Kucinich supporters: Are you glad Dennis ganged up on Dean?

[stickdog]

Were the votes Kucinich gave to the second biggest Iraq hawk in the entire field worth the publicity boost Kucinich's 1.3% finish will surely net him?

[Zomby Woof]

1. yep

And I am glad it riled you up enough to start an entire thread about it. ;-)

[ShaneGR]

5. Good Answer, look at Kucinich and Edwards DOMESTIC agenda

And they're early life backgrounds. A striking similarity. Personally I think that the problem Dean is facing is that they originally started with a lot of "US" Democrats and are now talking about "THEM" Democrats. Complete with language like cockroaches.

[lcordero]

2. Sorry but only two people were dovish out of the whole lot

And that was Kucinich and Sharpton.
Edwards has been running on employment and economy issues and Kucinich agrees with a lot of his platform.

After Kucinich and Sharpton, everybody else is an occupationist.

[ShaneGR]

3. Looks like we didn't need Clay Aiken after all

Let me get this straight, you're blaming the Kucinich people for Dean's loss tonight? How about you take a look at Dean himself, a lot of people did and they happened to like other candidates better.

[dweller]

7. do you think?

there's a chance of a Dean/Aiken ticket?

:evilgrin:


dp

[rucky]

9. If it's Kucinich/Aiken ticket, I'm all ears

sorry.

[ShaneGR]

13. LOL!

A little bit of intelligent humor, I like!

[dweller]

4. Dang stick, did you want

some of the :spank: Dennis gave Dean?

:nopity:

peace all the same,
dp

[incapsulated]

6. We are (hopefully) reaching the nadir

if Kucinich is now to blame for Dean's loss.

Let's see, we have: the media, the DNC, the idoits in Iowa, the Clintons, Gephardt, "frightened" punk-ass democrats, and now, Kucinich.

Who is missing from the list? (Rack your brain).

[ShaneGR]

8. The people who organized the MLK event

Because Dean's MLK 'event" didn't go well.

[incapsulated]

10. Forgot them!

Bastards!

[jumptheshadow]

20. "Older people," you forgot "older people"

They have the nerve to vote. We should disenfranchise them. :)

[Clark Can WIN]

24. Don't forget that damned Kennedy fellow

he shares the blame as well. Along with that guy that Dean told to sit down and the reporters he told to get a life.

And Terry McCaliffe, don't forget him.

[Clark Can WIN]

27. We forgot the freepers!

according to some the IA Caucuses haad to have been full of them.

[stickdog]

11. The only thing I'm blaming on Kucinich are his own actions.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=144392

[ShaneGR]

12. Well

I'm sure Dean owns a mirror, he should look in it. Did you see the speech he gave tonight? He's creating his own problems. And to complain about people attacking Dean! Dean, and his supporters, and even you have been RELENTLESSLY attacking all of the other Dems for MONTHS. Now that the shoe fits, you don't want to wear it.

[Dover]

14. I think Kucinich did what he did to stay viable. I don't think there

was ever any love lost between Dean and Kooch. Should he have aligned himself with Dean based on Dean's questionable assertion that he would have voted against the War Resolution? And would Dean even have invited that camp to join him?

I'm just not sure what it is you think he SHOULD have done.

[Egnever]

16. I think he should have stuck to his guns

I don't know how getting one percent in Iowa while compromising his principles helps him.

It was an interesting thing to watch tonight on cspan but of all the horse traders I saw it was the kucinich supporter in the black nit camp that said it the best when he told the gep person to get lost because he was sticking with his candidate even if he wasn't viable.

I dont know about you but I plan on making my voice heard even if I am the only one left standing behind my candidate when the time comes. I am not participating in this election in order to wait to jump on a bandwagon because it seems convenient.

The bandwagon thing will come soon enough when its bush against our eventual nominee till then I vote my conscience.

[Egnever]

15. Interesting replies

And very strange from the bunch that was so insensed that they were not mentioned as being against the war by dean.

I personaly think dean did just fine tonight. This thing has a long way to go it aint even close to over yet.

I foind it incredibly off that kucinich would throw his suport behind a candidate that voted for the war but hey its denises choice to make.

Why would he not stick to his guns and ask his suporters to stand firmly behind him?

[kayleybeth]

17. Sorry but I think the Dean campaign and no one else is responsible for

Dean's abysmal showing in Iowa tonight. No use trying to blame Kucinich, this one falls squarely on the shoulders of the Dean campaign. JMHO.

[dawgman]

18. Outside of the Iraq war dean is just another centrist. Screw him.

[rucky]

19. Here's some incorrect assumptions:

The Kucinich/Edwards trade is not why Dean lost. No need to explain how Kerry's win played into it, or why Edwards beat Dean by a larger margin than Kucinich's exit polling of 4% (minus the 1.3% that went to DK). Edwards beat Dean by 14% fer chrissakes!

Kucinich supporters are not Edwards supporters. We can & will continue to be Kucinich supporters for 49 more races. The strategy was to survive Iowa. I don't even see how Dean figured into the plan any more than any other candidate. The big loser tonite was Gephardt.

Kucinich supporters are not single-issue voters (IWR), and Dean is not an automatic second choice.

If you're looking for similarities between Kucinich & Edwards, look no further than their graciousness & positive attitudes. They agreed to help each other, and it paid off.

I like Dean, but a piece of advice. What you should have learned tonight is that Dean can't take anything for granted.

[dweller]

22. and bees like honey

and what comes around,

well, you know.
dp

[Egnever]

29. Who in the world said

Dean lost?

if Dean lost what hapened to kucinich?

He was burried?

This thread has nothing to do with Deans numbers but is all about how kucinich who is so adamant about his oposition to the war put his suport behind a pro IWR candidate.

It boggles the mind for me. If there was one thing I thought I could absolutely count on from kucicnich it was the fact that he was staunchly against this war. Aparently only till he needs 1% of the votes?

[bluestateguy]

21. More sour grapes

I am very disappointed by the conduct of many of the Dean supporters here tonight.

[Dover]

23. Here is the message from DK's campaign folks, in case you missed it.

Dennis is NOT endorsing Edwards and is NOT bowing out.

There is a strategy deal with Edwards that we cannot comment on
except to say we are very pleased with it because it is part of a
larger strategy.

Fox news has not been telling the truth about anything since Bush
took the White House. Do not begin believing them now.

If you get an email about this from any of your other groups or
organizations, please help us make this clear:

Dennis is NOT bowing out and Dennis is NOT endorsing Edwards.

Thank you!

Claudia Slate
Virtual Outreach Coordinator

_________

Who knows what we DON'T know about that deal. But all these deals and exchanging of delegates is how the caucus process works. Maybe it's the process you aren't liking.

[Dover]

25. I understand the disappointment, but I would never expect Dean

to pass up a strategy to stay alive in the caucus, even if it diminished Kucinich's position or whoever my candidate was. It's not about endorsing anyone...it's a numbers game.

Maybe Dean should have cut a deal with Kucinich. Would that have been more acceptable?

[Egnever]

28. No it would not have been

I might have been more pleased at the results. But I would have still scratched my head over how it had happened. It wouldnt have suprised me from anyone except Kucinich.

He was suposed to be the man of principle... Yet once again we see that principle only last till the hunger for power overtakes it.

[Clark4VotingRights]

26. stickdog, sleep it off

If you're still feeling like this tomorrow, go back to sleep.

[One Taste]

30. mmm Sour sour grapess...

[Piperay]

31. Whoa

:wow: Yeah, I'm really sure DK made all the difference...NOT.