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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:26 AM
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Could this have helped Dean in Iowa? (Poll)
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 02:40 AM by Melodybe
I am getting together a presentation for Joe Trippi and I need some didgets like now!

I just contributed to the DU but I am not allowed to start a real poll yet, so i am doing this the old fashioned way and hoping y'all will respond.

I plan on informing Mr. Trippi that our bigest mistake was spending too much time over at Faux news and not enough time on shows people actually watch like Letterman, Leno, Conan, and the Daily Show.

So do you think that Dean reaching out to middle America TV watchers like Kerry (Leno) and Edwards(the Daily Show) would have helped us in Iowa?
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:29 AM
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1. Wait.
Dean made an appearence on Leno, and I think Letterman. He has not hit The Daily Show though.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:32 AM
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5. oh yeah, leno, I forgot
But I don't remember him on Letterman. Letterman can be a little tougher than Leno.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:45 AM
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11. We did not go on those shows when we were high profile
We went on Leno months ago and we only had bit with biff Henderson on Letterman. We should have had sit down interviews with all the late night talk shows while we were lightning hot, the high ups at our campaign were too busy sending Dean over to Judy Woodruf than to fly his ass to NY for some real interviews.

The high ups at the DHQ are treating Dean like Queen Elizabeth and it will kill us quick if we don't fix it now!
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:30 AM
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2. I don't see how it could have hurt n/t
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DisgustedDemocrat Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:31 AM
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3. I think the larger than usual turnout hurt
And the fact that there were so many first time voters that turned out and registered at the caucus site. I heard this mentioned twice on the TV programs tonight, and that Dean internal numbers were based on registered voters and they were not counting on such a large number showing up to register. Most of the newcomers went for Kerry or Edwards.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=143909&mesg_id=143909
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:31 AM
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4. Who's the DU'er who was so proud that dean bought his newspaper idea
and said it was going to win Iowa?

That guy was really proud of himself.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:32 AM
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6. I think those shows do help.
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 02:33 AM by dralston
But please don't do any stunts. I wasn't thrilled with Kerry's motorcycle. Just be yourself. That's the value of those apolitical appearances.

Not bashing Kerry. It just was too choreographed to me.

Edit: fixed italics.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:48 AM
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12. No stunts, a real sit down interview to explain to the American people
what he is about. We know tons about Dean here, but my friends and Family don't know jack about him. Dean has to go on one of these shows and debunk the fact that the capture of Saddam is what hurt him, it is b/c he is not connecting with middle America and having rallies full of people that already support Dean is not going to help!
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:55 AM
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13. The Saddam capture thing is crap.
Right-wing spin to make us stop talking about the war.

Saddam's capture was 12/13. Dean's slide started 1/13. The slide began with the Canadian TV show tapes, I think. Harkin's endorsement didn't undo it all.


Iowa tracking poll on homepage. http://www.zogby.com/
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i_am_not_john_galt Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:35 AM
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7. Be everywhere
but have something more to say than just "Bush is the antichrist". Start explaining what you would do - nuts and bolts - if given the opportunity to lead this country.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:35 AM
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8. Yes they help...
Good that you are helping the campaign in this way. :-)
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:35 AM
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9. Agree
Doing the Jeanine Garrafalo thing (c'mon, hit me, I can take it, OK again, OK again...) is not going to help.

Finding a way to present fighting for what you believe in as something cool that a Letterman or O'Brian can jibe with will get you many more votes.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:38 AM
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10. You win Iowa by knocking on doors, not focus groups & TV stunts.
Dean needs to relax & be himself. That's how he became popular in the first place. Hardball college tour was the best example of what I like about him. We should be able to see that side of Dean in any setting.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 03:07 AM
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15. Bull we obviously are not connecting at all with middle America.
Dean can go to Letterman and actually talk about the things he wants to do and had already done for the country. Dean doesn't have to ride out on a motorcycle, he has to go and talk about his message of hope and then explain why he did so lousey in Iowa.

If he doesn't strike now we will be told that Dean was just a crazy fringe candidate all along and that his message is for shit. We lose a lot (Dems lose a lot not just Deaniacs) they will and already are saying that it was about Saddam, that is a lie. They are taking they very real anger that Democrats have and using it to Bu$h's advantage. Our anger and hope for something better is about to become a footnote and we can't let this happen. When Dean said that we weren't safer he should have said it to Letterman and Stewart not to Bill O'rielly.

If Dean is not the nominee, then our candidate will be told repeatedly that Dean lost because of his outrage. Dean's anger bit didn't play well with some, but it did wake people up enough to start paying attention. The average Democrat is very mad at the moment, hell everyone here utterly detests this administration, but now our candidates are about to start playing nice again, that will kill us.

I am ABB before anything, but I happen to like Dean the most. There is a movement occuring in America and it is not a Dean movement. It is a democratic movement, the BFEE wants to kill it. Even if we bite the big one in NH the message has to stay out there, Dean or not, the nominee can't play the GOP's game and win,
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 02:57 AM
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14. Cousin Howard emanates "cool" when voters want "warm"
His achilles heel is the air of cold invincibility that has also been his great strength.

His lack of a sense of warmth, his utter un-self-consciousness, and his "loner" image do not play well with voters who have a short memory for the issues, are easily influenced by the sentiment du jour, and are looking--most importantly--for somebody they like well enough to invite into their living room for at least 4 years.

Judy went west wayyyy too late. His family--with one brief exception has been mia. Howard has not felt anybody's pain. Only their irritation. He's always wired, not relaxed. He's unaware of his own grimaces as he stands on stage waiting to speak. And (my pet peeve) he is extremely un-Presidential when he does that ridiculous cheerleading ("YOU HAVE THE POWER!") at the end of every speech. God! Can you imagine JFK doing that??????????!!!!!!!

But, warts and all, I love Howard. He has done a great service for his country, for the Democratic party, and for those of us who suffered in agony for months on end as the Bushies trammelled all over the America we love with hardly a whimper from the established politicians in our own party and the "liberal" media.
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