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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:41 AM Original message |
David Jones admits "527" which "took Dean down" funded by Kerry & Gep. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. Kerry did NOT fund that group. Some who supported him also donated to the |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Well, of course he spoke out against those ads, just like |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. BLM, David Jones said they were funded by Kerry and Gephardt. Get |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Get real... |
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chocolateeater (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
57. So you are comparing hardball tactics |
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rfkrfk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
133. Let's play 'CLUE' , I think it was |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #133 |
168. LOL |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 10:45 AM Response to Reply #168 |
215. LOL times 2 |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. My Heart broke when I learned very early after the Iowa primary about |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
151. No Democratic candidate would have withstood a gang assault |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #151 |
187. Hear, hear! |
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Angelique (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #151 |
223. I miss Dean, and think he would have put up a better fight.. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. Why was this done? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:58 AM Original message |
He wasn't "Progressive" enough and their "527" polling showed he |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
120. Not "progressive" enough? |
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Rockerdem (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
130. It doesnt surprise me that CNN became a useful tool |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Ummm...they wanted to win, perhaps?? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Tragic |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. Whats more tragic is Kerry then gave the election to Bush. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Project vote smart |
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ever_green (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 04:02 AM Response to Reply #62 |
207. uh huh. messed up isn't it? |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. He didn't fit the DNC/DLC "mold"........................... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Jones said anti-war played a role, and that he was a moderate. |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Dean was very clear about his opposition to the DLC corporatists |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
9. Here is the link to the C-Span video. 2:58 into it, Jones speaks. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Thanks so much...where did you find the link? I looked all over the site |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I did a search on Annenberg. |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
11. It's sad that they... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
14. Now I'm getting pissed |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. No shit, Walt. Me too. |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
16. The thing that most angers me |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
226. Perhaps is the Skull & Bones brotherhood |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
17. Bastards! |
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valis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I agree: BASTARDS! |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. So the big question is... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Exactly ! |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Me, too. Kerry took less time to concede the vote than... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I Hadn't Thought Of It In That Way |
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ever_green (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 04:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
208. me either. good point. Sad though. Very sad. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
136. Excellent point Jane.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
94. Deleted message |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
19. Jones mentioned Medicare.......Dean's book explains stance. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
74. well of course, because so many democrats take big money from insurance |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #74 |
149. Lieberman being a prime example. n/t |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
22. Here are the donors to this 527 according to open secrets. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Maybe you did not watch the video. No, Hope, you are dead wrong. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The greater point of the post was that Dean donors even gave to that 527. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. If you defend what Jones said, then I am unbelieving. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. David Jones specifically said Kerry and Gephardt. He didn't list the |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
42. There were groups that supported Gephardt that funded |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:31 AM Response to Reply #42 |
139. Did you watch the clip? |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:26 AM Response to Reply #139 |
141. Thanks for encouraging me to watch it. I didn't see anywhere |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #141 |
199. Jones was on twice, yes. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 09:49 AM Response to Reply #141 |
212. No surprise here |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #212 |
213. The second time he appears in the video is almost |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. And you were a teacher? Go back and read what I wrote. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You are insulting me now. |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. MF - don't call me my dear and tell me I have blinders on |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Ah, the victim thingy again. |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I really hope so. I notice how you didn't address the point |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
188. How about here? |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #188 |
210. No, she changed the meaning of my words, I specifically said |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Maybe the ads were pulled quickly, but they made their point |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
75. well then we have a right to reform the party and put these asshole out |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
169. Only the most naive of supporters |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #169 |
181. Did you watch the clip, or only the part that you believe blamed |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:32 PM Response to Reply #181 |
198. Over-the-top |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
28. Our goal was to "knock out Governor Dean". |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
121. Jones can speak for himself, but not for Kerry or Gephardt. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. It was Kerry, Gephardt, and Clark. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Yeah, I can tell. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:12 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Ok, Eeyore. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:02 AM Response to Reply #126 |
146. It is you that appears to resemble the Eeyore character, |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Not me! |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:14 AM Response to Reply #147 |
148. What thug? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #148 |
154. Watch the video. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:22 AM Response to Reply #154 |
155. You mean Jones? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #155 |
192. It's a brutal truth, all right. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Jones is a political operative trying to stay in the game, sure he |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. Please understand where a lot of us are coming from here: |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:06 PM Response to Reply #196 |
201. And how many votes did Kerry win that we know of ? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:23 PM Response to Reply #201 |
202. You are apparently unable or unwilling to understand the point. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #125 |
173. You don't sound very informed about Dean's org, DFA. Also... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #173 |
179. Oh, so Dean is the leader of the DFA? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. You do not know what DFA is, do you? It was formed after. Shame. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. Nope, don't have to find out diddly squat - guess it ain't too |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. No, only the stars. Your comments don't touch me at all. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. How can he represent the hope for our party when he disregards |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
29. So why couldn't Dean fight back? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Why couldn't Max Cleland fight back when the Republicans ran essentially |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. You didn't answer the question |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
77. it doesn't matter........... one of them is gone and the other is going to |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. He was going up against two very experienced politicians. The point is |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. We know how Dean *DID* |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
111. same could be said about McCain... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Yep. |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
95. Why couldn't Kerry fight back against the SwiftBoat Liars for Bush? |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
171. Why didn't he? |
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ohioan (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:02 AM Response to Reply #171 |
205. Because, had he gone after them, the press STILL would have run with |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
35. Jones agreed with Dean that we were no safer with Saddam gone. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Jones agreed it was a "drive-by shooting." |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
116. If "osama got a fair trail"..then |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
36. Ok, I'm out of the Dem mainstream ... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Did you watch the video...starting at 2:58? If not, please do. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
78. here is so what |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
46. I know people who were on the inside of the Dean campaign |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
76. Interesting points, there, deutsy. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. you have a PM.... n/t |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
80. exactly! n/t |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #46 |
158. You got that right!!! |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
172. Let's not overlook Dean campaigned tirelessly for Kerry |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
47. You know who "took down" Dean? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. 37 states had not had their primaries when HD dropped out. |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. I'm outraged at it, yes. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. That is not the point. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. of course it effected the primaries............. |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. And the reason Dean lost Iowa was this 527? |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. So why didn't Dean fight back? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. He didn't "drop out" |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. LOL!!! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
103. "Dropping out" |
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DFLforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Dream on, child |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. So "announced on TV" means it's true?? |
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DFLforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Well, yeah, when it's announced by the guy who organized it.! |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. Uh-huh |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
184. Wrong. The voters in TWO states decided. |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
50. I have a theory but no proof. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #50 |
206. Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner! |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
52. What I want to know is |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. They were |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Oh, yeah...I'm well aware of that |
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Rockerdem (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
131. Good point |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
108. I took comfort in that for awhile too, figuring that if Kerry and |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
58. Center for Public Integrity: Political Mugging in America, March 2004 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Lewis last Dec. even gave us fore knowledge of the GOP groups. |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
61. YYYyyyyyyyeeEEEEAAAAaaaaarrrrrrrrrrGGGGGGGGGGGG!! |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
67. Well, Kerry was in fact more liberal than Dean |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Excuse them, then. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #68 |
85. Dean's vitriol |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
203. Edwards scares me |
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DFLforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Dean was in the rare position of fighting off the Dems and Repukes |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Club For Growth is a pro-tax cut "conservative" group |
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DFLforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. Still I wonder who they were working for in the Dem primaries? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:10 AM Response to Reply #91 |
153. The Republicans didn't want Dean anywhere near the |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:01 AM Response to Reply #70 |
145. All candidates during the primaries were fighting both dems |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. sorry wrong again |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I didn't say a LOT more liberal |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Kerry is not more liberal at all |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. It's not that Kerry is so liberal |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. IWR, NCLB, USAPATRIOT act....Um, wait.... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. and the main difference is... |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. No, the main difference is.... |
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Rockerdem (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:58 AM Response to Reply #102 |
132. In the end, Kerry got no value from voting for Repuke issues |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #132 |
142. You're right, he sold out because he miscalculated. N/T |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #84 |
127. But Kerry is Electable, remember? |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #127 |
143. I love it too. The same toadies who told us to shut up in the primaries.. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #127 |
221. It's also predictable |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #127 |
229. Mister Electable conceded the election before all the votes were counted |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
96. That poster (and you) should prove that negative assertion |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
228. What sort of liberal would vote for a war of aggression and to repress |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
72. Suck on it, Jones... |
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Butterflies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
92. Yyyeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!! |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
73. The absolute disdain and disrespect that people like this have |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. That's what hit me...and that Democrats would do it to their own so early |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
104. I volunteered for him too. Now I'm sorry I did. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
87. Kerry and Gephardt supported this shit... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. They care more about their own power. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
90. I guess theres not point in voting in the primaries. |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. Because it's true. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. This Primary season was all screwed up. NC didn't have a Primary |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
106. Did anyone listen to the question posed to David Jones near the |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
107. kick for the evening crowd |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 08:54 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Janx, I got my husband to view the video.....for about 1 minute. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:03 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Mine could not view it for long either. The reaction was |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. I had to bake mine brownies and fast forward to the Jones part and then |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Next time, put something substantial in the brownies... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:37 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. lol's .....lacing the brownies! didn't think of that.. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
113. so let me get this straight:: |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:19 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. It wasn't just Jones-- |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:28 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Here you go....A Political Mugging from Center for Public Integrity. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #113 |
123. Exactly the point |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:48 AM Response to Reply #113 |
135. That sound about right |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:22 AM Response to Reply #113 |
230. C'mon man, drink some more of that ABB Kool-Aid! |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
117. Saddam's capture took Dean down. That's about it. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. YEAH. SURE. |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:13 AM Response to Reply #117 |
129. Yeah, given that pro-war dems couldn't wait to dis Dean's remark that |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:10 AM Response to Reply #129 |
140. Hey, I think Dean was right but you can temporally mark the day... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #140 |
150. Not for people with brains. Going to Iraq was a huge blunder, |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #150 |
157. You are failing to tease apart the fact that Dean was right but... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #157 |
159. Yes, Dean should have phrased that statement better. In fact he should |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. That combination would have been a good one. BUT-- |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #161 |
177. I get your point, but Bush Saudi cxn aside, we were attacked by OBL |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 12:53 AM Response to Reply #177 |
204. WE have the greatest military on earth. |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #161 |
225. Exactly; it's an admission that we're weak on defense and need |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #140 |
224. Dems contributed to the very war hysteria that made Dean "risky." |
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JohnOneillsMemory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #117 |
174. Dean stated he'd attack the media monopolies so the scream was used |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
134. dirty politics |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:15 AM Response to Reply #134 |
137. Not really, at least when it comes to Dems taking on Bush |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:18 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. good point |
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Edgewater_Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
144. And Yet They Were Caught Off Guard By The Swift Boat Liars?! |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:01 AM Response to Reply #144 |
152. I agree with you on that. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #144 |
232. The swift boat veterans have attacked Kerry in every election he has run |
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Ripley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
156. Why, oh why am I not surprised? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
160. DEAN CAN'T BE BROUGHT DOWN |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
162. Wow, they teamed up on the front runner. They should have just let him |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
163. This shameful episode contributed significantly to Bush's victory |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #163 |
200. Yes, and also because the natural momentum of the campaign |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #200 |
214. Janx! Thanks for saying that! They destroyed the "Natural Big Mo" that |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #200 |
217. I really really hate them for what they did. |
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itzamirakul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
164. What no one mentions... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. The right wingers harbor this fantasy...they can't wait for her |
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itzamirakul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. That's why I can't underrstand why |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #170 |
183. I don't think she's going to run. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #164 |
180. I don't think the Dem party wanted to be out in the wilderness 4 more |
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RealLiberal4U (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
165. And You Are Suprised...? |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #165 |
222. Not surprised at all |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
167. OOPS! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
175. Ever since Jones said this, the attacks here on Dean have grown. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #175 |
178. Yep, I'm a hair's breath away from saying "fuck it" |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #175 |
193. And...the point was it was our OWN DEMS...EATING OUR OWN! That's |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. The libertarians? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #193 |
234. This Socialist supported Dean and Kucinich |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:28 AM Response to Reply #175 |
233. The same cast of characters |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
176. Well if Kerry was involved in taking down Dean then Dean |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #176 |
190. Darned tootin' |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #176 |
191. The two are hardly comparable. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #191 |
211. yup and too see people support that action after spending so many |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #211 |
216. It's not hypocritical because it's not the same |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #216 |
219. Well, let's see. That plus Clinton's calls....and the abortion stuff.. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 12:24 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. It's hard for some people to come to grips with the corruption. n/t |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 02:27 AM Response to Reply #219 |
239. Clue me in... |
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ProudToBeLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #176 |
197. yeeeeaaaarrrggggghhhhhhhhhhh |
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ever_green (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 04:04 AM Response to Reply #197 |
209. lol |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #176 |
218. And good for him!! As a candiate, Kerry sucked and it's time we admit it. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 02:22 AM Response to Reply #176 |
238. You know, |
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Mike L (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
227. Your post also says this is why they "took him down": |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:23 AM Response to Reply #227 |
231. I think Gep should be DNC chair...why isn't he running? |
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Bush was AWOL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
235. Awww, poor Dean! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #235 |
236. LOL LOL I am laughing. |
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Bush was AWOL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #236 |
237. I don't see what the big deal is... |
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