A warning found in the street today.

[lthuedk]

I found some disturbing evidence in the road today on my bike ride. First, let me say that a few days ago I saw helicopter gunships cruising over March Air force Base in Moreno Valley, Ca. They were firing .50 cal machine guns. Today, I found a spent round -on-the-highway- near the base. The round is not a crimped blank casing. It is the real deal.

What I want to know is why is there such heavy weaponry being discharged in an dense urban center from an air force base which had nearly shut down until the Bush coup.

I know something about ballistics and the .50 caliber round has a range of several miles. Further, March AFB has heavily armed personnel behind concrete and razor wire barricades at all of it's entrances. I wonder what is going on at other bases around the country. This is not normal prepping for military training-particularly in an urban setting. Armament of this type is Fort Ord ordinance.

Remember Der Fuhrer's famous words: "You're either with us, or against us."

[bahrbearian]

1. Like you said Urban setting , practicing for Urban warfare

I assume Moreno Valley is a blue district.

[LiberalSoutherner]

5. Military helicopters

have been flying over New Orleans the past couple of weeks. They are flying at a low level, shining spotlights on the streets. This is supposed to be a training exercise for Homeland Security. It seems more like training to supress the population to me.

[bahrbearian]

9. Didn't New Orleans tilt blue ?

[LiberalSoutherner]

11. Yep

in a big way too.

[pacalo]

10. Hi, LiberalSoutherner!

:hi: Welcome to DU!

I live just outside of New Orleans. Glad to have you on board! :)

[LiberalSoutherner]

13. Thanks 8 Year

And I hope your nickname is incorrect. (at least I CAN hope)

[pacalo]

29. So do I!

If there's any justice left in this country, I hope to be changing it to "Nightmare_Over". ;)

[Hippo_Tron]

24. I heard those helicopters a few nights ago...

I think that more likely they are training for the invasion of Iran or Syria rather than to take over US cities.

[Desert Liberal]

38. 1984?

My God...1984 anyone? I am disturbed by many things I see happening around the country. I am even more greatly disturbed by some of the things I see here in my town. What the hell has happened to our country? How long until 'they' start dragging us Liberals and Dems out of our houses in the dead of night?


How long before the Thought Police become a reality?

[newyawker99]

45. Hi aundria75!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Desert Liberal]

48. Thanks!

It is great to be here. Still in shock about 4 more years and I'm trying like hell to figure out what to do about it. Reading everything I can get my hands on. Educating myself so that I can educate others...
Don't have very many people here at home to bounce ideas off of. I work with a whole butt-load of Repubs in a whole frikkin' SEA of Red in the Midwest. I know 48% in my state voted for Kerry but I'll be damned if I can find more than three or four of them around here.
I guess I'm just trying not to feel so alone. I know there ARE other people out there who think like me.
Jeez, look at me. I talk WAYYYY too much! lol I'm just glad to be here. Glad to be seeing a couple of new viewpoints. It's refreshing to find others who feel as strongly as I do and actually THINK about what they see and hear around them.
So many seem deaf and blind.
Anyway, glad to be here. Thanks for the welcome. See you around the boards!

[newyawker99]

44. Hi LiberalSoutherner!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[donheld]

49. Welcome to DU

[lthuedk]

15. California is blue, the county is heavy red.

[bahrbearian]

18. They must have been aiming at another county .

[SoCalDem]

31. MV is VERY RED

:(

[impeach the gop]

2. just some good old umerkin nra bubba or bubbett

doing the lords works in case they get that HUAC
thing passed. they got to be defending the Constitution
against the reality based liberals ya know. Hell wouldn't
be doing their duty if they didn't kill someone that might
think for themselves. Nope wouldn't be umerkin.

[shraby]

3. About a month ago in New Jersey

a jet shot live rounds into the roof of a school. I'll see if I can find a link to the story.

<http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=104&sid=321183>

<http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=227410>

<http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/wcbskyw_story_310172637.html>

[NYC]

8. Please look for the link.

I never heard about that. Thanks. :hi:

[bahrbearian]

12. Yeah, So What ! it was on a weekend and school was closed .

[Starlight]

17. You're joking, right? You don't really think it's ok to shoot holes in

a school, right?

[bahrbearian]

19. I'm sorry , I thought it was obvious sarcasm.

but what the hell why not on weekends?

[NV Whino]

21. Wasn't live rounds

But no matter. Shouldn't have happened.

[Starlight]

27. Live or not, they made holes in the roof of the school!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/04/national/main653804.shtml

Police Chief Mark Siino said officers who responded noticed punctures in the roof. Ceiling tiles had fallen into classrooms, and there were scratch marks in the asphalt outside.

And the school wasn't empty, either. The custodian heard something hitting the roof & called the police.

[FlaGranny]

30. No matter? What about the

surrounding homes with people asleep in their beds?

[henslee]

4. Fill out a police report. After that E. coast grade school was strafed

last month (Jersey, right?) these matters are taken very seriously. Frankly, I think it could be ineptitude or foolishness could be at the root of this just as easily as any other tin foil causes.

[Karenina]

23. Don't have a cow, man!

They're just dumping old inventory so they can sign a new contract for some new improved versions.

[henslee]

26. Can't read your tone. You are being facetious, right?

[babylonsister]

36. Don't have a cow?

My gosh, does THAT bring back memories! LOL!

[UL_Approved]

6. We have had military aircraft about yesterday in Bozeman, MT

Where I live, our main law enforcement headquarters is only 1-2 blocks away. Yesterday, several flights from helicopters were taken to and from the helipad that is behind the structure. There were at least 2 helicopters simultaneously in flight. I found this odd, but now I find it suspicious. Watch out, and get into cryptographic software usage if things get too suspicious for you.

WASTE:

http://waste.sourceforge.net/

ENTROPY network

http://entropy.stop1984.com/en/home.html

[bahrbearian]

14. They were just showing Canada our militarty might in case

they don't help on Star Wars.

[democratic wing]

41. Cryptography

Thanks,but no thanks. I still believe in and practice freedom of speech and other "quaint" concepts.

[idiosyncratic]

7. And on the east coast they are shooting up school buildings . . .

YIKES. I just drove through Moreno Valley a couple of weeks ago.

[pilgrimsoul]

16. Sounds like...

they are preparing for martial law if the election fraud lockdown blows wide open when Arnebeck files his lawsuit. I have no doubt these guys wouldn't hesitate to shoot people to quell public outrage. Note they've already started calling election fraud protesters "dissidents" in news articles. Before long, it'll be "round up the usual suspects." Yeah, we're free alright. <shakes head in disgust>

[lthuedk]

20. March AFB has an extensive officer's housing complex thats

located in the middle of the barracaded property. Could it be these will be used as one of many Gitmos for unruly Americans?

[SoCalDem]

32. I reported here....Months ago.. that the old housing (enlisted)

at Arnold Heights...(long abandoned) was being used by the Marines for house-to-house combat...rumor had it that it was training for the philippines :shrug:

They have been there for months since the whole housing center was due for demolition anyway...it made a good place to train..

It's heavily guarded 24/7 and lit up like a baseball field at night..
There is also a lot of heavy equipment moving dirt around.

[bush_is_wacko]

39. Why does dissident have such

a bad connotation?


Webster's Dictionary says;
1. a person who dissents
2. disagreeing or disenting, ain opinion or attitude.

So call me a dissident! I disagree w/ everything this administration stands for!

[Liberty Belle]

25. Where did they use the term dissidents?

I hadn't seen that. Can you provide links to the articles?

[idiosyncratic]

28. Google is your friend. Look at the articles I found.

Dissident Search

ABC News

Ohio.com


Another way to use the language to distance people from those doing the right thing from the "Right's way of doing things."

[Bouncy Ball]

35. Ha!

Who's gonna protest? Public outrage? Where? I'd love to see it, but I don't.

[democratic wing]

40. Posse Comitatus

Iraq is just a training exercise for what could be done here. SCOTUS wants to do away with the Posse Comitatus law and use the military for domestic purposes.

Read more here:

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20712/

"Regardless of the controversies and power struggles over the National Security Letters, Bush's Pentagon is sending U.S. military intelligent agents on domestic fishing expeditions. This past February, two U.S. Army intelligence agents descended upon the University of Texas law school in Austin. They entered the office of the Journal of Women and the Law and demanded that the editors turn over a roster of the people who attended a recent conference on Islam and women. The editors denied having a list; the behavior of one agent was described as intimidating. The agents then demanded contact information for the student who organized the conference, Sahar Aziz. University of Texas law professor Douglas Laycock commented, “We certainly hope that the Army doesn’t believe that attending a conference on Islamic law or Islam and women is itself ground for investigation.”

[democratic wing]

42. POTUS,not Supremes...sheesh

[lthuedk]

22. I just talked to the news desk at the Press Enterprise and they're

passing it on to the editor.

[Mike L]

33. Repukes will keep some conflict in the making so the people will "need"

them to be safe.

[TrustingDog]

34. black helicopters in Austin, Texas and area.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16977

dogpiled and got this 1999 article, but this happened a couple months ago as well.

[babylonsister]

37. I live near an ANG base

with a small PX where we buy smokes, etc. We now have to show ID for everyone in the vehicle, but the folks in uniform with guns are no longer present. And there's a definite upswing in activity there, planes included, but we've always seen them around here.

[slowroll]

43. OK, hate to be that guy.

But this sounds funny. Did you actually see helicopters firing .50 cal rounds? What kind of helicopters?

I'm just suspicious because March is a pretty small base and I don't see them having a gunnery range there. I can't find anything on google about a gunnery range at March. Max range on a .50 is 4.22 miles, and they don't get fired except on very tightly controlled gunnery ranges way the hell away from everything and everyone. March ARB is only about 2,200 acres. I spent 8 years in the military, during part of which I sometimes dealt with range operations. There are much bigger bases than March that are considered far too small to fire that large a caliber on. I find it exceptionally hard to believe anyone's shooting live .50s in that area.

If you found an empty .50 round it's probably from a civilian shooter. What does it say on the back of the cartridge?

[NVMojo]

46. I am thinking our nephew, marine, was kept there prior to departing

for Iraq???

[GarySeven]

47. The government has spent billions on new crowd control technologies

including a microwave "heat ray" that will cook your insides; sound projectors, etc. There is no justification for this expenditure - done, BTW, out of public oversight with a one-party congress - EXCEPT for the eventual rounding up of all people labeled "threats" under the Patriot Act - that is to say every liberal and non-Christian in this country.

[Doctor_J]

50. I don't see any reason for them to use force here...

they've already won, with minimal bloodshed. The elections are rigged, the media only reports WH and other ultra-rw propaganda, we'll all pay our taxes in April, and no one can touch them on any of their increasingly overt crimes. No need for them to wake the sleeping dog that is the American electorate.