

25. Al From and the DLC keep losing elections

Aside from Bill Clinton himself, with his charisma and all, the DLC has a long record of losing. Republican cheating isn't an excuse either, the DLC has never done anything to stop it.

The more our party is identified with the likes of From and the DLC "centrist economic message" the longer we'll be a minority party.

[fujiyama]

26. Well said

The DLC takes a lot of credit for Clinton wins, but thhat was because it was Clinton with all his charisma, and some help with Perot (the first time atleast).

The DLC is worthless. I'm not sure if DFA is the perfect alternative or if Dean can set the party back on track - but it's worth TRYING atleast...because the way we're going, well I think we can use the phrase - that the party is lost in the wilderness.

[Joy Anne]

42. I voted for Perot

He seemed further left than Clinton to me--at least he didn't make a spectacle of himself dumping on Sista Solja and purposefully misunderstanding her.

[Poor Richard Lex]

36. Why are they still in charge with their record of failure?

They are planted in the party to destroy us. And they are doing a great job.

[robbedvoter]

12. DLC? 1/3 of DU sounds like that these days! 2nd amendment!

To hell with choice! Dump the gays!
It's been wallowfest here.

[Downtown Hound]

15. Well DLC, if you're looking to lose more voters

you're well on your way to losing me. I'm fully prepared to go Green.

[w4rma]

16. Have you considered that the DLC is a big buisness trojan horse and works

to force wedge issues into the Democrat Party and is actively trying to destroy it from within and are more than happy when Republicans win?

Have you considered that voting Green is what they want you to do in order to push out as much of their vocal competition as they can?

Have you noticed that the Green Party tends to get ALOT of attention in the coporate media? Have you thought about why they get so much attention while the Libertarian Party is totally ignored by big media?

[Downtown Hound]

17. Heh-heh, don't worry

In crucial elections, I will always vote against the right wing. Always have, always will. And I actually do think that a better strategy for us would be to take over the Democratic Party instead of building our own party. But I wouldn't hesitate to change my registration or vote Green at the local level, if nothing else just to make the DNC nervous. But when it comes down to the president or the congress, I will always vote to get the right wing out. But the DNC needs to know who its base is, and we're it. If you have any suggestions as to how we can kick them in the ass without cutting our own throats, I'm more than willing to listen.

[m berst]

18. hoping that we can discuss this more

As the Republican party has become more reactionary, and wooed away blue collar voters from the Democratic party with a few manufactured hot button issues, could it not be that many intelligent people who could not abide the new Republican party with its idiotic ideas, but who are fundamentally Republicans, gravitated to the Democratic party?

When you get past the "left" positions on those handful of so-called "morality" issues, many Democrats are very conservative and are what we once called Rockefeller Democrats. It surprises me to see controversy among Democrats on issues such as "reverse racism," flat tax proposals, "free market" ideas, term limits, welfare reform, corporate solutions to social problems, and a host of other issues that were at one time not controversial among Democrats. They are traditionally Republican issues and ideas, yet they are angrily debated among Dems today.

It also surprises me to see the number of Democrats who were once seen as middle-of-the-road in the party now being called "far left" and "extremist" by other Democrats when their political philosophy has not changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

As I have said on other threads, I think that there are millions of people trapped in the wrong party because of the extremist agenda of the people who have seized control of the Republican party. Many workers and poor people are voting against their own interests by supporting the Republicans, and are very progressive when you get past the handful of fear-mongering issues with which the Republicans attract their support. In the Democratic party there are many who are strongly resistant to ideas that were once the core ideals of the Democratic party.

The Democratic party can't be the party of the have-nots when it is dominated by the upper class and those who aspire to or share the values of the upper class. There is a growing dissonance that underlies all of the disputes and divisions in the party. Those who are relatively comfortable and successful - as a class, there are of course noteworthy individual exceptions - cannot possibly represent, or even fully understand, the needs of downtrodden and marginalized.

This doesn't make the centrist Dems and the DLC wrong or bad, nor does it mean that they are the same as or even similar to the people who are now running the Republican party. It is to say that they are a bad fit in the Democratic party.

I used this analogy on another thread - imagine that the two parties were sports teams. The Democrats traded their blue collar voters to the Republicans in exchange for the Republicans' moderates and intellectuals. This has created a lot of confusion and ill will.

[Cheswick2.0]

24. I think the repubs moved right and kept their moderates

I think what we are seeing is democrats (along with some trojan horse think tank republicans dressed as democrats) who have decided to cash in on the corporate money fest. I do think that makes them bad. There is a difference between being a moderate on fiscal issues, favoring balanced budgets and responsiblity. But that is a whole different story than being a corporate sell out to the highest bidder.
You can be a moderate and a populist. You can be a liberal and a populist and that is okay too.
But the DLC leadership is very powerful and they stand for NOTHING the democratic party stands for. They stand for moving the party right and that is it.

[m berst]

41. agree about the DLC

I don't see any moderates over there in the Republican party to speak of.

The corporate influence and the Dominionist influence really screw things up, don't they?

I agree with what you say about the DNC leadership cashing in on the corporate money fest. I do think, however, that many Democrats - good, decent, intelligent, principled people - are much closer to the moderate Republicans of 40 years ago than they are to being Democrats. People take offense when I say that, but they shouldn't. There was a time when not all Republicans were bad - they were wrong IMHO :) but not evil. There was also a time when one's religion wasn't politicized.

I would like to see corporate money out of politics altogether, as well as the church. Then I could imagine a new political alignment of the moderate-conservatives and the populist-progressives. Most of the white collar people belong in the moderate-conservative party, and most of the working class belong in a populist-progressive party IMHO. That political alignment would better reflect the different interests of people and more accurately reflect the actual divisions.

The Republicans have become a reactionary party slouching toward fascism, and that has no place in American politics.

Too imagine this realignment I am suggesting requires putting aside the bitter us versus them Republican-Democratic death dance that we are all trapped in now.

[sonicx]

19. repudiating MM would have gotten him more attention

see thug convention...

If MM is really a problem in their eyes, just create a message that's more powerful than his.

[Cha]

27. Not only do they "repudiate"

Michael Moore but "the Hollywood crowd", also..and those are two of my favorites!

I will not stand for anyone dissing Michael Moore OR the beautiful Liberals in Hollywood and New York. They have as much right to an opinion as I do!

Fuck al from and the psuedo donkey he rode in on!

[HootieMcBoob]

77. That "Hollywood Crowd"

are the people who run what is perhaps the only industry left in this country that produces a product that is popular and profitable around the world. On top of that "Hollywood" contributes to Democratic candidates far more than Republicans.

Those DLC idiots are falling directly into the trap that the Republican party has laid out for them. They are allowing themselves to be defined by Republicans. Do you think for a second that if "Hollywood" contributed more to Republicans than they do to Democrats that they would be bad mouthing them? Hell no! They would embrace them as one of their own.

The DLC is the absolute worst thing to ever happen to the Democratic party.

[Cha]

81. Exactamundo!

Good point about the trap the repukes set for them!

[trayfoot]

29. Okay, I've seen all I need to see to leave the dems.

I have had it with the bullshit being spewed by people in the DLC/DNC who could give a shit about grassroots dems. While I have supported this party for over three decades, they can now "kiss my ass"! I have had it with their pandering to the right-wing element and will not support them anymore! Virginia's election for Governor will feel the wrath of Dems, like me, who feel totally betrayed by a party they worked their butts off for. Sorry, Tim Kaine, you are ON YOUR OWN - get your help from the leadership at the DNC!

[KoKo]

32. There's the "Progressives" and "Green Dogs" in the new Left of DNC

emerging. Take a look from "Google" and see if you have either in your state before you leap. "Green Dogs" might be able to work with Greens and the Progressives have much to deal with. Where would you go?

[GreenInNC]

33. so called GreenDogs in NC

The leadership of the Greendogs here in NC rolled over and played dead when the democratic leadership called them on the carpet for fraternizing with the NC Green Party.

[KoKo]

34. I wasn't aware of that incident but met with them a couple of weeks ago

because as a Democrat, I'm disgusted and looking for alternatives. If you are in Wake County there's a group trying to break the "grip" of the person running the "Green Dogs" to get the movement more in line with the New Progressives." I'm disgusted that NO ONE seems to want to deal with election!

I really hate politics but I've been in it for four years so I still keep looking for the "church I feel at home in."

Mainstream Dem in NC...not radical enough for me..."Green Dogs" controlled but movement to take it over...by the Progressives. I'm waiting to see if the Progressives are successful and if NC ends up with investigations for voter fraud which I think it should and I've e-mailed enough...to try to get interest.

If all else fails...I'm between "Green Dogs" and NC Progressives...or outta here to "Green Party." :shrug: I'm still assessing as I said.

[GreenInNC]

69. Greens and the Green Dogs in NC

Last spring, at our annual meeting, two representatives of the Green Dogs came to the NC Greens and invited us to partcipate in a new group they were forming. They had already formed a group to work within the Democratic Party, the "Progressive Caucus" but they also wanted to form a group that would work with other progressive groups in the state that would help fund progressives running for office. The working name of this new group was the Progresive Democratic PAC. We asked for the word "Democratic" be removed from the name and at the founding convention, over 2/3rds of the people in attendence agreed to remove the word so we agreed to become members.

Fast forward a couple of months to the first meeting of the PAC. The leadership of the PAC said they were getting pressurred by the state party to put the word Democratic back in the title and to make it near impossible for non-Democrats to recieve funding. The leadership had packed the meeting and allowed proxies to be used so they could ram through these new bylaw changes. They disregarded the will of the 2/3rds majority at the founding convention and screwed the Greens.

We want to work with other progressives in the state but if this is how we are treated, why should we?

[DaveinMD]

40. that's a great idea

Let's elect more conservative Republicans. That will change the country for the better. What utter bullshit.

[trayfoot]

57. We are already allowing the selection of more neocons.......

"Let's elect more conservative Republicans. That will change the country for the better. What utter bullshit."

And the Democratic Party is doing NOTHING to change that scenario. They cannot even endorse the investigations for fraud or rail against the voting rights violations! They are as useles as teats on a boarhog! I am tired of giving money, time, effort to a bunch of people who care no more about people like me than does the asshole in the white house. The ONLY way to get their attention is to show them that the base is leaving - and frankly, that might not even resonate with the arrogant bastards. Sorry, but this bashing of Moore is way over the top, and combined with their failure to attend to the electoral problems that threaten representative government, I simply cannot support people like this.

[DaveinMD]

84. so because we lose an election it means we don't care

that is a crock of shit. Sometimes election are lost and that's tough. But the solution isn't to turn on other Democrats.

[AntiCoup2K4]

75. It is utter bullshit

But it's exactly what the From/Marshall crowd lives for. These are the very assholes who referred to the 1994 theft of Congress as a "liberation" for the Democratic party.

Funny how neocons always use the word "liberation" as a psuedonym for something better described as a "complete fucking disaster", isn't it?

From has betrayed this party. Marshall, as a PNAC'er, has betrayed this country. Neither of them deserve ANY position within Democratic leadership of any sort.

[GreenPartyVoter]

37. Oh, brother. I am SO done with two party politics. Can't wait to get

ranked voting in my state!!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm

[DaveinMD]

43. excellent

you can help more Republicans get elected. Great work.

[GreenPartyVoter]

44. No, I can get off my ass and get ranked voting instituted instead of

crying about "spoiled" elections.

Try it sometime.

Go ahead. Click on it. I dare ya.
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm

[DaveinMD]

45. I am quite involved

Ranked voting is a pipe dream that will never happen. I prefer to work to elect Democrats. Votes for third party candidates only serve to elect Republicans.

[GreenPartyVoter]

46. Well, there you go then. That's fine if you want to do it that way, but

your size 2 party don't fit on my size 16 body, so I have to shop elsewhere.

And if Maine passes ranked voting, I will be sure to let you know that Hell froze over. ;)

http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm

[DaveinMD]

49. good luck with that

I hope you get it there. But that's not something that will ever happen nationally.

[GreenPartyVoter]

52. But we might get it from the bottom up. One town and county at a time.

:) I have high hopes for Maine. We have a Dem governor who has expressed interest in it, and about 3/4s of the legislature is made up of folks who ran publically financed "clean" campaigns. We might have a chance with it, at least more than say.. oh, Texas or Florida? *lol*

[DaveinMD]

82. true

I hope you succeed in that. It can only help progressives.

[Forkboy]

47. Dont waste your time with this one

The poster isn't even interested in the slightest,doesn't care and wont listen.

[DaveinMD]

48. excuse me

I've been involved in politics since I was 12 years old. To say I don't care is bullshit. You belong with the Republicans making statement like this.

[Forkboy]

50. I meant you dont care about what the other poster has to say

And your attitude towards that poster was just as close-minded and Republican like as anything I said :eyes:

[DaveinMD]

51. I am open minded

but I also know how politics works. And voting for third party candidates with no chance of winning only helps to elect more Republicans.

I am a very liberal Democrat. But I'm also a pragmatist. I believe the time to move the party left is in primaries. I also believe it doesn't help the party by attacking other Democrats. We should build a winning coalition by united all good Democrats. That is the first step to winning.

[Cheswick2.0]

55. the leadership of the DLC are not democrats

They are corporatists. Anyone who is now a member will drop them when they finally realize they are losing elections and that they do not need them anymore.

[DaveinMD]

83. more crap

Most DLC Democrats are good Democrats. Bill Clinton being among them. I'm not a DLCer. I'm a labor Democrat. However, this intraparty fights accomplish nothing. Running people out of our party does nothing to help us win elections. And the DLC did not run this election. They are a boogeyman here.

[greenohio]

54. We just need to kick the following people out of the party

and then we can start winning again:
Jim Doyle Governor WI
Michael Easley Governor NC
Jennifer Granholm Governor MI
Bob Holden Governor MO
Gary Locke Governor WA
Ruth Ann Minner Governor DE
Ronnie Musgrove Governor MS
Janet Napolitano Governor AZ
Ed Rendell Governor PA
Bill Richardson Governor NM
Kathleen Gilligan Sebelius Governor KS
Tom Vilsack Governor IA
Mark Warner Governor VA
Max Baucus U.S. Senator MT
Evan Bayh U.S. Senator IN
John Breaux U.S. Senator LA
Maria Cantwell U.S. Senator WA
Tom Carper U.S. Senator DE
Hillary Clinton U.S. Senator NY
Kent Conrad U.S. Senator ND
Christopher Dodd U.S. Senator CT
Dianne Feinstein U.S. Senator CA
Bob Graham U.S. Senator FL
Tim Johnson U.S. Senator SD
John Kerry U.S. Senator MA
Herb Kohl U.S. Senator WI
Mary Landrieu U.S. Senator LA
Joe Lieberman U.S. Senator CT
Blanche Lincoln U.S. Senator AR
Bill Nelson U.S. Senator FL
Ben Nelson U.S. Senator NE
Mark Pryor U.S. Senator AR
Debbie Stabenow U.S. Senator MI

[PassingFair]

56. Fine, I say we start with

Granholm and Bayh. Then Landrieu. Mayhap the rest will see the error of their ways and appeal to democratic principles, not corporate donations.

[greenohio]

58. the one's we keep would still be repuke moles. We couldn't trust them.

They all need to go. Also, the ones you specified were either from red or swing states. We could lose those seats. We should pick states where we will regain the seats like Calif and Conn.

[Forkboy]

59. And dont forget...we need to get rid of their toadies online too!

Then we'll be getting somewhere!

[greenohio]

60. Good luck. I hear they're pretty resilient. We better start with

senators from blue states like CA and Conn. We can win those seats without an incumbent.

[Forkboy]

61. No no no...the toadies ONLINE

[greenohio]

62. Why you following me Forkboy, isn't there someone who likes you?

You know I don't.

[Forkboy]

63. I see you finally got it

:toast:

[greenohio]

64. The question is do you?

Are you still mad? How bout a hug?

:pals:

[Forkboy]

65. To quote Jason Varitek's response to Rodriguez when ARod got hit

"We dont throw at .240 hitters"

[Cheswick2.0]

78. sounds like a plan to me

pick off the worst in the primaries.

Of course many of those people may not even be active members anymore. GreenOhio demands they make a formal public statement or hire a lawyer to be taken from the lst...but I don't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Shh, here is a secret

they don't like moore for a good reason... no not the one you are thinking

You see Moore went ahead and told YOU, go down to your local precinct and take it over... now what happens when yo, me and many others do exactly this? THe DLC looses power

Don't run for the Greens, lets infiltrate the Democratic party

[Cheswick2.0]

70. you are exactly right

[UdoKier]

67. Anti-American, huh?

I guess from didn't need the votes of the millions who saw and agreed with Moore's movie.

Exactly what about Moore is "anti-American" is beyond me, but thus fvck ought to know that calling others "anti-American" just for dissenting is NOT consistent with the traditions of the democratic party, so I hope fervently that he leave it as soon as possible and join his true brethren in the GOP. We've had enough of him and his ilk sabotaging OUR party.

[Cheswick2.0]

71. they do not care about democratic victory

they care about taking their share of the corporate money.

[AntiCoup2K4]

76. Will Marshall is the anti-American

He's a member of PNAC, which is led by foreign spies within the Bush Fraudministration, driving an agenda that benefits Likud Ultra-Zionism and corporate greed, not American security. PNAC'ers are traitors to this country.

[Q]

68. The DLCers are actually PRO-BUSH...

...and have only minor differences on certain policy issues. On the Iraq 'war' for instance...the DLCers support the Bush* doctrine of 'preemptive', aggressive war and would have assumed that same power had their candidate won.

Many Democrats have wondered why Bush* has remained untouchable for over four years. Some of the worst crimes ever committed against this nation and people (some call it treason)...yet the 'new' Dems have remained silent while marginalizing those in the party who speak out against Bush*.

Smearing Moore exposes their true intentions. They will protect and defend the status quo for the corporations...even if it means protecting the Bushies.

[Cocoa]

72. the DLC is exactly 180 degrees wrong on Moore

Moore is exactly the right person to dispel the "elite" myth about liberals. All you have to do is see one of his movies, or watch him do an interview. He represents the populist soul of the left, and he could easily win over some populist-minded republicans who have no business being republicans.

The DLCers to me are like alien beings, they don't represent me in any way at all. Joe Lieberman's humiliation in the primaries was a great victory, and I predict their failure will continue. Moore bashing could very well be a last desperate inane nonsensical gasp.

[sadiesworld]

73. It was nice to see Wes Clark stand up for MM during the primaries.

:)

[janx]

74. From et al....

don't want anything or anyone to weaken their grip on power.

[Warren DeMontague]

79. Yeah!!!! We need more folks like.... Tom Daschle!

[greenohio]

85. And Dianne Feinstien and Chris Dodd

and Stabenow and Cantwell....and....

[Zhade]

80. DLCer Will Marshall endorses PNAC views...

...so the DLC (which apparently has no problem with Marshall consorting with traitors) can go fuck itself.

How I wish sigs were on! I love sharing the truth about the DLC via my sig.

[brettdale]

86. Michael Moore's letter not updated

Michael Moore hasnt updated his letter on his webpage yet, its nearly been a month, I guess he busy on his movie "Sicko"