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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:04 PM
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What are your thoughts on having a National ID license?
Instead of a drivers license by states it goes national, 1933 Germany anyone? Little by little our rights and States rights disappear. This is what happened in Germany, it was a little bit at a time and before they knew what happened there rights were gone.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:07 PM
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1. I don't see
how national IDs would tell the government anything they couldn't already easily find out.
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:18 PM
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2. I will not be carrying mine.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:19 PM
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3. Against it
It smacks too much of a police state. Drivers License/State ID are good enough. I don't want to be monitored nationwide like some criminal.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:24 PM
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4. I suspect they already know more about me
than I care to think. A national ID would only make them more organized and able to take care of bidness more efficiently. Now, they can easily access my driver's license with picture. Still, I don't like the idea, simply because it is a little 1933 Germanesque, as you say.

I would be more upset if they wanted to fingerprint everyone. If it ever comes to that, I'm in the streets protesting.
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gaia_gardener Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:10 PM
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7. Most states now require a
finger "image" to get your drivers' license. A few states allow you to opt out, but it's fewer and fewer. Some how this "image" makes your license more secure.

It ticks me off. Until, or unless, I commit a crime they don't need my prints. Getting a license is becoming more and more like being arrested. You get your mug shot and then they take your prints (oh, excuse me "image").

"Image" is apparently very different from a print - at least according to my repug state congresscritter. It's not a "fingerprint" it's a "fingerimage" and is nonreversible. He's clearly an idiot.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:31 PM
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5. I am against it,
the federal government doesn't need to be tracking each of us in that fashion. They are already doing that with the SSN and IRS....
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 07:36 PM
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6. It is indeed the wrong direction. I am categorically opposed.
I would guess that the same question in Freeperland would elicit the same response (generally). On this issue, we tend to agree. Soooo, let's exploit it.
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:29 PM
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8. "papers please..."
eom
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:31 PM
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9. Never (nt).
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:04 PM
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10. National Identity Cards..
The landmark U.S. intelligence overhaul that passed Congress recently contained a little-noticed provision regarding state drivers' licenses that is intended to refashion these licenses in the next 18 months into what amounts to be NATIONAL IDENTIFICATION CARDS. Naturally, officials deny all this; nonetheless, that's EXACTLY what's occurring. Because state-issued drivers' licenses have over the years developed willy-nilly into the primary devices used today to establish identity in the United States, they're a "natural" for "covering up" what the government is really up to - i.e. establishing a national identification card.
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If a state's drivers' license does not meet the new standards, federal agencies (and the agencies of other states that participate in the new federal program) will not be allowed to accept it as valid identification for such purposes as boarding airplanes, trains and ships, making business and banking transactions, and many other common transactions of daily life. Essentially, the bill mandates in a very round about and circuitous manner a NATIONAL IDENTITY CARD by NATIONALIZING the drivers' licenses of the various states, standardizing them, and linking them together (directly or indirectly - it doesn't matter) to a national data base.

And it's not just the Republicans that are pushing this, Democrats are on board as well. For example, Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., says the United States needs a national identification card - one that uses "smart card technology" - and using state drivers' licenses is perfect for such a purpose. In addition, Harmon, a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence and an acknowledged expert on counter-terrorism, stresses that the identification card (i.e., the various state licenses) "need to be connected to a national database." She went on to say, "I think this issue must be looked at. We don't automatically have to call it a national ID card. That's a radioactive term. But we can certainly think about smart cards for essential functions. But we need the database to support that."

It's a perfect ruse; using state drivers' licenses gives cover to advocates of the new National Security State to say that they're not creating a national security card, when - in effect - that's exactly what they're doing. To abet this ruse, the states will be encouraged to adopt differing "looks" to their licenses - in fact the bill mandates these differences; but in the end, they will all be the same, and they will all be hooked (directly or indirectly) into the same database.
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As a start, the intelligence bill will require that each license include a digital photograph of the holder as well as the holder's full name, date of birth, gender and drivers' license or personal identification number (i.e., social security number) that will be encrypted onto the card. In addition, it is anticipated that the licenses will include difficult-to-duplicate holograms, a computer chip, and it will incorporate some kind of unique identifier such as a fingerprint; other encrypted information will be placed on a magnetic strip located on the card; it is also planned that a digital "watermark" will be implanted onto the license and fine lines that are visible only under ultraviolet light.

The license will also be made "scanable" - like a credit card - and those scanning the card, if they are authorized, will be able to get whatever data is on file on you, from your credit history, to your medical records, to your police records, whatever. Nothing will be sacrosanct - despite the government assurances to the contrary OR are you so stupid as to believe the government's assurances. Besides, most people will hardly notice what's happening - simply that they are having to show their drivers' licenses a whole lot more than they did in the past, and have them scanned (which will be new). But so what - it's all being done to keep us safe!

Finally, radio frequency chips similar to those that are being used in cell phones will be installed that will allow information on licenses to be accessed by readers several yards away - and ultimately by satellites - while the cards are still in one's purses and / or wallets, and without the owner knowing what's happening.

ACLU attorney Marv Johnson says -

"We've just made it easier to keep track on everyone (in the United States). It's a fairly frightening scenario. We've never been a country in which you've had to show your papers."

Now, stop and think about what all this means: the government will always know where you are: it is anticipated that eventually you will have to show your driver's license whenever you use your credit card, whenever you make a banking transaction, whenever you make a purchase, stay in a motel, rent a car, board a plane, train or ship, get medical services, obtain government services, rent an apartment, etc. - and it won't matter whether or not you use cash - you will still be required to show your drivers' license. The government will be able to track your every move! Nothing will be hidden from the government's eyes.

In addition, by installing "readers" at various locations on the nation's roads and highways, the government will be able to track you as you travel in REAL TIME. This is to say nothing of the government's ability to track you using satellites. Of course, you can always throw your license away; but then you will not be able to purchase food, buy gas, get car repairs, etc. - in other words, you won't be able to travel. And no use trying to use somebody else's license - only the owner of the license will be able to use it - that's the reason for the digitized fingerprint, picture, and hologram. So much for crossing a border undetected.

ALL THIS IN EIGHTEEN MONTHS! Much sooner if there is another 9/11 event - NOT MUCH TIME LEFT, is there? What will people do then? I'll tell you what they will probably do - given the fact that everything they say or do can now be monitored, their freedom of movement can now be checked, their ability to make purchases of any kind can now be impeded, their ability to obtain work can be hindered - all this by a simple key stroke in a data base somewhere, etc. They'll begin to compromise their principles to put food on the table, to travel without being stopped, to make purchases without being hassled, etc. - all activities necessary to one's ability to function in a modern-day society.
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http://www.antipasministries.com/ShearerCommentaries/Shearer122004.html
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:06 PM
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11. Mark of the Beast
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 11:06 PM by XemaSab
You think Bush thinks he's the antichrist and is trying to put Armageddon through as an insider?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:10 PM
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12. A big old waste of money
:hi:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:23 PM
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13. Apartheid anyone?
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:40 PM
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14. Yeah, what's next, pass laws???
:evilfrown:
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