Chicago Tribune Story on FBI investigation into Ohio vote tampering.

[UdoKier]

I know this is kind of a dupe, but I wanted to post this in a format that hopefully won't force people to register.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0412040222dec04,1,2022369,print.story?coll=chi-news-hed


Dead voters on rolls, other glitches found in 6 key states
By Geoff Dougherty, Tribune staff reporter. Tribune staff reporter Sarah Frank contributed to this report from Washington

December 4, 2004

Michel Pillet died in 2002, but his name lives on at the University of New Mexico. He created the school's graduate architecture program and directed it for years.



And the FBI is investigating allegations that Republicans in Florida mounted a large-scale campaign to tamper with ballots.



County-by-county results provided to The Associated Press on Friday indicated Bush's margin of victory in Ohio will be about 119,000 votes, smaller than the unofficial margin of 136,000, mainly because of the addition of provisional ballots.

Ohio's so-called spoilage rate, ballots cast without a discernable vote for president, was lower than Florida's in the 2000 election. But the number of discarded ballots--92,000--represents a significant number, given that Bush's margin of victory was about 119,000 .


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0412040222dec04,1,2022369,print.story?coll=chi-news-hed

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Is the lid starting to come off?

[jamboi]

2. Man, I hope so! I think if nothing else it will be now okay for the MSM

to talk about it, since both Repubs and Dems are trading charges now and since Chicago Tribune is a major paper.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. What are the Repubs saying?

What charge are they launching? And if so, then they would agree with us that we need to look into this deeper.

[jamboi]

3. 4 keys: Dead voters,Multi-state regs,90K OH non-pres. voters,FBI in FL

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0412040222dec04,1,2022369,print.story?coll=chi-news-hed

"More than 181,000 dead people were listed on the rolls in the six swing states, despite efforts to clean up the country's voting system after the 2000 election.

Thousands more voters were registered to vote in two places, which could have allowed them to cast more than one ballot.

Further, more than 90,000 voters in Ohio cast ballots without a valid presidential choice. Either they decided not to choose a candidate, the machine failed to register their choice, or they mistakenly voted for more than one candidate.

And the FBI is investigating allegations that Republicans in Florida mounted a large-scale campaign to tamper with ballots."

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. The REP went after the Inactive Voter lists

that is where they did their mining for votes.

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. I think you're absolutely right. And I have more than a suspicion

that's how they got extra votes in Florida. I've said this several times on DU, but I'll say it again, in fact, I'll add more. I was the laptop person for a precinct in Central Florida. The rule is that voters were suppose to be dropped off as active voter after two years, if their mail was returned in that time. They would then be red flagged, and if so, the only way the could vote if they came in was through provisional ballot. But I found a lot that were inactive longer than two years that were in blue, which means, they could vote the regular way. I didn't pay attention to see if these voters were Republican or Democrat. But I do remember that I saw an increase in these people coming in after lunch time.

In addition, one person came in claiming that he and his wife had already voted through absentee ballot, but the register said that he hadn't voted at all, The line was blank. I don't recall why he came into the precinct if he knew he mailed in a ballot, but I suspect it was because he was called by the Republicans in the county who claimed that he still hadn't voted by elecion day. The clerk had no choice but to give him a ballot because those were our instructions. The registry could say absentee ballot requested, mailed or delivered, but if it didn't say, "Voted by absentee or absentee received" we were suppose to give him a ballot. And this man's registry said nothing. Not even that he was sent a ballot.

It was only days later that it dawned on me that he could have received that absentee ballot from another county and neither he nor his wife figured that out, because no one really expects to find the level of incompetence that you find in Florida. I didn't even know that each county had their own independent voter registries until this experience cemented the flaw in the system.

[Warbrain]

9. Just to make clear,

Is this how Bush managed to win 80% of a the vote in some counties in Florida while 80% of the voters are registered Democrats?

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Interesting question. They do overplay the Dem Dixiecrats but

I can't believe they're all that stupid.

To me, double-votes would explain why some precints were showing more than 100% voter participation. IF Florida was subject to computer tampering that flipped votes from Kerry to Bush, the one thing that would have been an unknown factor to the programmer would have been those absentee ballots. It would have created a manual pile-on that could not have been anticipated days or weeks before the election. Sort of what happens when you have too many cooks in the kitchen.

We not only need to get a chance to investigate the number of double voting that took place due to absentee ballots, but we also need to look into that claim that there was vote flipping taking place. If it were me, I'd start looking in those counties which had more than 100% voter participation.

[quaoar]

5. This is a significant escalation

FBI involvement would entail more than bureaucratic inefficiency such as dead people not being properly removed from the voter lists. This involves tampering.

[LittleClarkie]

13. Isn't it weird to have the FBI involved though

I thought they tended to be pro-Bush. I thought someone said they didn't trust them (Madsen maybe?)

[DavidDvorkin]

6. They will investigate and say it's all okay

No problems, no significant fraud, no indictments, nothing to see.

[Quakerfriend]

11. I don't know about that

I've heard that Mueller is a personal friend of JKs. Maybe something will come of this.

BTW, is it a fact that 180,000 dead people were allowed to vote? LOL after I wrote this. ie, were there votes made under their names?

[Supersedeas]

12. discarded ballots sounds and smells like a Free Republic

[Niche]

14. took my post off

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. The flaw in the system is that the system is expecting each

voter to take responsibility and be honest. There are two problems with this:

(1) We are no longer an honest society. We probably never were.

(2) The Republican party's over-zealous absentee mailing to their party members AND their over-zealous phone calls to get people to come down on election day may have caused the very kind of confusion where honest voters may have voted twice. Simply, Republicans from one county sent ballots to voters who were inactive and when the voter mailed it in, he thought it was going to his current county. Everything would have been fine, except that the Republicans in his current county would have contacted him by phone on election day to remind him to come down and vote. Each county has its own voter registration in Florida, so this kind of thing can easily happen.