For those of you who want to see tonight's "Controversial" Dean Speech

[ShaneGR]

Go to www.CNN.com and click "Dean thanks Rivals" in the primary section (Middle bottom)and a window pops up with selections to the right, one of which is labled "DEAN WILL NOT GIVE UP".

Watch the "DEAN WILL NOT GIVE UP" video and post your thoughts here.

I felt he was a bit out of control, but that's just me.

[slinkerwink]

1. hey, can you stop bashing him, please?

:shrug:

[WillyT]

4. Apparently, He Can't !!! --- And It May Come Back In Spades !!!

:grr:

[ShaneGR]

14. A bash is an attack, all I'm presenting is a video of the candidate

Nothing more, nothing less.

[WillyT]

16. Really ??? --- Then Why Is It So Similar To Your Locked One Before ???

Nice try.

:mad:

Forgot to provide link to locked thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=141954

Pay particular attention to the last two posts!

[ShaneGR]

30. This is a video, if providing link to video isn't allowed

I'd be shocked. The video speaks for itself.

[WillyT]

32. No... You're Right...

And if you had posted the original thread (the one that was locked) saying, "Hey, is it me, or does Dean seem like he's losin it here."

Ya might, maybe not, but just MIGHT make it seem like you weren't being inflammatory. But hey, now you're just trying to get the second bite at the apple, ya know???

:shrug:

[ShaneGR]

33. Willy, nothing personal

Seriously, I'm glad to see people backing a candidate. But, this is the GD Primary forum, and the other thread wasn't locked because of something I did. It was locked because of the responses contained within it and the fact that I didn't provide a link to the video.

Because we are selecting the person to represent us against George W Bush it does not make any sense to cover up any material, video, etc. I'm sorry it's been a tough day, but it's not my fault.

[WillyT]

37. "It was locked because of the responses contained within it and...

the fact that I didn't provide a link to the video."

Um... Isn't that first part the definition of 'flame-bait', LOL!!!

About the video... :shrug:

Hey, nothing personal here either, just a bit raw, ya know???

Peace!

[ShaneGR]

42. It's cool

At least after the primaries we can flame GWB instead of ourselves!

I cherish the thought of that day!

[oxymoron]

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nevermind

[WillyT]

2. Riiiiggghhhtt...

:hurts:

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[WillyT]

28. First...I Mentioned The Fact That The First Thread Had Been Locked...

over this. You were'nt paying attention???

Second, Skinner was warning about 'gloating jerks', so I gave a friendly warning.

Third, if you're a Clark supporter, ya might want to NOT fuck with the Karma Gods. They don't take to kindly to this sort of thing.

Fourth... Well, hell... I'd just get banned for that.

Bye now. :hi:

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Karma G-Ds?

Are those Dean Karma G-DS? :eyes:

[Ohio Dem]

3. Yeah, maybe a little.

I didn't think it was out of character for him, though. And I'm not saying that as a necessarily bad thing, although it didn't do much for me personally.

[Clark Can WIN]

9. It certainly was a stark contrast to Edwards and Kerry's speaches

Very, very different.

[clarknyc]

5. Give it a rest.

Please, can you say something for the candidate that you support?

[Name removed]

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[elperromagico]

7. Okay, okay.

I think the point has been made.

[wtmusic]

8. Dean's speech was not as good as any of the other three

And it hurts to admit it.

I still believe in Dean, I still think he is the best candidate. But he is not as polished delivering a speech. And that is a very important part of campaigning.

His focus has gotten off track. It has gotten to be more about winning than about what got him to where he is--issues.

He will come back because he (and Joe Trippi) are too smart not to see it.

[TheDonkey]

10. I like Dean, but this speech was him imploding on stage

he is falling apart it was depressing.

I thank Dean for all he has done this campaign. It's crazy that EVERY canidate has used lines Dean has coined and made popular.

[NashVegas]

11. He Needs to Back off the Mic

They all get to shouting at some point. Shouting doesn't sound as much like sounding when you're not distorting the moc.

[Fleshdancer]

12. Now that I've seen it, so many people here over exaggerated

From reading the posts on other threads, I assumed he would be beet red, foaming at the mouth, and growing horns. People here are so ridiculous some times.

I've seen more "out of control" speeches from coaches giving pep talks during half-time. :eyes:

[kentuck]

19. I agree. Although it was a very passionate speech...

it was not the out-of -control tantrum that was characterized by some of his detractors and will characterized the same on right-wing radio tomorrow. He felt he needed to fire up his supporters because he knew they were down from his 3rd place finish. I think it may have worked.

[hellhathnofury]

20. He appears to be happy.

Now we've got some running room.

[dusty64]

13. I heard none of the

"screaming and ranting" that everyone was talking about. He seemed upbeat and positive and said nothing negative about anyone. I guess you can't believe everything you read around here. What was the big deal?

[Jerseycoa]

21. Is his face always purple like that? nt

[KittyWampus]

15. My Sympathy To Howard Dean. His Handlers Failed Him Tonight BIG TIME!

[WillyT]

22. Please, Tell Us More Of Your Deep Concern for Dean !!!

I'm lovin the support I'm seeing here tonight.

More please...

[jonnyblitz]

25. classy crowd eh?

:puke:

[KittyWampus]

31. Excuse Me? I Haven't Said One Unkind Word About Dean Tonight

[WillyT]

34. Hey, If Your Intentions Were Good, Then I Apololgize, But...

some of us Dean supporters have seen a number of posts mocking the finishing position of Dean in tonight's caucuses. I have seen almost none of this from any candidate's supporters, except one. And I don't hold that candidate accountable for his supporter's actions......YET!!!

So... if you REALLY think Dean's advisors let him down, please expand on that theme. That way we know you're not just piling on, or kicking a good man when he may be down.

See... some of us are confused. And next Tuesday, as we have seen from tonight, ANYTHING can happen. And I'm gonna be a whole lot nicer here then, than I'm seein here now. I hope!

:shrug:

[beaconess]

40. My favorite part was watching Tom Harkin watching Dean

with a look on his face that said, "WTF have I gotten into and how do I get out of here before any more people see me?"

[Touchdown]

17. Try thinking instead of feeling.

You must not have gotten the RNC memo... You're supposed to be a Bush* hater. That's what they're trying to tell you.

There was nothing...I repeat NOTHING that Dean said that I object to. He was gracious, and called both Edwards and Kerry for congratulations.

[mzmolly]

18. Do you think you can lay off for one night?

Just one please. It's called *grace*

[NewJerseyDem]

39. Did Dean lay off for one night?

NO!!! He immediately went after his opponents and said how he was going to beat them in their own states. I guess that Dean doesn't have any "grace."

[legin]

24. Maybe I am feeling ultra stupid today

but I'm not getting the CNN site, it's CNN International :
http://edition.cnn.com/
I'm over in britain and it automatically re-directs, I must have a cookie on my computer. I noticed this before when someone mentioned that there was a highly dubious poll on the CNN site and I couldn't find it. Maybe I set it to international version when I first logged onto the site. :shrug:

I should not have bothered getting up today.

[legin]

26. OK I am an idiot

there is a link top right to the u.s. edition.
http://us.cnn.com/

I hope it is the same as your u.s. edition.

[depakid]

27. Can't people get a clue? A thread like this was just locked

for the same kind of comments FROM THE SAME PEOPLE- talk about low class.

[WillyT]

29. I Was Trying To Mention That Fact, But I'm Sure It's A Busy Night...

for everybody.

:shrug:

[Memekiller]

35. After seeing how Drudge twisted Clark's testimony...

...I look on ANYTHING on his site with a skeptical eye. I can't believe Democrats ran with the Kerry story he posted the next day. The guy is immoral.

[demdave]

36. I appreciate the link. I missed the live feed and had no reference point.

This is news because people like us talking about it makes it news. That is why I use the DU for LBN. The only thing not posting the link would serve would be to make all of us less informed.

Thanks for posting the link.

[NewJerseyDem]

38. I thought the speech was out of control

It was scary and kind of weird. I think that he did "go nuts" in the speech, at least. And listing how he was going to beat each of his opponents in their own states was just unnecessary and totally uncalled for. It was very unprofessional and I was very bothered by that type of rhetoric. It just further reinforced my concerns with Dean.

[beaconess]

41. His comment that he was going to meet the rest of them around the block

the next day was weird, too. Sounded like he thought he had just lost a bar fight.

Bizarro night for Howard.

[Yupster]

49. Trying to think of a similar speech from the past

In the last 20 years or so, I honestly can't think of one. Anyone else? I think the Bush people will be pushing the Dean candidacy as long as possible.

[incontrovertible]

43. uh, frankly, that was just sad

Total lack of graciousness in defeat is one thing, but it's quite another to list specifically the home states of all of the other candidates in the race and guarantee you're going to win there. You did catch that, didn't you, everybody? "We're going to win in Massachusetts (Kerry), we're going to win in North Carolina (Edwards)... we're going to win in Ohio (Kucinich), we're going to win in Connecticut (Lieberman), we're going to win in Arkansas (Clark), we're going to win in New York (Sharpton)?"

Controversial? Not really. Totally weak and banal? Oh yeah.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. Don't say anything bad about Dean!

It's not allowed!

[DoNotRefill]

45. I just watched it...

apparently, because he didn't come out crying he's freaking out to some here. I didn't see that. He came out and said energetically that it ain't over. I agree with him.

[Memekiller]

50. This Clark supporter agrees...

...I saw the speech. Dean was passionate, but that's what I love about him. The party needs more of it. He took this loss and he's still fighting. Got to admire that.

I think Dean's hands down the best campaigner. I just think Clark would be a better President.

[beaconess]

48. What up with the little striptease he did at the top of his speech

All in all, a very creepy performance.

Thank God Iowa put a stop to the coronation.

[NightTrain]

51. Just caught a rerun of it on C-SPAN

Personally, I thought the speech was OK. Dean looked really tired, but I've no doubt that he is!

Just one question: I had to go to the bathroom at one point. When I got back to the TV, Dean was repeating the same phrase in Spanish over and over again. What was up with that, anyway? :shrug:

[foo_bar]

52. sí, se puede

Translation is "yes we can", maybe "if it's possible" if babelfish is feeling ungenerous. As for why he was repeating it over and over, I think Dean has a self-image that doesn't quite correlate with external perception. He's in a bit of a feedback loop from the unqualified adoration of Dean supporters, but he'll tailor his persona to the broader vox populi in good time.

[jsw_81]

53. I think it was inappropriate

And not at all presidential. I've been supporting Dean for months, but now I'm having serious doubts about his candidacy. I don't think he's ready for prime time.

[Snivi Yllom]

54. Dean will bounce back

the media whores continue bashing the best candidate.

[RichardRay]

55. The speech was OK verging on great

He was tired, pissed and facing a room full of people who were tired and pissed and on the cusp as to what they were going to do. He let it rip. Nobody who heard it can doubt that he isn't giving up, and that's what those people needed to know. The rest of us are just eavesdroppers.

I suppose anybody in his position could tear off the whole list of primaries to come like that, but I know I couldn't. The roar at the end might have been a bit over the top, but I found it appropriate for what he was doing.

It's not what it would take to convert me to making Dean my first choice, but niether was it anything that bothered me.

[Rich Hunt]

56. c'mon that was great

Fiery populist style. That's old-school campaigning.