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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:45 AM
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There was a guy on CNN this morning
(Sorry, between home and work I forgot his name)

They brought up Ohio, and he said that the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for any recount. Even the interviewer was shocked. Her response was, in effect, so we just shouldn't investigate possible fraud because the voters shouldn't have to pay for it? This guy was, of course a repuke. The dem that was on said the DNC was paying for it, not the taxpayers. The repuke said that there was no fraud, so we shouldn't even bother.

Funny, the MSM is fianlly talking about this (other than referring to the crazy internet conspiracy theorists), and the repukes are still screaming that there isn't a story.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:48 AM
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1. If this is the same segment
the Repub guy said there was "no evidence of fraud" and also that Blackwell ran an excellent election and deserved to be complimented for it.....I was just surfing and didn't get the guy's name but he was on with a Dem lady.

This is the new spin....no fraud...Ken Blackwell is a hero.
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:11 AM
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9. Ken Whitewell aka
Ken Wrongblack, aka Can't Voterite, aka Can't Writeright, aka Can Votewrong, aka Con Rightwhite, etc etc. The evildoers must have groomed him for this a long time ago, it was their carefully considered contribution to affirmative action specifically designed to deflect suspicions of fraud right there in O-hi-O.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:51 AM
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2. suuuuuuuuuuuuuure
and i'm naturally blond
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:54 AM
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3. I'll tell you what a waste of money is..
Purchasing machines that leave no paper trail. Now that's a waste.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:01 AM
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8. I know!
When I go to an ATM machine and withdraw money, a little slip of paper shoots out telling me a) how much I took out, and b) how much I have left. These damn machines keep track of thousands, if not millions, of accounts. You can't tell me that when I go to an electronic voting machine and cast a vote that it "can't" print me out a slip of paper saying who I voted for!
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pleiku52cab Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:17 AM
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11. Toilet paper receipts?
thats about what they're worth if the machines internal tally is pre rigged or changed. It'll give you a warm glow of satisfaction while the real FRAUD is being committed.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:55 AM
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4. WOW!
I was just reflecting on my uncanny resemblence to Robert Redford! NOT!:hi:
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:56 AM
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5. Here some more details
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:57 AM
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6. The recount costs $1.5mil, a lot more than the $10/precinct the G_LIBs pay
So the taxpayer is funding most of the recount. But Ohio law says $10/precinct, so they Green-Libertarians are entitled to the recount.
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noshenanigans Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:59 AM
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7. So what *can* tax dollars be used for?
I spent the better part of the last 4 years trying to wrap my head around Republican tax policies. "Tax and Spend" is bad- instead we lower taxes and spend anyways, thus landing ourselves in a ton of debt. Tax money can be used for what? Not social programs, no, no, that needs to be "privatized". Tax money can't be used to investigate anything actually going on within the federal government?
What the hell can they use taxes for? Or should we just do away with taxes completely for everyone who makes over $200,000 a year and pray they all just decide to start businesses and pray it all works out?

I mean, I just fail to see the logic. Can someone please point me in the direction of the "ideal" Republican budget/economic policy?
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:16 AM
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10. Well if you need to investigate Bj's tax payer money comes in handy.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:20 AM
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13. Haha, good one! (Does your name come from a Carl Hiassen hero?)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:27 AM
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15. to pay loans to 3rd world nations,
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 10:27 AM by rman
so that transnational corporations such as Halliburton and Bechtel can build infrastructure there that is beneficial only to a small part of the population of those nations, while most of the loans end up in the pockets of the Halliburtons and the Bechtels of this world.

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions
DemocracyNow!
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/09/1526251&mode=thread&tid=25


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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:39 AM
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16. Bombs and Wall Street
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goodbody Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:22 AM
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18. "borrow and spend"
seems to be the Republican economic policy. How anyone can trust their management of resources, financial or otherwise, is beyond me.

I heard a comment on a talk show right after the "war" was started that I thought was interesting and has since seemed to be coming true: the Bushies are trying to force a fiscal crisis in government to use that as an excuse to gut Social Security.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:20 AM
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12. Can't get it right, states SHOULD pay
If they had done it according to law the first time, recounts would not be necessary. President-elect Kerry would be dominating the news instead of Chimp's corporate mob. With Kerry in office, there would have been a lot of things we wouldn't have to pay for.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:22 AM
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14. "no fraud". Sure, we'll just take your word for it.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:13 AM
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17. The worthless voting machines
paid for with tax payer $$$ are one hell of a lot more costly than a recount!!
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