This is what we are facing....

[The Doctor.]

I wrote an E-mail to a very wonderful person who I care about.

I almost feel bad.

Here was the E-mail and their response;

To (blank),

See if you can tell me what famous person said this;


"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press-- in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of LIBERAL excess during the past years."

I'm curious to know if people are paying attention to the things that are being said lately, it seems many are not.

So see if you can quess who spoke those above words, and tell me if you think the speaker has a point.

Love ya,

-Garth


The response;



Hi Garth!! Hmmm, I'm not sure who said this, but they are very right indeed!
We NEED to have a Christian spirit! It would be wonderful to instill in
everyone a Christian spirit! I'm not saying our faith should definitely be the
only one, but non-Christians need to realize that without Christ, we are nothing
and have nothing! I think that because our country was founded on such a great
and true basis, it says something about why we are número uno! LoL, yes, maybe
I'm being a bit biased, but "I tell you the truth" here :-)!

We, as a country, should want to get rid of all the immorality in our media and
in the stuff that warps our brains and causes us to fall away from God and His
word and our hope of an everlasting life where all of our problems and the
problems of the world are vanished --- where there is ALWAYS joy, peace and
love!


YOU WROTE:
"I'm curious to know if people are paying attention to the things that are being
said lately, it seems many are not."

I'm sorry Garth, but I don't know what you mean by "the things that are being
said lately."


Oh wait a sec, let me guess who might have said that quote. Was it Kerry??? I
don't believe he could have even come close to being able to "fill our culture
again with the Christian spirit!" There are too many non-Christians, who are
more immoral than anyone can even imagine, in our culture for that! I reckon
you'd have to brainwash thousands or millions of people!!

That brings me to the war in Iraq. I still believe Bush is doing the right
thing! Maybe most people can't see that and maybe it will go on long after Bush
is not in office anymore, but I don't want to think what would happen if we
weren't trying to get rid of terrorists. If we don't do something, bad things
could happen.

And, I've got to get to bed now, LoL! You have a wonderful morning my friend!
Peace be to you!

Love like Christ's,
(blank)



My response;

Hi love!

The speaker was Hitler, Adolph Hitler.

I've noticed many of our leaders speaking this way lately.

Do not be fooled.

God is Truth - not a book,

-Garth



There are many who are so sweet and wonderful... and so badly duped there's nothing you can say to get them to see.

I'll update later....

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

1. wow, please let us know the response! n/t

[Brundle_Fly]

2. scary

"non-Christians need to realize that without Christ, we are nothing
and have nothing"

[Erika]

3. Excellent - Bushco is NOT Christian

See his actions, they are far different from the words he speaks.

Bushco has tossed Christ's Golden Rule out the window. He has thrown Christ's peace and forgiveness concepts out the window.

He refuses to accept responsibility for this insane war and hides the truth. See www.truthout.org/docs_04/120604V.shtml.

Your friend needs to wake up.

[sandnsea]

4. Iraq & getting rid of terrorists

That is the line of thinking from these people that I just do not understand.

Would you please ask this person what he/she thinks would happen if Iraq were subdued tomorrow? Does this person think there would be no more terrorist attacks? Does this person have any idea that there are terrorists all over the world? What does this person want to do about those terrorists?

I have heard that fighting the terrorists over there statement so many times and it just makes my head ache. I do not understand what they think fighting in Iraq is accomplishing in regards to terrorism.

[The Doctor.]

7. I will. n/t

[InvisibleBallots]

5. see if he agrees with this quote:

But American Christians, I must say to you as I said to the Roman Christians years ago, "Be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind." Or, as I said to the Phillipian Christians, "Ye are a colony of heaven." This means that although you live in the colony of time, your ultimate allegiance is to the empire of eternity. You have a dual citizenry. You live both in time and eternity; both in heaven and earth. Therefore, your ultimate allegiance is not to the government, not to the state, not to nation, not to any man-made institution. The Christian owes his ultimate allegiance to God, and if any earthly institution conflicts with God's will it is your Christian duty to take a stand against it. You must never allow the transitory evanescent demands of man-made institutions to take precedence over the eternal demands of the Almighty God.

[The Doctor.]

6. Jim Jones?

Jerry Falwell?

(insert name of zealot here)

[InvisibleBallots]

13. no, the zealot is Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/sermonsFrame.htm

But American Christians, I must say to you as I said to the Roman Christians years ago, "Be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind." Or, as I said to the Phillipian Christians, "Ye are a colony of heaven." This means that although you live in the colony of time, your ultimate allegiance is to the empire of eternity. You have a dual citizenry. You live both in time and eternity; both in heaven and earth. Therefore, your ultimate allegiance is not to the government, not to the state, not to nation, not to any man-made institution. The Christian owes his ultimate allegiance to God, and if any earthly institution conflicts with God's will it is your Christian duty to take a stand against it. You must never allow the transitory evanescent demands of man-made institutions to take precedence over the eternal demands of the Almighty God.

I understand that you have an economic system in America known as Capitalism. Through this economic system you have been able to do wonders. You have become the richest nation in the world, and you have built up the greatest system of production that history has ever known. All of this is marvelous. But Americans, there is the danger that you will misuse your Capitalism. I still contend that money can be the root of all evil. It can cause one to live a life of gross materialism. I am afraid that many among you are more concerned about making a living than making a life. You are prone to judge the success of your profession by the index of your salary and the size of the wheel base on your automobile, rather than the quality of your service to humanity.

The misuse of Capitalism can also lead to tragic exploitation. This has so often happened in your nation. They tell me that one tenth of one percent of the population controls more than forty percent of the wealth. Oh America, how often have you taken necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes. If you are to be a truly Christian nation you must solve this problem. You cannot solve the problem by turning to communism, for communism is based on an ethical relativism and a metaphysical materialism that no Christian can accept. You can work within the framework of democracy to bring about a better distribution of wealth. You can use your powerful economic resources to wipe poverty from the face of the earth. God never intended for one group of people to live in superfluous inordinate wealth, while others live in abject deadening poverty. God intends for all of his children to have the basic necessities of life, and he has left in this universe "enough and to spare" for that purpose. So I call upon you to bridge the gulf between abject poverty and superfluous wealth.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/sermonsFrame.htm

[The Doctor.]

15. The voice of persuasion has common themes indeed....

[ComerPerro]

8. Nice

Very funny. Yet... disturbing.

[juslikagrzly]

9. Can you point me to the source for this quote?

I'd like to use it. Thanks.

[rman]

14. source for other Hitler quotes on religion

Hitler's Christianity
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations
http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

[radfringe]

10. What's the difference

between fundalmentalist radical christians and fundamentalist radical islamics or just any old fundamentlist religious radical?

not much - they all claim to answer to/speak to a higher power and they all claim they are right

[mogster]

11. A very revealing answer to your mail, indeed

Seems to me that there is a need to identify who's the bad guys and who's just being stupid and gullible.

The Republican Christians are a scared lot, being fed the exaggregated enemy reality picture by Falwell, FOX, Limbaugh and NRO day after day.
The world is decayed and sick, that's the message.

Touching post! Looks forward to see the answer.
Perhaps you should point the person to this thread, to see what is being discussed?

[Disturbed]

12. Rethugs and the Nazis

Both clever groups of folk. Wrap up and disquise political, economic imperialism in god and Jesus and the masses lap it up like it was their fave ice cream on a hot summer day.

[mogster]

17. Yes, isn't that strange?

And who can even mistake their ego 'religion' for Christianity?
I'm not very spiritually minded myself, but that's not how I remember it from sunday school? Being nice, I grasped that part.

It's a sorry sight, the republican party these days.

[bush_is_wacko]

16. Can anyone provide a link to this quote?

I have read this quote many times but can't find it anywhere.

[Tharks]

18. Unfair use of Hitler - he was neither Left nor Right nor Christian

You are kind of playing an unfair game, there are lots of Hitler quotes where the exact same trick would work on practically everyone on this board. The truth of the matter is that Hitler was not Left or Right or Christian or anything really. Hitler was a unique bread of scum Authoritarian completely unlike anything else the world ever has or ever will see again. Hitler used whatever political agenda furthered his power hungry disturbed agenda - ideas from all sorts of areas.

Evidence: DO YOU AGREE WITH ANY OF THE BELOW?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
--

From the NSDAP

"We demand... The abolition of incomes unearned by work ... The breaking of the slavery of interest ... We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class ...

The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth."

---

I'm sure I could selectively cut/paste other passages from many other Hitler writings/speeches, but I think my point is accurately made.

[AuntPatsy]

20. And your point being what? Hitler's rise to power was not

pronounced overnight in his bid to rid the world of the inifidels, it was a slow mechanical undertaking which required his earlier speeches to be more in line with taking one step at a time..

Sorry but your words do not cut it, it is not that simple..

[Tharks]

21. You are talking about something else entirely.

I was talking about how the author of this topic was being unfair with his use of the Hitler quote.

[BillZBubb]

22. Bullshit! Hitler was from the extreme right.

He was a nominal Christian, but he wouldn't let that stand in the way of a war. He cleverly used religious and economic messages to manipulate the sheeple. That's the whole point of this thread. Sadly, in trying to defend your right wing position, you missed it. Hitler exemplifies the same kind of crap another extreme right group is using today--the Repuglican fanatics.

Your point is bullshit.

[Tharks]

23. The diagram from the popular political test in the other topic

[The Doctor.]

24. Did you see where Bush falls on that chart?

Anyone... Anyone... Bueller?


The point that I was making is simple, whether you think it unfair or not, that the most slippery slopes are lubricated with these glorifications of 'values' and 'morality' and usually based in monotheism.

An earlier poster made a good point when he used a Martin Luther King Jr. quote. The methods of uniting people and steering them into action are the same no matter what your agenda.

(I did notice that MLK's quote didnt mention 'burning anything'.)

Take into consideration the methods by which the Nazis coerced the German people to war, and you find the parallels to this administration are chilling.

Did you know Poland attacked Germany first?

The Germans were 'just defending themselves'.

[Tharks]

25. Gir Rocks

*inside joke*

[The Doctor.]

26. And he explodes... and he likes Tacos...

And he sings the 'Doom song'; "DoomdoomdOomDooMdoDOOMdoomdOomdoomdooMDoom doom...doomdoomdoom de' doomdOomdoommmDoomdoomdOomDooMdoDOOMdoomdOomdoomdooMDoom doom...doomdoomdoom de' DOOM doomdoomdoomdoomdOomdoommmDoomdoomdOomDooMdoDOOMdoomdOomdoomdooMDoom doom...doomdoomdoom de' doomdOomdoommmDoomdoomdOomDooMdoDOOMdoomdOomdoomdooMDoom doom...doomdoomdoom de' doomdOomdoommm...
(six months later)
Doomeydoomey... doomey doomey doOM!"


{on edit}- Ohhhh...Yeaaahhhhhh....

So where does Bush** fall on that chart?

[Tharks]

28. Here

[October]

19. Brilliant!

I will await the next response.

[The Doctor.]

27. So will I - it usually takes 48 - 60 hours to hear back from them....

If I DO decide to post the response, it will be the last time I do so.

I'm not here to humiliate anyone.

(I'll bet the response seems very thoughtful and loaded with 'conditioning' though...)

[talk hard]

29. Hmmmmm. Bush certainly looks like a fancy lad in that outfit.