NO wmd. NO ties to 911 attacks. NO ties to al Qaeda. NO world support.

[LynnTheDem]

So it all boils down to bush rushing our troops, without enough ammo, without enough rifles, without enough bullet-proof vests, without enough up-armored vehicles, without enough food & water, without enough vital equipment parts & night vision goggles and scopes and boots on the ground, to wage LAST RESORT PREEMPTIVE STRIKE to SPREAD DEMOCRACY BY INVASION & OCCUPATION.

Only severely twisted idiots would support such an insanity.

Which, of course, is why the entire world said & say no to bush's bullshit and the rightwingnuts said & say yes.

[cornermouse]

1. And if it was just the right wingnuts' children who

were going to Iraq, I wouldn't care. Unfortunately for the rest of us, they plan to force our children to go and die there as well.

[jdots]

2. the whole world doesn't watch t.v. 8 hours a day

or listen to American hate radio,not to say we are an ignorant country,just one that is being entertained to death.The right wing is agaisnt education,it is as simple as that.They have huge corporations not paying taxes,the wealthy have become foolish anti liberal education specialists.Banning books leads to burning books which is just around the corner.

[Moni74]

3. I wish "entire world" were true...

<<Which, of course, is why the entire world said & say no to bush's bullshit>>

Unfortunately there have been a few other leaders, most of them against the will of their constituents (and some thankfully have been served the bill already - a sorely needed sign that democracy still works in some places ;)) who for whatever personal, higher or lower reason rode this wave with Bush.

For Europe, it can not be underestimated what role Mr. Blair played in attempting to give Bush's lunacy some resembling of legitimacy. Used to be I admired Blair and the politics he stood for. Ever since the 45-minutes-scam, he's become bottom of the barrel to me.

[LynnTheDem]

4. Some LEADERS support bush, but their OWN CITIZENS do not.

NO NATION on the entire planet had a population that was pro-invasion.

Even in the UK the MAJORITY OPPOSED bush's bullshit invasion.

The MAJORITY of the UK opposed bush's "re"-election.

Tony the bLiar has ALWAYS been a lying slimeball, btw. I don't know why so many Americans thought (think) he's the cat's pyjamas...the Brits never have. Guess you have to live under the bastard to realize what a bastard he is.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. I realized that he wasn't what I assumed he was when I heard him squirming

over the WMD issue... and all the rest in front of Parliament. Much of what he asserted was "in fact" (if I may use one of his favorite phrases.... BS.

[Moni74]

10. That's why I said...

<<NO NATION on the entire planet had a population that was pro-invasion.

Even in the UK the MAJORITY OPPOSED bush's bullshit invasion.>>

That's why I said leaders and spoke of their constituents serving them the bill (the Spanish did, the British will have the chance, too).

<<Tony the bLiar has ALWAYS been a lying slimeball, btw. don't know why so many Americans thought (think) he's the cat's pyjamas..>>

I'm German, not American. I still thought he gave a good picture at first. Maybe because he seemed to be so refreshing after people like John Major and *gasp* Margaret Thatcher ;)

Imho, the reason why a lot of Americans like/liked him so well was because he went after the Bush-Piper when in a lot of other parts of this world, anti-Americanism became "presentable" again.

[newyawker99]

11. Hi Moni74!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Moni74]

12. Hi and thank you ma'am!

:toast:

Right back atcha.
Mmmmh. Beer. :)

[Brundle_Fly]

5. well since you put it THHHAAAAAT way...

FUCK THESE BOZO'S

The media merrily pipers the new message of the month. What will it be after the great election disaster in Jan?

We were all too lucky that we were there, in time to stop Iraqi's trying to create a fraudulent Iranian democracy, that would have imposed a fake democracy, in course, leading to an evil dictatorship, which in effect could be leading to a country that might possibly try to develop a WMD related program in just a few decades, that would maybe perhaps target, some, if not all US interests, leading to a new very costly pre-emptive US strike, Affording the future generations of Americans high deficits, while we are just trying to spread our justice of democracy....and eventually damaging social security, which is already in far too much danger.

spinning the spin

When will it end...

[LynnTheDem]

6. The media is why 60% of bush supporters are so ignorant

And aside from the tens of thousands of people dying for the total rightwingnut ignorance, it's damned EMBARRASSING that school kids in India know more FACTS than the majority of Americans who voted for bush.

The entire world knows that half the people in America are illiterate deeply ignorant morons.

I hope those 60% stupid rightwingnuts fully realize just how much blood is on their souls when they do find out how bush duped the crap out of them. No spin will wash that away.

[JI7]

8. well, most people who voted for him think we DID find wmd

they think Saddam WAS involved in the 9/11 attacks and they think we have the support of most of the world in the iraq war.

and this is like 80 percent or more of those who voted for Bush who believe this.

with the news coming out now, so far it seems they STILL believe what they did and they think the soldiers are lying or it's all some conspiracy or some other thing.

[LynnTheDem]

9. dumbest people on the face of the planet; bush supporters

60% of bush supporters think Iraq did 911, think Iraq had WMD, think we found WMD in Iraq, think Iraq had ties to al Qaeda, think the world supported bush's invasion & occupation.

Those 60% are, of course, dead wrong.

PIPA POLL: Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Lies

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Report10_21_04.pdf

And the majority of bush's supporters don't even know what bush supports.

75% believe Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda.

FALSE.

74% believe Bush favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade.

FALSE.

72% believe Iraq had WMD or a program to develop them.

FALSE.

72% believe Bush supports the treaty banning landmines.

FALSE.

69% believe Bush supports the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

FALSE.

61% believe if Bush knew there were no WMD he would not have gone to war.

FALSE.

60% believe most experts believe Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda.

FALSE.

58% believe the Duelfer report concluded that Iraq had either WMD or a major program to develop them.

FALSE.

57% believe that the majority of people in the world would prefer to see Bush reelected.

FALSE.

56% believe most experts think Iraq had WMD.

FALSE.

55% believe the 9/11 report concluded Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda.

FALSE.

51% believe Bush supports the Kyoto treaty.

FALSE.

20% believe Iraq was directly involved in 9/11.

FALSE.

bush supporters are as dumb as frigging dirt. But add in this little FACT; bush supporters MISTAKENLY believe bush supports issues THAT WE DEMS DO ACTUALLY SUPPORT! These bush supporters are REALLY DEMS and they're TOO STUPID to know it! rotflmao!!!

[CatWoman]

13. a relevant post from Daily Kos

Friedman still doesn't get it. No one, but no one, trusts the Bush Administration on anything. BushCo is malevolent, untrustworthy and incompetent. Consider for a moment the risks involved in cooperating with BushCo? They remain as high as ever. Especially in the surroundings of a controversial election that is sure to fuel considerable violence. And what are the potential rewards? A successful election in Iraq? And this guarantees what exactly?

Kerry said it during the Election, and people dismissed it, but it was true. Kerry could have done things Bush can't do. We have no friends. We have no respect. We have no influence. Again, has Friedman slept through the past two years?

that's in response to Friedman's musings:

Is it so much to ask that each NATO country contribute 100 soldiers for a long weekend to advance the prospect of Iraqi elections? Heck, I'll throw in the air fare myself. I have so many frequent-flier miles, I could even fly over a few hundred soldiers from European Union countries that aren't in NATO.

Wait a minute, did I say European Union? Do you know how many trees have been cut down to publish studies about the European Defense Initiative - the E.U.'s quest to build a military force independent of NATO and America? Whole forests have been devoted to studies of E.D.I. So I was thinking: What does E.D.I. stand for today, if not for sending 500 E.U. soldiers to Iraq for a long weekend so that Iraqis might begin to create the first real bottom-up democracy in the Arab League?

Wait a minute, did I say Arab League? The Arab League has been sniping at the U.S. from the minute it toppled Saddam's tyranny, constantly barking that the Iraqi government there was not representative. Well now we're trying to help elect one that would be the most representative in the Arab world, and what is the Arab League doing? Virtually nothing. Why couldn't it offer to send some Arab and Muslim soldiers to protect polling places in the Sunni towns of Iraq?

http://dailykos.com/story/2004/12/11/222931/00

[chaumont58]

14. Friedman's column is 100 percent bizarre

He's done this before, advocated European participation in the Iraqi debacle. What befuddles me, is wondering if he is this dumb, or just totally uncaring about the lives that would be lost. Any European coutry that sends troops to Iraq, however small the number is sending a certain number of them to their deaths. That is sure as the sun coming up tomorrow. Their governments might as well paint concentric red circles on thier backs. They are targets.
Friedman is, I think, one of these armchair strategists who sees not people dying, but just the movement of numbers on a board.
What's also sad is this man(sic) is given a forum at the New York Times, America's paper of record(? sic).