Possible RNC leak explains vote fraud mechanish

[candy331]

I read this on Demorcracy For America Forum (DFA)The writer states:

This may be fact, it may not, but in any regard it's worth reading because it is at the very least a possibility that they did use a program.

It is also possible the vote was hacked.

It also may be possible both of those things happened, so that if they got caught on one tactic, the fake results generated by the other tactic might offset it--- and that may be why Bush's margins were too big to be true (or beleivable)





Brad Menfil is not my real name. I work for the RNC. I fear reprisals
if I'm found out.

The truth about this election is this: Florida and Ohio had to go for
Bush in order for him to "win" the election. In reality he lost both
states. In fact, he did not even win the popular vote. He lost the
national popular vote by at least 1,750,000. This shows you the scale
of the fraud.

The exit polls were not wrong. Kerry was the clear winner, but victory
was snatched from him.

Florida first. The 200,000+ margin of victory for Bush made this state
uncontestable. Everybody assumes that even with some fraud, Kerry could

never have made up the difference in a recount. But Kerry actually won
by about 750,000 votes. The numbers were changed by a computer program
(in both electronic and scan-tron voting systems) called "KerryLite."
"KerryLite" of course is not actual name of the program. The actual
name is 11-5-18-18 etc. For additional encryption, the numbers were
jumbled but I'm not sure in which order. The numbers replace the
letters of the alphabet. For example, K is the eleventh letter of the
alphabet.

So the if-then statement goes something like this: "if total true
Kerry>total true Bush, Bush x 1.04x (.04 is a random number)(total true
Kerry), total true Bush". The second part of the equation takes the
total number of votes cast and subtracts the new Bush total, subtracts
the third party totals and leaves the rest for Kerry.

Sometimes the program would also reduce third party votes and award
them to Bush. And even where Bush legitimately won, he was still
awarded additional votes. The big Democratic counties (Broward for
example) went to Kerry because it had to appear that everything was on
the up and up. It's interesting to see this unfold. Does anybody wonder

why the Republican counties were mostly counted after the Democratic
counties? You should wonder, and also know that this was no accident.
The Bush team had to make up the votes as the night went on.

In Ohio, computer voting fraud, vote tossing and voter suppression were

the main methods. Vote tossing was simply the removal of Kerry votes
and some third party votes. In some areas, the Bush vs. Kerry votes
were absurd. Nine to one, eight to two.

Voter suppression took the form of making voters stand in four hour
long lines. This of course took place in Democratic areas. The simplest

thing to do was to have too few voting machines. Sometimes that's all
it takes. People eventually lose patience and leave without casting a
vote.

In other states such as New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa and New Hampshire,
Kerry's leads evaporated very quickly once the polls were shut down.
Kerry only won New Hampshire, but barely. As it turned out, the lead
was 6% for Kerry in that state and not enough fraudulent activity took
place to flip the state to Bush.

So this will all come out and be known to everyone. Nothing this
massive can be kept a secret. You're already beginning to see these
"irregularities" and the whisper will become a roar.

Hang in there!

[aquart]

1. We've seen it.

Anyone can say or claim anything. Show me a verifiable fact in that statement.

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. That's why I can't stand things like this.

They do more harm than good. I wouldn't be surprised if it were a prankster counting on getting a rise out of democrats and other anti-Bush voters.

[hangemhigh]

2. I just read this here:

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html

and was searching for a thread here on DU-the author's explanation certainly makes sense-are these credible sources? Explosive if so.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

4. I read this on Hardblogger today -

"The fact is, Brad Menfil, or whatever his/her real name is... is a self absorbed and sick punk. Menfil only seems to care about making an argument, not about proving one. There are some thoughtful discussions and honest investigations into the troubling election "irregularities." Let's not allow those to get shoved aside or replaced because of quacks like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5445086/

It's a pretty good piece, though it discredits this brad m. thing.

[alittlelark]

3. I want for that to be true.... but 'he said, she said'

isn't working for me anymore (still digesting the BBV stuff).

On the record, or nuttin'

[havocmom]

5. We STILL don't know for sure who killed John Kennedy.

Seems likely some secrets do get kept when the stakes are high enough. Take over of the US government is a high stakes game.

Also seems likely the events (vote theft/take-over of US government & many assassinations) would turn out to be connected, if we could ever get all the facts sorted out from the rumors and dis-information.

[DeepGreen]

6. A Google search on Brad brings out 2 pages of links

A lot being said about this. I wish it was true!

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=20&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&newwindow=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Brad+Menfil&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=off

[Mike Niendorff]

7. Originally posted to Indymedia.

Reliability so far appears VERY suspect (to say the least).


MDN

[robre]

13. same guy posted another story on indymedia about bush's wire

he claimed the same stuff about having contacts in the republican party, etc.

[Kurovski]

8. I think that the information is worse than useless.

It could undermine any real investigations as those detractors of securing a fair voting process in America point to us lapping up unsubstantiated claims that are impossible to investigate.

For all we know, it could have come from the White House itself. Or the Kerry camp, for that matter.

It's curious that "Brad" does not offer any way to actually rectify the situation by telling us how to look for these programs. Nor does Brad mention any contact he might have made with the FBI, the GAO, or the Congressmen wishing to investigate our suspicious voting systems. It is, IMO, a Red Herring.

Until Brad decides to come out of the closet with pay stubs in hand, or some proof he was involved in this, people would be wiser to ignore it. I'm guessing that if we see enough of it in the mainstream media--and I've seen it twice on MSNBC-- it could be used to point out "how silly" all this concern about vote integrity is.

From day one, the MSMedia has invested heavily in calling those wondering about the voting system in this nation as "conspiracy theorists." This unverifiable bit of info from "Brad" could easily be used to discredit our efforts.

I still somewhat believe that is why most investigation efforts have been kept low-key. To keep the MSMedia, now essentially owned by only 5 corporations, from gearing up into "destroy " mode as they did with Gore in 2000 and Howard Dean in 2004. They also worked hard to crush and marginalize dissenters in the lead-up to Shrub's war.

The proof of any fraud will be in the machines themselves. We must demand access to those machines

"Brad" is proof of nothing at all, and if he's real, then we should urge him to come forward before we support or promote his specific claims.

So, how about it "Brad"? Even a pimply-faced freep can emerge from his mother's basement and do the right thing.

Of course, the Republican owned companies that designed the programs and machines can end the so-called "conspiracy theories" today by giving complete access to machines, systems, and the rest.

The fact that the vote in America is in the hands of a few unaccountable corporations that can do whatever they wish in secrecy because of corporate laws is both outrageous and completely unacceptable.

And there is not a damn thing conspiratorial about that.

[Hekate]

16. You make some excellent points

However: "The proof of any fraud will be in the machines themselves.
We must demand access to those machines"

This may be difficult if not impossible.

Two years ago I ran the BBV problem by my husband, who was a computer programmer/systems analyst when we met (he's now teaching computing in the local college). I had been reading about it in DU but wasn't sure if it was all tinfoil hat stuff or not, but the phrase "secret source code" just leapt off the screen at me. It was a particular gripe of his when he was in the industry.

The problem with secret source code, or proprietary code, is that no one outside the company that wrote it gets to check its validity. Being hired to modify, upgrade, or debug it, sometimes years after installation, can induce brain cramp because you are literally working in the dark.

So that's problem #1 -- no one outside Diebold has been allowed to verify or debug the program. They just hang out a big Trust Me sign, and I think the law is on their side unless there's enough evidence to get a judge to listen.

Problem #2 is that paperless voting truly can't be verified -- it's almost like saying "there is no 'there' there." The cheating program could have been written quite subtly to randomize Kerry's votes away (something to do with algorithms): such as every 13th vote of the first thousand goes from Kerry to Bush; then every ___th vote of the next ____ goes from Kerry to a Libertarian or a Green. You get the picture.

If we had a couple of magic wishes, it would have to be for someone inside either the RNC or Diebold to leak concrete information, like a printout of the source code plus a few relevant e-mails and memos. That would be the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers.

As you pointed out, this other stuff is a red herring, and it will stick to us and stink if we get involved with it.

The VRWC used a whole arsenal of dirty tricks this time out, not just one or two, and those of us on the side of fair voting have to keep after *all* of it. The NAACP can help investigate old fashioned voter suppression techniques, and Bev Harris et al can keep after the electronic end of it, while countless others can report back on individual precincts.

I think they are counting on our exhaustion. I hope we prove them wrong.

Hekate

[Kurovski]

17. Yes, and it's unacceptable to keep using these machines.

The next step is to get rid of them by 2002.

All of America should vote the same way, by which I don't mean Democratic, but with paper ballots and pens.

It will also be much cheaper than these damn machines.

[Pacifist Patriot]

26. Exactly!

[grasswire]

9. Karl? Is that you?

How many times will people fall for Rove's tricks?

[OneBlueSky]

10. yeah, I smell bullshit . . . or, more accurately, Roveshit . . .

I'd wait for real confirmation before running with this one . . .

[brentspeak]

11. It would fit Rove's philosophy

Release an easily debunked story so as to permanantly put the kibosh on any further serious investigation into the matter.

[Supersedeas]

22. SPICE a fraudulent story with some facts to poison the tree leading

to real Evidence.

[Pacifist Patriot]

27. Yes, that thought did pass through my mind.

Very very Rovian tactic. I'm much reminded of the NG memos. The memos quickly became the story rather than Bush's actual service. Same thing could be happening here. Though I have to admit I would have expected it to come from a more high profile source than an internet rumor. Puzzling indeed.

[Virginian]

12. Wouldn't it have been easier

just to flip every 37th Kerry vote to Bush?

The code would have been easier and a recount would have come up with the same total as the original total.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. WAIT, if this guy is legit, he cannot say a thing

with a medial lock down they will not touch it

Can anybody say WATERGATE?

If this guy is legit he is right, more and more will come out. and Mardsen has been talking to the techs who were not paid....

This may be on the up and up, but there are way more holes to be filled

I know everybody is trained to be a cynic but I am just presenting the devil's advocate case

[Zhade]

15. See post #11.

I'm wondering if Karl Schwartz was a Rove ploy, too, at this point...

[Kurovski]

18. As in Watergate, he best be finding a Woodward

to whom he can spill the beans.

Keith Olbermann would be a good choice.

Until then, I say, "feh!" to Brad.

I can wait.

[ORprogressive]

19. Yes, this is pegging my bullshit meter

This is a possible way sink any investigation. Throw a poison steak out here and hope we all sink out teeth into it. Be on guard!!

[Cheswick2.0]

20. it's nonsense

[LiberalFighter]

21. How do we make sure they don't do it again?

Fry EVERY voting cartridge in republican precincts.

That may be the only way to force paper receipt machines or go back to paper ballots.

[gasperc]

23. can't this be proven by hand counting one county??

if one county can be hand counted in FL and OHio and it is way off from the machine count, then it should open the doors of fraud wide open!

[Pacifist Patriot]

24. My mom just emailed me that this morning.

While I think the substance is probably pretty close to the truth, I sincerely doubt the veracity of the details and source. I'd really like to think this is Deep Throat, but I can't hold my breath. ETA: As indicated above I'm more inclined to think it is designed to distract and misdirect rather than point to anything substantial.