Would you become an "insurgent"?

[Jo March]

Let's say that Canada invaded the US. They decided that we needed a regime change. You hate * with a passion and want to see him go. Canada swoops in, bombs the shit out of everything, kills thousands of people and destroys cities. Canadian forces capture * and his cronies and take them off for war crimes trials. The fighting continues however and the country is in shambles. You see the dead bodies of your neighbors rotting in the streets.

Would you become an "insurgent" and lob rocks and pipe bombs at the occupying troops? Would you pick up a weapon to fight?

I think about this every time I hear the word "insurgent." How many of those insurgents are just everyday, average people who feel like they are forced to fight the Americans? How many are weary and scared and just want their lives back?

I would become an insurgent. I wonder how many other mothers would become insurgents. How many old men and teenagers and preteens would become insurgents?

This war is wrong. We've murdered and created murderers. God help us all. * has to be held accountable for this.

[rkc3]

1. George Washington was an insurgent.

Why wouldn't any of us become one?

[Jo March]

5. I'm sure we all would. The MSM throws that word around

without any regard for the people behind the word. That is the point I am trying to make.

These people are fighting for their country. * and his administration can label them as insurgents to make it more palatable to the public but they aren't evil. They just want us gone, just was we would want an occupying army to leave our country.

[OnlyInAmerica]

29. Yes, but

I wouldn't drive car bombs into groups of my fellow citizens. I'd target only those who weren't US citizens, not people standing in line trying to get a job

[Jo March]

52. I agree with you there. Some of the tactics are evil

Rabbits are most dangerous when they are cornered so think about cornering a snake or a lion.

We made so many mistakes (fuck ups) in this war. Evil begats evil.

[murray hill farm]

68. what if those citizens were working for the invaders

what if those citizens joined with the army that was occupying our country? What if those citizens joined the enemy to fight the rest of the citizens? Would u target them then?

[mycatforpresident]

79. Technically, there are many insurgents right here...

According to my dictionary, that is. "One that acts contrary to the established leadership."

Why wouldn't we take the extra step and take up arms, if pushed into a corner? It surprises me that we haven't done so already, to be honest.

[hoosierblue]

2. Actually, if Canada took us over, I'd die happy.

Seriously, I'd become an insurgent.

In the meantime my fingers will still be crossed, hoping Canada does invade us. Long live the United States of Canada!
:hippie:

[Krupskaya]

3. Heh, you beat me to it.

I actually WOULD welcome Canada as a liberator. Where's my bouquet of flowers?

[Jo March]

9. Oh, Canada!

Ha! Ha!!

[Jo March]

7. LOL! I should have used a less cool country in my example!!

;)

[TahitiNut]

Eh?

(just practicing) :silly:

[On the Road]

4. Absolutely

I would also become an insurgent if the government were overthrown from within leading to a nondemocratic government.

[rkc3]

11. Are we already headed to a nondemocratic government?

[Jo March]

18. It appears to be heading that way unfortunately. nt

[atreides1]

6. Yes I Would

Because I would be defending my country and trying to remove an invader from my land.

I would use whatever means were available to resist, I would attack their military forces, their civilians, and the collaborators.

I would try to avoid the bloodshed of my own people, but if it couldn't be helped, then so be it.

[brainshrub]

8. That's a good question.

I wouldn't do business with the invading forces, nor would I co-operate.

I don't know what I would do if Canadian bombs killed my children. To remain peaceful would require moral fortitude that I'm not sure I'm capable of.

[Jo March]

13. I would be happy for a nanosecond as * was taken down

Then I'd want them gone. If bombs killed my kids, I don't know how much of a pacifist I could be. I don't know if I could kill but I could darn sure blow up empty buildings and vehicles!

Seriously, I would have to pick up a weapon to defend my country no matter what.

That's what many of these Iraqi insurgents are doing. They just want their country back. I can't blame them for wanting that.

[lcbart]

10. Darn right I would.

I would pick up a gun I hate and fight anyone invading this country under ANY pretense.

* is a blight on humanity, no one doubts that, but he's our blight and we have to deal with him. I don't believe the Iraqi insurgents are fighting for Saddam - they're fighting for their Independence. And, If the same situation were to occur here, I'd be fighting for the same.

[Jo March]

14. Amen, Icbart!

I agree totally. * is a piece of crap but he's our crap and, as such, we have to deal with him. It's the only way we will survive as a country.

I would defend my country in a heartbeat. I can't defend the * admin's policies or decisions but I'll defend the country.

[quaoar]

12. The men who signed the Declaration of Independence

knew the potential risks. They pledged to each other their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honors.

They knew that if the revolution failed, they were toast.

If America were to be invaded, I would damn sure become a guerilla.

[Jo March]

16. Slavery or death is what it boils down to

Are you going to live your life on your knees or die standing?

I'd rather die standing with an American flag in my hand - although I'm sure I could remain alive a bit longer if I wasn't standing up waving a flag around! ;)

[Jo March]

21. Yes, which is what the average Iraqi insurgents are doing

and the MSM and the * administration villify them by lumping them all together as insurgents. They want us to believe that every Iraqi is evil. It pisses me off because the average American would do the same thing if we were invaded.

[brainshrub]

27. When I was a kid I didn't know what a guerilla was.

For the longest time I thought gorillas could drive cars, talk and shoot people.

[signmike]

32. During Viet Nam the Hells Angels volunteered to go

and be "Gorillas" if the U.S. would send them AND their motorcycles. They were laughed at. I guess they didn't pass the Army Spelling Test.

[Jo March]

34. Wow. Is that true? nt

[Xipe Totec]

15. In a Minute, Man

[liberal N proud]

17. If you mean Freedom Fighter, Yes

The regime and media like to call them insurgents, but they really are doing nothing more than defending their homeland.

[Jo March]

23. Aren't they FF only if we back them? LOL!

Gotta love those memories of Reagan! (Or not.)

[liberal N proud]

I call them Freedom Fighters only because they are fighting

the oppression the US is forcing on them.

[Jo March]

26. I know. I was referring to the "Freedom Fighters" back from the

Iran-Contra days. Just trying to be ironic.

[LynnTheDem]

19. HELL YES. And I'd be called a "BUSH LOYALIST" for being a PATRIOT

and DEFENDING MY COUNTRY against FOREIGN INVADERS.

And I would use every last bit of ammo for my guns that I could get my hands on.

And when I ran out, I would pelt the invaders with ROCKS. I would STAB them with my kitchen knives.

I would try to TRICK them into trusting me, and then KILL them by ANY MEANS at my disposal.

If I could get explosives, I'd blow them up.

WHATEVER means I had available to me, I'd use to DEFEND MY NATION against FOREIGN INVADERS...REGARDLESS what excuses they gave for their invasion.

[Jo March]

22. Lynn, I'm right with you! Wow, you are fired up!

I'd fight to protect my kids and my home.

[LynnTheDem]

30. NO ONE, but NO ONE, is going to INVADE AND OCCUPY AMERICA

without my fighting them by ANY AND ALL means at my disposal!!!

If all I had left to fight with were my teeth, I'd BITE the MFing invaders! :D

[Jo March]

35. Note to self: do not piss off LynntheDem

I love you, Lynn! You are a fiesty one! I agree with you 100%!

If I have to personally use freepers as human shields in order to attack occupying troops, I'd be willing to do that!

[LynnTheDem]

40. You can safely piss me off...

Just don't try to invade & occupy my country. For ANY reason. *SNAP*

:D

[Jo March]

45. Duly noted! I will NOT invade and occupy Lynn's country

LOL!!!

[LynnTheDem]

59. And as a female, I fight dirty & I use my nails.

:D

[Jo March]

61. Catfight with the Canadians!

There's a Pay-per-View opportunity if ever there was one!

[LynnTheDem]

67. LOL!!!

Nah, the Canadians are too laid back & easy-going; they'd just crack open a few brewskies. :D

(btw, I'm a dual citizen; American & Canadian. I'd have to beat myself up! :D )

[whosinpower]

20. In the days after Baghdad fell -

General Tommy Franks had a historic opportunity - and he spoke of implementing elections within 6 months and handing over power to that democratically elected body.

PAUL BREMER vetoed that notion. This insurgency I place at the feet of Paul Bremer - the architect of looting Iraq. As time wore on, and Bremer fired all individuals working for state owned enterprises, the military etc, there was increasinly rising dissent against the occupying power. They(the interim government) are now seen as puppets to the US and the people have risen up. I don't blame them although I do not agree with some of their tactics.

[Jo March]

25. But would you use those same tactics if you were in the same

situation? I'm not sure if I could but if you fight for your freedom, people are bound to get killed. It's horrible.

Franks had a good plan but the hawks were too thirsty for that oil. Bremer is an idiot puppet of *. I hope that he goes down when * does.

[whosinpower]

31. Some of the tactics I would use -

Targeting military instatllations, convoys and troops - yes.
Kidnapping, holding ransom and murdering civilians - no.
Suicide bombing targeting innocent civilians - no.
Bombing and murdering occupation enablers - yes.

But here is the crux of it all - it was all unnecessary IF they had implemented Franks notion of free elections within 6 months. There was VERY little insurgency back then and I see that as the iraqi people were willing to give the US a chance to prove their claim of liberating Iraq. But BREMER FVCKED it all up with his proclamations and executive orders. He screwed up royally, undermining the little bit of goodwill the iraqi people were willing to give to the US.

They(the interim government) now has zero credibility in the eyes of the iraqi's - and it is their eyes that count far more than the eyes of the American public. I hate to say it - but it was better for the Iraqi people when Saddam was in power - as horrible as he was, at least they had somewhat reliable power, steady jobs, food and security. Saddam did not obliterate an entire city or force its occupants to a concentration camp/police state style of living.

Still, I lay this whole mess at the feet of Paul Bremer and the neocons utopian dream of a capitalist run middle eastern nation.

[Jo March]

33. Yes, Bremer doesn't deserve any medals

He deserves to be tried for war crimes and locked away forever. Bremer did fuck things up.

Saddam was evil yes, but there are no degrees of evil - what we are doing in this war is just as wrong as the things Saddam did.

[whosinpower]

46. You know what gets me

Is that allot of Americans are not even aware of the depth of wrongdoing Bremer did to Iraq when he was there.

When the US invaded, over 60 percent of Iraq's enterprises were state owned and the people were employed by the state. Not just the military but factories, infrastructure and businesses. He FIRED them all. Factories went empty with no workers - were then put on the auction bloke for pennies to the dollars of what it was worth, and sold to foreign corporations. He outlawed unions from forming(something Saddam was famous for) and these factory workers had no recourse whatsoever. They could work for the new owners at a fraction of what they were making - or not work at all.

Iraqi farmers are now required to buy all their seed from Monsanto Corp......genetically engineered crops that Monsanto holds the patents to. Iraqi farmers are NOT ALLOWED to plant anything other than this. They are NOT ALLOWED to keep back a portion of the crop for next years planting as they have done for generations.

All US troops, or coalition troops are IMMUNE to prosecution under iraqi law.

The list goes on and on - Bremers executive declarations. He instituted looting the nation - not just the oil....far far more insidious than just the oil.

[Jo March]

51. Oh, definately. The American people don't know the half of it

There is nothing to stop raping or stealing or looting or killing for the sake of killing. Nothing unless the crimes happen to be discovered. The chances of that happening are rare.

Bremer should be tried for war crimes.

And those out-of-work Iraqi men? Well, if they can't work, they might as well pick up a weapon, right?

Again, Bremer should be tried for war crimes.

[AG78]

24. We've already been invaded

They're made of steel, never sleep, and never eat. Yet, they're considered to be human. I know what you're thinking, and no, not Canadians. Corporations.

I guess we know why they control our government(or the planet). They're human, so they are technically the governed. That's why they're altering and abolishing our former destructive government.

That's the sad part. If you look at this little paragraph, from the point of view from humancorps, it also works.

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great- Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World."

[cali]

28. Let's carry this further:

Would you kill your neighbor because he was working for the Canadians, even in an innocuous job? Would you set off a car bomb in the midst of your city or town? Would you become a suicide bomber? Would you execute election workers?

Reportedly, most Iraqis support neither the Americans or the insurgents. Reportedly, many insurgents aren't even Iraqis. Reportedly, most Iraqis want to vote and kick us out.

I don't know what I'd do if a foreign force invaded my country. It depends on the circumstances. I don't know how I'd react to a homegrown regime that killed hundreds of thousands of my countrymen and women. Speculation is useless. You can't know until you're actually living through it.

[LynnTheDem]

36. Factually, MOST the insurgents ARE Iraqis

Even the US military admits that.

It's only bush & his Cartel who keep on lying by saying otherwise.

And I won't even bother pointing out the bullshit "Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of his own people"; regardless the evidence to the contrary, that's your belief and you're sticking to it. ;)

[Jo March]

47. Yes, let's keep the myth going shall we?

The Iraqis have no choice but to fight to get us to leave. They hate us. We haven't made anything better. What good is it to build a school if the children are too wounded to attend or there aren't enough children to send to school because so many have been killed?

We haven't done anything for the Iraqi people. Nothing. Rebuilding buildings that we've blown up doesn't count.

[cali]

48. I didn't say that most of the Insurgents weren't

Iraqis, but I suspect you're quite aware of that. And yes Hussein brutally killed thousand, and probably hundreds of thousands. We're certainly responsible in ;many ways for many of those deaths. We backed Hussein in Iraqi Iran war. We, as well as others, provided weaponry to him. I'm not defending the U.S. You don't believe he gassed the Kurds. Talk to the Kurds. Read some of Peter Galbraith's stuff. You seem to operate on one note: Rage. It clouds your thinking.

[Jo March]

56. Hussein is evil. No doubt about it. He did gas the Kurds

with chemical weapons that WE sold him and because Bush 1 left the Kurds out to dry by encouraging them to rise up against Saddam and then refusing to help them.

That has nothing to do with the question at hand, however, and will only lead us off the subject.

The "insurgents" are mainly Iraqi nationals who have banded together to join the fight to get the US out of their country. There are foreign supporters, of course, but the majority of the "insurgents" are Iraqis. It's that simple. Even the military admits that. We have created these "insurgents" and now we are lumping them all together under that word to make it easier to take when we kill dozens at a time.

Yes, there are extremists who bomb mess halls and hideous things like that but the majority of the insurgents are not extremists. They just want their country back.

[cali]

64. Actually, Hussein gassed the Kurds before

Desert storm. Several years before. One of the most shameful things we did is refuse to condemn his action. Again, read
Galbraith on this. It was the Shiites in the South that bush 1 urged to rise up after the war. They were the ones he encouraged and abandoned, even allowing Hussein to use helicopter gun ships against them. I don't mean to be rude, but these are important things to know, and get straight. How can you talk about the present if you don't know the past?

I actually don't see the mess hall bombing as illegitimate action- I hate it, but at least Mosul was a military target. It's the targetting of Iraqi civilians by insurgents that I find so despicable. And incidents like the killing of 19 Nepalese civilians.

As far as getting off track goes, I responded to the poster that stated that Hussein didn't murder thousands of people.

[whosinpower]

72. Funny little tidbit about that

They have had to withdraw charging Hussein on genocide because of a lack of evidence.

I wonder what really happened?????

[LynnTheDem]

66. He did huh. You want to get your proof over to bush; he's looking for it.

Especially with those genocide charges against Hussein being dropped because of no proof, and with the HRW and AI saying they needed to revise their estimates of Iraqi non-war deaths down from being "vastly over-inflated".

"Rage"?

It's REALITY and FACTS, my dear; that's what "clouds" my thinking.

I, along with several US government reports, the Iraqis, several non-Kurd witnesses, etc, believe Hussein didn't use blood agent on the Kurds; and it was blood agent that killed them.

There is FAR MORE proof that IRAN gassed the Kurds than proof that Iraq did; there is also the FACT that OF COURSE the KURDS would blame the Iraqis. FACT is, the KURDS are aligned with IRAN, they always have been, and were, WITH IRAN, at war AGAINST the Iraqis. Do you really think the Kurds would blame their own people???

The MOST BIASED opinion possible would be the KURDS.

[Jo March]

42. No you can't know - but apparently our "leaders" know and

the MSM knows. The only Iraqi deaths that we hear of are insurgent deaths.

Let's say that 100 Iraqi insurgents are killed. How many were suicide bombers, kidnappers or foreign instigators? How many are just regular Iraqis who want their country back? We don't know so why lump them all together as insurgents?

We are killing would-be bombers and instigators, I'm sure, but we're killing a hell of a lot more average Iraqis who are fighting for their country.

Once Saddam was gone, we had a chance to hand the country over to the Iraqi people (as one other poster pointed out) but we didn't. From that point on, there was no longer a "homegrown regime" but we went right in there and replaced that regime with an occupying force. The gratitude that many Iraqis might have felt was replaced with the horror of the continued fighting and bombing.

[cali]

54. I agree.

I don't lump them together. Undoubtedly most Iraqis killed are just regular people. We kill a lot. So do others; call them insurgents, call them freedom fighters, call them whatever you like. In the long run, of course we're responsible. We invaded another country for some of the worst of reasons. We should never have gone in, and having gone in, we should have left long ago. Still, I feel it's important to point out that the vast majority of Iraqis aren't insurgents: They're people who want to live their lives in security, who want to decide their own fate, and who want our forces gone. It's also important to note that I can be horrified by what we're doing in Iraq, and horrified by incidents like the execution of the election workers. It's not exactly a contradiction.

[The Traveler]

44. "Speculation is useless"

You just can't tell what you will do until you're there ...until the moment of evil choice is relentlessly before you.

Still, it bears thinking about. By such thought experiments we can gain some perspective on what evil choices others must face.

[Jo March]

49. I hope we never have to make that choice

I hope that I never have to choose between standing by passively or picking up a weapon to defend my family and my home. But I do agree that thinking about it does give us perspective on what is currently happening in Iraq.

And it might make some people rethink this war and that would be great.

[Karenina]

73. I almost hope for your growth

That you DO. This is NOT something I say lightly as I am devastated by the turn of events. My REAL QUESTION is: WHAT WILL IT TAKE?

WHAT THE HELL WILL IT TAKE for Americans to realize what is being done in their names? I confront the ravages of war DAILY as I go about my business. The scars I see here happened over a half century ago. What I hear from the folks in my 'hood is happening NOW. Amis think 9/11 was the biggest deal ever. (I watched those buildings go up.) Multiply their destruction by 10 and apply THAT concept to YOUR OWN CITY OR TOWN OR VILLAGE and maybe you'll have an idea about Fallujah.

IT'S INSANE.

[DELUSIONAL]

37. the bush gang already considers us "insurgents"

and if you think about it -- we have already been invaded -- the moment that a footnote in a Supreme Court decision was taken to mean that Corporations have rights equal to humans.

Corporations the multinational with no allegiance to any one Nation are the invaders.

Corporations can sue Governments.

Bush being champion of corporations considers everyone in the US an insurgent who is not a CEO of a major Corp.

One certainly gets that feeling when going through "security" at airports -- and look at the way the FDA is being used to shield Corporations.

In America if you aren't a Corporation (or human who can give Corporate donations to the bushies) then you are an insurgent -- or so it seems.

[MsTryska]

38. I ask this very same question

to any pro-war couch warrior that claims that spouts off.


by definition these hawkish gun-toting types would HAVE to answer yes to this question. they usually stay totally silent tho.



as for me, hell yeah, i would exercise my 2nd amendment right.

[Jo March]

43. They don't answer the question because they know

They know what hypocrites they'd be.

I couldn't think of killing anyone. I joke about it but the mere thought makes me sick. I'd be one of those who would blow up empty vehicles and buildings. I'd cut cables and phone cords. I'd find a way to mess with the fuel supplies or the deliveries of supplies.

I would hope that I wouldn't have to kill but I guess I could if I had to.

[Cheswick2.0]

39. Yes I would be an insurgent

I would not tolerate another country occupying the US.

[Pacifist Patriot]

41. I doubt I could take up arms, but...

I'd be doing one hell of a Gandhi impersonation.

[hoosierblue]

71. Lol

I know what you mean. I'm legally blind. Trust me; you don't want me holding a gun.

[RafterMan]

50. NO

And I would rat you out.

Again assuming the US regime was as bad as Saddam...

[Jo March]

57. Aha! You would provide comfort to the enemy!

I see how it is with you. LOL! ;)

Unless you are serious....

[RafterMan]

65. I'm dead serious

In occupied America, the last thing I'd want is the basement Che's and the wild-eyed militiamen calling the lightning down on me.

Screw all of you. I'm collaborating my ass off until I feel all political remedies for the occupation have been exhausted. Your macho-man act brings only grief.

So there. :P

[Jo March]

94. It's not "macho-man", RafterMan

It's a simple question of "what if."

BTW, I am a female. :)

[0007]

53. I love this country and would do anything to protect our freedom

I would become an insurgent.

[Jo March]

60. According to the MSM, we are already dissidents

It's just one step away from insurgent.

[0007]

62. I know! How long do ya think we have before they put us all away?

[Jo March]

63. I'm not sure - about the time we start protesting in the streets

They'll start rounding us up then.

[0007]

70. ....then let's hit the fucking street on Christmas Day, 'eh?

[WithStamina]

55. Hahaha

Please excuse me while a laugh. The NYPD could defeat Canada's military.

Yes, I would become an insurgent.

[Jo March]

58. Okay, replace Canada with a less cuddly country

China, maybe?

[jellybelly]

69. yes

if I were an American, I'd fight against the soldiers. I wouldn't travel over from Britian and capture civilians and behead them.

[MrSlayer]

74. Hell yes. No Canuck is coming in here and taking over.

I've read the anarchist's cookbook and I've got guns. Bring it on!

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[StopDiggingTheHole]

76. Not in the case of Iraq vs Saddam

I would side with the army against Saddamn.

[Skittles]

91. how is Saddam worse

than invading and bombing and occupying a country based on a pack of lies???

[lojasmo]

77. I would....absolutely.

I stated as much when I went in front of my millitary board to apply for conscientous objector status.

[SemperEadem]

78. Frankly, I believe that this country is going to be in

a religious/civil war within the next ten years brought on by those that are trying to rewrite the constitution to establish a national xtian religion.

Right now, they won't admit which flavor of xtianity is going to be the prevailing state religion because that would cause way too much infighting before they could get their plan enacted.

But I think that those that are hell-bent on advancing their fantasy of what the founding fathers were thinking, instead of looking at what they actually put down in ink on parchment, need to be taken to task to admit exactly what their plan is and what they plan to do to those who refuse to profess their particular religion.

The very reason why our constitution is written the way it is is because the framers of it had in their recent history the civil wars of religion in England/Scotland with Puritans fighting Catholics over religious control of the citizenry. Those who are intent upon forcing state sponsored religion are forcing war upon the people of this country.

[JNelson6563]

80. You betcha!!

I'd want Canada out and we the people to be able to choose our new, non-fascist leaders.

Easy. I would want what the "Iraqi insurgents" now want for themselves.

Julie

[Jo March]

96. Right - freedom from occupation

The ability to vote for a candidate of our choice and not a puppet that the occupying country has propped up.

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[Sparkly]

86. I think you misunderstand

The point is: If the United States were invaded by another country who wished to change the structure of our government, who bombed our cities, who killed and injured your friends and family, who insisted we posed a danger we didn't, who demolished our system with nothing to take its place so that even people from other countries entered and started fighting in our streets -- would you fight if you believed you were defending your homeland?

[Jo March]

95. Sparkly, you have hit the nail on the head

It's a "what if" activity that will hopefully make some of us think about the war in a different way, especially if some of us believe that anyone who fights the Americans are simply evil Iraqis. That is just not true.

[OhioBlue]

87. I don't understand

Are you implying that "Would you become and insurgent?" is some kind of code for "Do you support the killing of U.S. troops?"

If so, you have been brainwashed. The "Left" is NOT in favor of U.S. soldier's being harmed!!! Look at the bigger picture - the poster is looking at the motivation behind those labeled as "insurgents". To make any progress in Iraq OR against radical Islam OR terrorists we will have to look at what the motivation is.

[Jo March]

97. OhioBlue, how come DUers can get what I'm saying

and freepers automatically assume that I am against the troops? How brainwashed do you have to be, seriously?

For anyone who doubts my love of the troops, here are my credentials:

1. I am ex-Army, having served in the Army Signal Corp. for almost 3 years. That's 3 years more than *, Cheney or Rush.

2. My sister is in the Air Force. She has served in Dessert Shield/Storm, Afghanistan and Iraq.

3. There have been members of my family in one military branch or another all the way back to the Civil War.

So, for all of the freepers who think that looking deeper at the Iraqis who have been killed in this war = being against the troops, I kindly say, "Fuck you."

[OhioBlue]

103. You know my reply wasn't to you right?

I was replying to the message that has since been deleted. I don't know if you got to read that comment or not - I can't remember exactly what it said, (something like isn't what you really mean, do you support the killing of US troops) That comment was making me angry. My intent wasn't to criticize you.

[OhioBlue]

83. Look up the definition of insurgent.

Can you deny that our founding fathers were "insurgents"? The problem is that the term insurgent is used interchangeably by * and his admin with terrorists and thugs that the impression in people's minds is that insurgent means terrorist. Don't let the propaganda takeover.

[Jo March]

99. OhioBlue, you are exactly right!!

This is what I was trying to say! The * admin is trying to paint all of the Iraqi opposition forces as being evil, American-hating soliders who need to be wiped out. That is not the case for the majority of the Iraqi fighters. Many average people have taken up arms because they are trying to protect their country, family and way of life.

[katinmn]

84. yes, I would be a member of the resistance

of course

Insurgent is a term that the military brass uses to make it seem that the Iraqi people are just trouble makers.

[ChiciB1]

88. This Issue Is Really Too Scary!

I'm against the death penalty, so I don't really know what I would do! If this country were to be invaded we would ALL have to be Bush Supporters! That thought is just too too SCARY!! It would mean HE did something to piss some other country off and then we have to stand and defend his STUPIDITY!

Let's just be thankful we're NOT THERE YET!

[Jo March]

100. ChiciB1, I hope that we never get there

But with * in charge, it's only a matter of time.

I am a pacifist. I have a tattoo of a peace sign on my back. I am not sure what I could do, seriously. I joked with LynntheDem above but the thought of killing makes me physically ill.

But I would do what I had to do.

[Pepper32]

89. Hell yes, I WOULD.

I could never standby and allow my country to be bullied or worse by foreign invaders!

Not even if the are evangelical republicans.

[leftofthedial]

90. I already am

[The Gigmeister]

92. No. I am morally against beheading women!!

[Jo March]

101. Excuse me? WTF?? Who said that fighting for your

country entailed beheading women? Or are you trying to do exactly what the MSM and * and Rush want you to do - paint everyone who is fighting the US forces as evil, American-hating beheaders of women?

TG, the US Army has killed women, children and old men. Don't forget that and it's all for *'s lies.

Or are you saying that it's impossible to fight for your country's freedom without beheading a few women, in which case you are either an idiot or you just aren't smart enough to participate in this thread.

[GarySeven]

93. I AM an insurgent

I've seen this Civil War coming for 30 years. Let's rumble.

[Catchawave]

98. I already am :::sigh:::

I'm a democrat.

[Jo March]

102. Zing! LOL! I love that answer! nt

[Clarkie1]

104. No, I'd be thankful * was gone and do any protesting peacefully

[RetroLounge]

105. WOLVERINES!

Just saying...

RL

[KittyCA]

106. No country would ever attack America.

That was the whole point of carpet bombing Afghanistan and invading Iraq. This is America flexing it's military might on the world. It's pathetic.

However, I do agree with the concept of fighting for your country in a similar manner to the current insurgents in Iraq. The only difference is, when Americans do it...it won't be looked upon as something wrong and "evil". But when the Iraqis fighting for THEIR country and their FREEDOM... they are labeled terrorists and insurgents.

We live in a nation of hypocrites.

[Rex Ferine]

107. We must carry the war into every corner

the enemy happens to carry it: to his home, to his centers of entertainment; a total war. It is necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be, make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move.