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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:35 AM
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Kerik - Is the "hired an illegal" just a "dog ate homework" type excuse...
...to try to avoid media coverage of a REAL scandal?

Would the American people really reject someone (a Bush handpick, no less) solely on the basis that they had hired a gardener or nanny that did not have proper status?

I think this Keirk has something (or things) MUCH bigger, MUCH more damaging in his background that he does not want aired, so he just regurgitated the standard "dog ate my illegal help" excuse to avoid scrutiny.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:42 AM
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1. I read somewhere that Kerik made millions off of 9/11 and I'm
sure that had more to do with him bowing out than his stated excuse. he damn sure doesn't want people snooping into that.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:42 AM
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2. Insider Trading and an 4 Million in his pocket might be the reason
The was reported in the media. You can find it on Friday at democracynow.org. They reported the story on the air. Apparently just prior to a report coming out in the NYTimes about the Tasers not being as safe as they were purported to be, he dumped his stock.

I'd love to be a guy who never graduated high school pulling down 4 million.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:03 AM
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8. And a prior scandal at Riker's Island.
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:40 PM
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20. BANG!

That's the story that the press missed. With this administration's track record on nest-feathering, you'd think that this angle would have had legs.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:43 AM
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3. I thought that was pretty lame too...in light of the Cheney/Halliburton
crap...
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:44 AM
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4. Yeah, I call bullshit
That was my first reaction too when I heard it. Like anyone is really going to make an issue of him hiring an illegal with all the other shit they've let this illegitimate administration get away with.


HA! 'dog ate my illegal help' *snarf*

-chef-

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:48 AM
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5. He's got an open arrest warrant
"Kerik, who recently made millions in the private sector, once filed for personal bankruptcy as a New York cop. And just five years ago he was in financial trouble over a condominium he owned in New Jersey. More serious trouble than anyone realized: NEWSWEEK has discovered that a New Jersey judge in 1998 had issued an arrest warrant as part of a convoluted series of lawsuits relating to unpaid bills on his condo. The magazine faxed documents, including the arrest warrant, over to the White House around 6:00 p.m. Friday, asking for comment. Neither Kerik nor the White House had any immediate response. At 8:30 p.m., Kerik had submitted his letter to the president. "

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6697161/site/newsweek/
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:54 AM
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6. Calling Ken Starr, we got a hot one!
Maybe Kenny Boy Starr would like the opportunity to follow another scandal, eh?
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:57 AM
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7. well DUH! And the media lets them get away with this shit
which is what really pisses me off.

The guy's a douchebag.
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:53 AM
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13. How is the media letting them get away with this?
They've been all over this guy for the past week and are still digging around on him. Their coverage is largely responsible for his downfall. This is one of the rare instances in which they seem to actually be doing their job.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:58 PM
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16. no, every headline reads "nanny problem"
and only if you dig will you see that this is an excuse.

The AP is especially bad about this.

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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:16 PM
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21. EVERY headline? You're not paying attention . . .
CBS: More Problems Loomed For Kerik

It appears there was a lot more behind Bernard Kerik's withdrawal as a candidate for homeland security chief than nanny taxes.

Two hours before Kerik quit, Newsweek reports it faxed the White House with questions about an arrest warrant issued in a 1998 lawsuit relating to Kerik's New Jersey condo.

The day before the nomination unraveled, New York Newsday reported Kerik was forced to testify in a lawsuit relating to an affair he allegedly had with a subordinate while New York City Corrections Commissioner.

The New York Daily News cites questions about thousands of dollars in cash and gifts the paper says Kerik didn't disclose when he was New York City Police and Corrections Commissioner.

http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstories_story_347195449.html

NY Daily News: News finds Kerik in cash conflict

Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik accepted thousands of dollars in cash and gifts without making proper public disclosures, a Daily News investigation has revealed.

Kerik failed to report the gifts on financial disclosure forms he was required to file with the city as head of the both the NYPD and, before that, the Department of Correction.

The revelations come in the wake of Kerik's stunning announcement Friday night that he was withdrawing his nomination as President Bush's secretary of homeland security.

Kerik maintained yesterday that he pulled out on his own after discovering he may have failed to pay required taxes on behalf of a nanny whose immigration status was uncertain. However, his announcement came after a week of intense media scrutiny into his business and private life.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/krnewyork/20041212/lo_krnewyork/newsfindskerikincashconflict

Few insiders believe Kerik's troubles end with nanny issue.
---Newsweek tease on MSNBC homepage

Newsweek: A Tough Guy Tumbles
Within three days, Kerik was done for, compelled to withdraw his name as Homeland Security czar. For the record, the proximate cause was a nanny problem: in going over his financial records, Kerik informed the White House, he had discovered that his housekeeper/nanny appeared to be an illegal immigrant and that he had failed to pay all the necessary taxes for her. Since the Homeland Security Department runs the U.S. immigration agencies, it wouldn't do to have the secretary employing illegal aliens.

But few Washington or New York insiders believed that Kerik's problems stopped there. On his way up, Kerik had shown an inclination to make his own rules, and he had made some powerful enemies. The very qualities that appealed to President Bush—a willingness to get things done, and damn the naysayers—were bound to come back to haunt Kerik, especially in the equally vicious worlds of the New York glitterati and the Washington bureaucracy.

Consider, for instance, Kerik's relationship with Judith Regan. A flamboyant, stiletto-heeled—and highly successful—book publisher, Regan published Kerik's sensational memoir, which begins with the scene of Kerik's mother, a prostitute, murdered in her pimp's bed. Occasional workout partners, Kerik and Regan became close friends. But their relationship soured, and Regan told friends Kerik had hounded her, and that she hired a bodyguard. Kerik's lawyer confirmed that Regan and Kerik were friends, but says "there was nothing untoward about their relationship." The lawyer called the allegation that Kerik had hounded her "absurd."
. . .
Kerik's somewhat cavalier attitude is best captured by his time in Iraq. After the invasion in the spring of 2003, Kerik was sent to Baghdad to organize the Iraqi police. But Kerik didn't seem to show much interest in Iraqis, said a senior U.S. official who worked with him. He appeared to enjoy going on night raids against "bad guys" with some South African mercenaries who were serving as bodyguards to U.S. officials. On his screen saver, Kerik had a photo of a big house he had just bought in New Jersey that he said was across the street from former New York Giants quarterback Phil Simms's. Kerik told his colleagues he planned to be in Baghdad for three months while the house was undergoing renovations. "So," the official says he told Kerik, "you're here because you needed a place to go while they're doing renovations on your house." Kerik grinned and cocked a finger as if to say, "You got it." A spokesman for Kerik said that story was "absurd" and that Kerik was a patriot.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6700947/site/newsweek/


CNN: Nomination process questioned after Kerik withdraws

Lawmakers debated White House culpability Sunday in the doomed nomination of Bernard Kerik as Homeland Security secretary, asking why the administration failed to find critical information in its vetting process before officially selecting him . . .

Kerik withdrew his name from consideration Friday night, saying he discovered someone he had employed as a nanny and housekeeper had questionable immigration status. He insisted the White House had not erred in its vetting process, but that he found the problem during a "deeper, closer" look at his background in preparation for confirmation . . .

But that was not the only factor from Kerik's past that called his fitness for the office into question.

In the days after the selection was announced, news broke on other fronts that could have made for a grueling Senate confirmation hearing, including business dealings that were called into question and accusations that he misused resources while head of the New York Police Department.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/12/kerik.fallout/index.html

This is clearly not a case of the press going easy on Kerik or being complicit in his bull story. The media usually falls down on the job. We should give them credit when they do their job, as they've done in this instance.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:18 AM
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9. and why did the nanny leave the country 2 weeks ago?
Who got rid of her? And how?
I wondered the same thing about the nanny story. There might be something far more serious we don't know about. When you think of all the charges hovering around against Bush officials, I wonder why this in particular led to the undoing of an appointee?
I'd still like to know what happened to the nanny. The NY Times said she left the country two weeks ago. I wonder what the circumstances of that were?
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:36 AM
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10. Oh now that is interesting. I didn't know that she just left the country
two weeks ago. I bet this isn't completely about taxes unless they thought that this wasn't going to be a problem but wanted to tie up loose ends. Curiouser and curiouser.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:32 AM
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12. Link to info on nanny's departure
Here is an excerpt and link to the Times piece that mentions the nanny's leaving the US.


Kerik's Position Was Untenable, Bush Aide Says
By ELISABETH BUMILLER and ERIC LIPTON

Published: December 12, 2004 The New York Times

"The nanny Mr. Kerik had employed, who has not yet been identified, left the country about two weeks ago, just prior to the announcement of his nomination, a former New York City official said on Saturday, adding that her departure had been planned for at least two months."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/politics/12kerik.html?hp&ex=1102914000&en=0d3204c719c9e91e&ei=5094&partner=homepage


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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:44 AM
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11. absolutely smells that way to me ... smarmysmirk is SO uninformed
that he just reads whatever the hell script is put in front of him -- the more extreme conservative, the more likely they got their hands in the cookie jar and in somebody's pants -- poster children for the highest forms of cognitive dissonance and dissociative personality diseases
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:16 AM
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14. Yes and no,
as a law enforcement officer, and certainly alive during the Chavez nanny incident, he had to know that not paying FICA, FUTA, SUTA and Medicare, as well as Worker's Compensation is illegal.

Yes, there were other issues, Tazers...hmmm, using public employees as personal employess...hmmm, lawsuits...hmmm, arrest warrants...hmmm, not fulfilling his Iraq stint...hmmm. List could go on.

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:43 AM
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15. according to talking heads yesterday
this seems to be the speculation

meanwhile -- after "standing behind Kerick" -- bush* shoves him off the cliff ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1064446&mesg_id=1064446

members of the bush* choir were denying knowledge of "other problems" which may cause some broohaha during confirmation hearings and repeated the chorus "...has the support of the pResident..."

with the media lapdogs waiting for bisquits -- it seems to me if nanny-housekeeper issue were the ONLY "problem" that the bush*ies would have been able to spin this into a reason for pushing the "guest worker visas"

Instead they shoved Kerick over a cliff -- so what's the REAL reason for his withdrawal?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:01 PM
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17. "hired an illegal" is pretty big scandal actually.
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 01:03 PM by w4rma
It ticks off conservatives and liberals alike (not the Wall Street kind, but the regular everyday conservatives and liberals).

That said, I read somewhere he had ties to the Saudis (and he was going to be head of the Fatherland Security) from when he acted as a bodyguard for a major Saudi royal.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:12 PM
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18. However Big the Nanny Problem, He Has a SLEW of Bigger Problems
The Shrubbites have sold themselves to gullible Dittoheads on TWO main points: 1) That only they can make us secure, 2) that 9-11 confers automatic "heroism" (FREE PASS for anything) on anybody connected with it.

KERIK embodied, just as much as Shrub and GUILIANI, both of these pillars and just happened to collapse more obviously because of being unable to get out from underneath his baggage. The two pillars are made of sand.

What was "heroic" about Shrub-GUILIANI-KERIK at 9-11? They just happened to be in power when it happened. If anything, they should have reaped "finger-pointing". KERIK was stepping out of the shower when the planes hit and joined GUILIANI walking up some streets coated in powder. Shrub showed up days later with his cheerleading megaphone atop a pile of bodies, after days when the people were stunned by the absence of leadership. So much for "heroism".

But the Shrubbites have managed to doublespeak 9-11 into permission and adulation for anything, meaning their arrogance in acting like they can do anything they want. Leading to their sloppiness (arrogance) in screwing up the vetting on KERIK, which, by the way, was the poor performance of Alberto GONZALEZ's shop, another screw-up waiting to happen (GONZALEZ, that is).

This brings us back to "security". The Shrubbites can't VET for the same reason they can't manage "security": Because they only hear what they WANT to hear.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:17 PM
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19. Excellent point, NAO !
Sort of like resigning for "family reasons". The real reason is something other than a "nanny" problem.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:12 PM
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22. He has ties to the MAFIA! THAT is the BIG story.
:hi:
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cyn2 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:55 PM
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23. yup....lots more crud on Kerik.
Check out Rawstory.com for some juicy tidbits, also Josh Marshall at talkingpointsmemo.com has explored Kirik's failure in Iraq.
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