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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:01 PM
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Scarbourogh Contry asking if there is a GOD gene NOW
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:02 PM
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1. good grief --that Catholic League man is on again!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:05 PM
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2. Bill Donahue from the Catholic League--
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:06 PM
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3. gay gene --God gene--debating whether it exits
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:08 PM
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4. I saw that and so I switched to
HGTV ...... far less stressful.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:11 PM
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6. It is a stupid conversation--I have not figured out what they are arguing
about!!! susposedly some scientists are looking for a God gene.
Are they really. They are discussing a book --that has no references or documation. I can not catch the name of the book.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:10 PM
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5. what about a corruption gene? (n/t)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:11 PM
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7. the Bush WH??
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:15 PM
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10. attheiscs have killed more people than other faiths combined says the
Rabbi. Then Pat. B. equits this with Hitler and his likes!! What a leap of logic. I give up!!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:08 PM
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39. Asshole gene?
I'd love to taylor a virus....

:evilgrin:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:13 PM
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8. I thought the fundies rejected science.
Genetics is a science. Watson and Crick were scientist. Genetics deals with the study of genes, among other things. Genetic study and analysis sometimes leads to decisions to abort a pregnancy. Are they sure they want to cling to a term (gene) that might bite them in the ass?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:16 PM
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12. Repugs use "selective" science--only the kind they put out themselves
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:57 PM
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36. Seriously - we can't have genetics without evolution!
Never mind - the bozos in bushco never care when they contradict themselves, and neither do their paid shills in the media.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:13 PM
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9. Hmmm, was he asked about a killing my intern gene?
you need to step away from that crap.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:15 PM
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11. This show is a riot
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:16 PM by eleny
The 3 guys (Schmuli, Donahue and Buchanan) are all arguing about Jesus being god. So, the woman on the panel who is an atheist asked if this was a pissing contest and suggested they get the ruler out and settle the matter.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:17 PM
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13. yes, that was a good laugh!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:21 PM
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15. Pat B. switched the topic--Christianophobia---taking Christian symbols
out of Christmas. Which Pat calls Christian discrimination.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:24 PM
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19. I love that
They just make up words.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:32 PM
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25. It must be frustrating. Sort of like ...
the way the Christians hijacked the Pagan's holiday and traditions. Payback's a bitch, huh Pat? :eyes:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:21 PM
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16. they went to a break pretty quick after that
i never watch scarborough. but i've been listening to the Lionel radio show once in a while since the link is here at DU. and he loves to watch these jokers and goof on them with his callers. i've learned to watch them with a whole new attitude. the more hyperbolic they get, the funnier they are these days.

i'm waiting for them to start crying over 'the passion' not getting nominated for the golden globe. in the words of hannity - they lost and should 'get over it'. turn around is fair play.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:30 PM
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22. thanks for the tip. BTW--Hannity was crying about the Passion not
being nominated. MY eyeballs rolled.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:20 PM
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14. Idea came from this article
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/112004/new_112004015.shtml

Are humans programmed to worship?

WASHINGTON -- Dean Hamer has received much criticism for his new book, "The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired Into Our Genes."

Evangelicals reject the idea that faith might be reduced to chemical reactions in the brain. Humanists refuse to accept that religion is inherent in people's makeup. And some scientists have criticized Hamer's methodology and what they believe is a futile effort to find empirical proof of religious experience.

But Hamer, a behavioral geneticist at the National Institutes of Health and the National Cancer Institute, stands by research he says shows that spirituality -- the feeling of transcendence -- is part of our nature. And he believes that a universal penchant for spiritual fulfillment explains the growing popularity of nontraditional religion in this country and the presence of hundreds of religions worldwide.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:22 PM
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17. my gosh--Is the US gov funding this reseach? Thanks for the summary
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:23 PM
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18. Donahue: "Diversity fascists" - this is hysterical
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:26 PM by eleny
And the Rabbi asking "When did Christmas become Pagan?". Wha? Oh yeah, these guys are so learned. Not!

The 3 guys are fighting again. I love it! If they were all in the studio together there would be a testosterone fist fight.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:28 PM
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20. chuckle--they are rather comical--and they come across SO serious.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:29 PM
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21. "When did Christmas become Pagan?"
Hey, Rabbi ... it may be a good idea to pick up an encyclopedia every once in a while. :eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:31 PM
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23. yes, some good history would help this conversation!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:33 PM
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27. How bad has the Kerik boo boo hurt his changes for teh '08 nomination?
Topic switch.
Fineman (Michel) --thinks it will slow him down is all.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:32 PM
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24. When it began to be celebrated on Dec 25thinstead of Jesus REAL birthday!!
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:34 PM
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28. Exactly!
:toast:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:37 PM
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30. yes, good one:-)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:00 PM
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37. When did Christmas become Pagan?
Um, that would be when the early Christians piggybacked their new religion on the old pagan religions.

They got me going and coming. First they stole the original pagan religions, covered them up with their new religion, and now they're back, 2,000 years later, to blame me and other neo-pagans for stealing their religion in the first place!

Memo: We don't care. Celebrate whatever you want.

Every day is opposite day in bushco.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:32 PM
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26. The number of self-IDed Christians in US has been falling for decades
The gene must be dying.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:35 PM
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29. oops--Pat talking of Rudy now. Will the press hurt Rudy when and if
he runs for the President.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:38 PM
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31. Atheists forcing abortions? WTF?
As if! I'm thinking more and more that Rove is sending out talking points to debase atheists/ags/non-believers and support xian "faith-based" programs.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:41 PM
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32. to devote your entire life to prop up a man like Bush--beyond sad!!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:42 PM
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33. That is next on the program list of Rove. Just like the Hitler agenda.
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:43 PM by BrklynLiberal
This is to become a CHRISTIAN nation, and anyone who does not conform will be wearing armbands, and eventually herded into the camps.
Think it is too far-fetched? Don't be too sure.
If they have the nerve to go on national TV and talk about this kind of stuff.......what does that tell you?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:44 PM
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34. well the Right keeps hounding that this IS a Christian nation!! over and
over --it is started already!!!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:50 PM
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35. If you want to see the parallels between Hitler and what is going on here
check out this article. Excerpts included below

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/12/far04041.html

"God Is With Us": Hitler's Rhetoric and the Lure of "Moral Values"

by Maureen Farrell

"God does not make cowardly nations free." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

A couple weeks ago, while asserting that the Founding Founders intended for the U.S. government to be infused with Christianity, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that the Holocaust was able to flourish in Germany because of Europe's secular ways. "Did it turn out that, by reason of the separation of church and state, the Jews were safer in Europe than they were in the United States of America?" Scalia asked a congregation at Manhattan's Shearith Israel synagogue. "I don't think so."

One might expect regular citizens to be ignorant of history, but a Supreme Court Justice? Does he imagine that the phrase "Gott mit Uns" was a German clothier's interpretation of "Got Milk"?

If photographic evidence of the Third Reich's Christian leanings were not enough, Hitler's own speeches and writings prove, at the very least, that he presented many of the same faith-based arguments heard in America today. Religion in the schools? Hitler was for it. Intellectuals who practiced "anti-Christian, smug individualism"? According to Hitler, their days were numbered. Divine Providence's role in shaping Germany's ultimate victory? Who could argue? In other words, there is enough historical evidence to color Scalia deluded. Writing for Free Inquiry, John Patrick Michael Murphy explained:

"Hitler's Germany amalgamated state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church and blindly followed all authority figures, political and ecclesiastical.

Hitler, like some of the today's politicians and preachers, politicized "family values." He liked corporeal punishment in home and school. Jesus prayers became mandatory in all schools under his administration. While abortion was illegal in pre-Hitler Germany, he took it to new depths of enforcement, requiring all doctors to report to the government the circumstances of all miscarriages. He openly despised homosexuality and criminalized it." (Alarms going off, anyone????????)

For anyone wanting even more proof, Mein Kampf is chock full of the Fuhrer's musings on God. ("I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," Hitler wrote). But anti-Semitic rants aside, some of Hitler's religious musings are interchangeable with Mr. Bush's.

Hitler was raised a Catholic and spoke of his faith in God, yet, singling out his rants against religion, politicians and pastors continue to characterize him as a pagan barbarian. Such distortions are convenient -- particularly in an age where propaganda concerning "moral values" is readily gobbled up and Christian nation legislation waits in the wings -- but, to paraphrase the Bible, overlooking the truth will not make us free.

Scalia, who also cited the Bible to claim that government "derives its moral authority from God," is hardly alone in his assertions. Leo Strauss, the philosopher who has influenced neoconservativism, and by proxy, George Bush's America, felt that religion, like deception, was crucial to maintaining social order. Meanwhile, neoconservative kingpin Irving Kristol has argued similar points -- bragging about how easy it is to fool the public into accepting the government's actions while arguing that America's Founding Fathers were wrong to insist on the separation of church and state. Why? According to Jim Lobe, it's because religion, as Strauss and his disciples see it, is "absolutely essential in order to impose moral law on the masses who otherwise would be out of control."

Saying that neoconservatives believe that secular society is undesirable "because it leads to individualism, liberalism, and relativism, precisely those traits that may promote dissent that in turn could dangerously weaken society's ability to cope with external threats," Lobe explained why Kristol and other neocons have "allied themselves with the Christian Right" and, in some cases, have also denounced Darwin's theory of evolution. "Neoconservatives are pro-religion even though they themselves may not be believers," Reason magazine's Ronald Bailey explained, pointing to publications like Commentary which has espoused the virtues of religious fundamentalism and has questioned evolutionary science.

(Hitler did the same. The book The German Churches Under Hitler includes his assertion that secular schools should not be tolerated while Hitler's Table Talk quotes him questioning the wisdom in teaching children both creationism and the theory of evolution. "The present system of teaching in schools permits the following absurdity: at 10 a.m. the pupils attend a lesson in the catechism, at which the creation of the world is presented to them in accordance with the teachings of the Bible; and at 11 a.m. they attend a lesson in natural science, at which they are taught the theory of evolution,"he said. "Yet the two doctrines are in complete contradiction. As a child, I suffered from this contradiction, and ran my head against a wall.")

Professor Shadia B. Drury also noted the similarities between the methods endorsed by Hitler and neoconservatives' favorite philosopher. She explained:

"Strauss loved America enough to try to save her from the errors and terrors of Europe. He was convinced that the liberal democracy of the Weimar Republic led to the rise of the Nazis. That is a debatable matter. But Strauss did not openly debate this issue or provide arguments for his position in his writings. I am inclined to think that it is Strauss's ideas, and not liberal ideas, that invite the kinds of abuses he wished to avoid. It behooves us to remember that Hitler had the utmost contempt for parliamentary democracy. He was impatient with debate and dispute, on the grounds that they were a waste of time for the great genius who knew instinctively the right choices and policies that the people need.(SOUND FAMILIAR???) Hitler had a profound contempt for the masses - the same contempt that is readily observed in Strauss and his cohorts. But when force of circumstances made it necessary to appeal to the masses, Hitler advocated lies, myths, and illusions as necessary pabulum to placate the people and make them comply with the will of the Fuhrer. Strauss's political philosophy advocates the same solution to the problem of the recalcitrant masses. Anyone who wants to avoid the horrors of the Nazi past is well advised not to accept Strauss's version of ancient wisdom uncritically. But this is exactly what Strauss encouraged his students to do."


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IHeart1993 Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:07 PM
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38. I thought Religion and Science didn't mix
According to them. :wtf:
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:06 AM
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40. This is the basis for the new eugenics
Those who do not believe in (their) God, will just have to be eliminated.
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